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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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The cost is not the problem, nor is a lack of food.  Its the cultural, economic and political institutions they have (or dont have) that is the problem.



Sure, its "their" fault and we are standing by helpless while "they" destroy themselves. Dream on.


Actually, DieCommie is right.  Poverty in the Third World, and particularly Africa, is due to structural problems.  However, many of those structural problems are legacies of colonialism and the slave trade.  Colonial powers had actively fought the kind of local crafts production that had led to industrialization in their own countries, and shifted their agriculture away from subsistence farming and toward export-oriented cash crops.

This might be okay if the benefits of these exports had been distributed among the population, but due to colonial patterns of land ownership, thus concentrating the country's wealth into the hands of a small elite.  Make no mistake about it:  These countries already have the wealth needed to end poverty within their borders, but their society is so stratified that the disparity in the wealth between rich and poor is much greater than in our own society.  So I would suggest that it is not blaming the victim to suggest these countries have some hand in perpetuating poverty, because the poor in those countries are the victims.  But they are victims of the elites in their own country as much as the Western elites with whom those people are allied.

But more recently, the current perpetuators of colonialism are the IMF and World Bank, who trapped several of these countries into debt in the 1970's and have since used that leverage to promote an economic ideology which has not led to development, but has been enormously beneficial to Wall Street.

So, I would question why you think it is just a matter of money, when in fact the observation that structural problems have created this poverty is precisely what we need in order to really solve these problems.  In fact, the notion that they're poor because we're just not sending enough money reinforces the idea that poverty is their own fault.  It is precisely poverty is caused and perpetuated by certain institutions that such poor people are victims, and it is also the reason why solving poverty will have to involve reforming those institutions, rather than just throwing money at the problem.

And now these seems like a good opportunity to plug an upcoming documentary:



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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Envix]
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crazyboy25 said:
I'm not denying something roughly around those lines happened but the idea that native people are in harmony with the earth and wise because they are one with nature is silly. There has been this revival of new age medicine and spirituality based on "native traditions." The fact is many native cultures are as fucked up as western ones.



to some degree it was accurate but lets not forget how the native
americans were not necessarily the mayans or azteks but another group of
nations that were not the same, lets also not forget that those some of
those indians were cannibals, many others owned slaves, they'd even use
those slaves to ambush their enemies, here's no point in beating around
the bush, humans are fucked up

Envix said:
western culture is the anti-culture.

it's like calling atheism a religion.



atheism is a religion


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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The UN has estimated that it would cost around $0.03 trillion annually for the next three to five years to solve world hunger. (from 2008)



too bad the UN doesnt know how to teach them to manage themselves, they
sent grain for planting but they ate it, the UN didnt plan for food
shipments to actually make it to the destination, they instead let the
food rot or be seized by warlords, if the US wants to solve world hunger
they need to arm these people so they can fight back against those
oppressors instead of building barges they cant float up a river because
they didnt get permission

maybe the UN should STFU and GTFO, it's obvious that they're impotent


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Western culture is a cancer upon the world.


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The fact is many native cultures are as fucked up as western ones.



No. Not a single one comes even close. Western culture is ripping into worldwide specied diversity like an extinction level event. 1/4 of all SPECIES in ANY biotope ANYWHERE on earth his been driven extinct by western culture. It is a scourge upon the earth. And does it make the privileged few happy? hell no it floods them with fears and worries and desires that can never be fulfilled - it feeds on human anguish on all levels and exploits living resources void of conscience.



Emotive nonsense, stop blaming your own fears, anxieties and such on western culture. As for species going extinct, its natural and happens everyday and has done since the birth of life on this planet. What can be said for western culture in this regard however is that without it many species would have died out a long time ago like those dumb pandas for instance.

Human beings exploit nature, yes, but that is a very good thing, we have raised ourselves out of the dark ages to enjoy an unprecedented quality of life by doing it. You enjoy the benefits, we all do, so quit whining about how bad 'western culture' is. If it was really as bad as you say you would have gone and lived with the savages in the jungle a long time ago. Western culture is much better than any savage culture you can name.




This has nothing to do with "white people". People are people, werever you go. White people is where the cancer took hold and spread through their wooden ships. People all over the world are ripping each other to shreds with Western Culture, regardless of race. Western culture is no longer a white thing - the whole human species is infested.


Another load of emotive nonsense. Please, next time you wanna shit all over western culture for no reason, check your premises and recognise just how much you depend on the genius of the products of western culture each day to sustain your self-hating existence.

Edited by RationalEgo (10/19/09 09:26 PM)

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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: RationalEgo]
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DieCommie, Silversoul, Prisoner#1 and RationalEgo all agreeing on something !?

What forum am I on?  :tongue:

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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
DieCommie, Silversoul, Prisoner#1 and RationalEgo all agreeing on something !?

What forum am I on?  :tongue:


In my defense, I'm agreeing for different reasons.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Silversoul]
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I dont think you are.

Ahh, there it is, thats what Im used to.  :tongue:

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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: RationalEgo]
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What is "white culture" anyways? People with white skin? Does this include albinos? There are tons of different "white" cultures. Norse, Irish, English, Russian, Serbian, Danish, etc. It's not even logical to say "white culture" exists. Not all people with white skin believe in the same things, think a certain way, or discriminate in a certain way. It's just as bad as grouping all black people as one stereotype and all middle easterners as another.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Dynoo]
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Dynoo said:
What is "white culture" anyways? People with white skin? Does this include albinos? There are tons of different "white" cultures. Norse, Irish, English, Russian, Serbian, Danish, etc. It's not even logical to say "white culture" exists. Not all people with white skin believe in the same things, think a certain way, or discriminate in a certain way. It's just as bad as grouping all black people as one stereotype and all middle easterners as another.


Agreed.

I wish people would get over this defining on the basis of skin color thing. It's getting old and tiresome.

GROW UP HUMANITY. RACE AND COLOR OF SKIN IS NOT IMPORTANT.

There, I said it.

Edited by RationalEgo (10/19/09 09:47 PM)

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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
DieCommie, Silversoul, Prisoner#1 and RationalEgo all agreeing on something !?

What forum am I on?  :tongue:



2012 is coming sooner than you think


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
DieCommie said:
DieCommie, Silversoul, Prisoner#1 and RationalEgo all agreeing on something !?

What forum am I on?  :tongue:


In my defense, I'm agreeing for different reasons.



to bring about the end of the world?


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Silversoul said:
DieCommie said:
DieCommie, Silversoul, Prisoner#1 and RationalEgo all agreeing on something !?

What forum am I on?  :tongue:


In my defense, I'm agreeing for different reasons.



to bring about the end of the world?


Nah.  We're doing a fine enough job of that already.

I was just observing that our main area of agreement is that we all disagree with Wiccan Seeker.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Silversoul]
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yeah i dunno i'm trying to live here and really don't care how i get there



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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Silversoul]
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Well maybe you can get around the campfire and sing Kumbaya together.

Necessity makes strange bedfellows.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
humans are fucked up




Ya, that about sums it up.  :chugbeer:


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
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i read the ops post but im not going to read the whole thread, at least not right now.

I think you have a narrow view to think theres a "white culture." For the most part i dont consider myself white, i call myself "brown" and because im hispanic, and "white looking" and people dont always see me that way, i identify as hispanic as part of my CULTURE not my race.

people are misidentified and pass all the time. race is basically simply physical, and caucasians are not always white (people from india are caucasians but brown)and asians are often dark skinned.

We are primates, Chimpanzees live in trees in the shade. Their skin is white to allow needed sun for vitamins to get in. Gorillas live out in the open and are black. Does that mean chimps are white people and gorillas are black people? no, its just that its adaptation. this goes for all primates. its fairly simple really.

you may do better to realize that adaption and who someones parents are dictate skin color, and skin color is simply something that makes a difference how you live. it may explain why "white people" like to live in the suburbs.

White is not an ethnic background. All white persons should be proud of whatever culture they come from, as all people should be. I think thats whats hurting people, is whites in america have a hard time not feeling guilty about what their culture is, and every country of origin to include germans (we werent perfect and just because all that nazi stuff happened, its not like we didnt have our issues and still do) and should be proud of those facts, and what is good about their cultures, and not worry about "White" etc.

The Sami people are white indigenous people. go look them up, like all "noble savages" they will look to you like a white person dressed in a more appropriate manner than perhaps an american indian would.

on youtube, and excerpts from the book are all i have read of "they where white and they where slaves" but its a realistic look by a controversial author, but hes not a nazi sympathizer or a bigot in any way, more of a pragmatic person, who is a realist.

i fight with my dad on this matter, because hes a retard about it, but it talks about how blacks werent really the only slaves, and issues about how the civil war wasnt fought over slavery, or even that it was the biggest issue. it was about states rights, but he sayd "and that was the biggest issue"

i call it the myth of black slavery. its not that it didnt happen, it just blinds us to the fact of what was wrong in america in those times and that throughout history slavery, an abomination on humanity knows no bounds, and although sometimes race was in issue (read, excuse) and something as terrible and evil as slavery anything goes really.


i like this thread, dont feel im being overly critical.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
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everyone should be proud of their race/heritage, yes including white americans even though we all know how taboo that is:rolleyes: 

white american = of european descent

im proud of my race and i think you should be proud of yours too:thumbup:


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
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johnnyblaze2316 said:
everyone should be proud of their race/heritage, yes including white americans even though we all know how taboo that is:rolleyes: 

white american = of european descent

im proud of my race and i think you should be proud of yours too:thumbup:




im going to be blunt, you are totally wrong here.

whites are not all from europe, besides that theres tons of subraces.

be proud of your heritage and culture, not of your race. how can you be proud of something your where born into and have no control over?

there is no pure blooded race, anywhere, and race is simply a more or less artificial construct based solely on physical characteristics and how people look.

simply put their is no white culture.

this doesnt simply apply to white people either. hispanic is not a race but a culture and has more cultures within it. i hate the fact that americans dont realize that south and central america is not "mexico" and each has its own unique culture and is as much a melting pot as anywhere else.

black people should be proud of their continent of origin as having had many cultures in ancient times and not that they are "black." thats another issue, is Africa may have some problems in some regions but portraying it as some slum is simply wrong.

europe has many countries within it too. it isnt about race, its about culture.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Well maybe you can get around the campfire and sing Kumbaya together.

Necessity makes strange bedfellows.



silversoul and I have already done so, we put our differences aside for just such an event


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
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Cannabischarlie said:


this doesnt simply apply to white people either. hispanic is not a race but a culture and has more cultures within it. i hate the fact that americans dont realize that south and central america is not "mexico" and each has its own unique culture and is as much a melting pot as anywhere else.



Mexico isn't even in south america :lol:


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