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Offlinecrazyboy25
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White people hating their own culture?
    #11278576 - 10/19/09 06:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I have noticed a lot of white people who have a sort of anti-western mindset, most don't outright state it but when they talk about western civilization as a whole they refer to it as "The White Man." For example the short version of American colonization which I have heard is as follows:

"The white man came and massacred the natives and tried to enslave the ones that survived, the ones that weren't enslaved or brutally killed and raped were infected with smallpox. Then the few remaining native Americans were shipped off to tiny reservations where their culture was inevitable corrupted and polluted with the white culture"

I'm not denying something roughly around those lines happened but the idea that native people are in harmony with the earth and wise because they are one with nature is silly. There has been this revival of new age medicine and spirituality based on "native traditions." The fact is many native cultures are as fucked up as western ones.

When we think of the African slave trade we think of white men on ships coming and capturing the poor black natives and shipping them away. In reality white traders captured almost no slaves, the black natives went on raiding parties and enslaved other tribes, and they had been doing that for hundreds of years before white traders were there.

There has been talk about native cultures in central America and how they are peaceful and in tune with nature etc. The reality is their ancestors the Mayans and Aztecs routinely massacred whole populations, especially the Aztecs who were notorious for capturing villages then sacrificing them to the sun god.

Sorry if that was too long a read I just needed to rant about this strange and uniquely western socio-masochism.

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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #11278613 - 10/19/09 06:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I have noticed a lot of white people who have a sort of anti-western mindset, most don't outright state it but when they talk about western civilization as a whole they refer to it as "The White Man." For example the short version of American colonization which I have heard is as follows:

"The white man came and massacred the natives and tried to enslave the ones that survived, the ones that weren't enslaved or brutally killed and raped were infected with smallpox. Then the few remaining native Americans were shipped off to tiny reservations where their culture was inevitable corrupted and polluted with the white culture"

I'm not denying something roughly around those lines happened but the idea that native people are in harmony with the earth and wise because they are one with nature is silly. There has been this revival of new age medicine and spirituality based on "native traditions." The fact is many native cultures are as fucked up as western ones.

When we think of the African slave trade we think of white men on ships coming and capturing the poor black natives and shipping them away. In reality white traders captured almost no slaves, the black natives went on raiding parties and enslaved other tribes, and they had been doing that for hundreds of years before white traders were there.

There has been talk about native cultures in central America and how they are peaceful and in tune with nature etc. The reality is their ancestors the Mayans and Aztecs routinely massacred whole populations, especially the Aztecs who were notorious for capturing villages then sacrificing them to the sun god.

Sorry if that was too long a read I just needed to rant about this strange and uniquely western socio-masochism.

Thoughts?




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Too many unrelated topics, with a terribly ethnocentric viewpoint.

While Western Civilization has done many good things, the US wouldn't be half of what it was without the stealing of land from natives, and the uncompensated work of those enslaved.

Ethnic pride is stupid on many levels, especially coming from WASPs


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #11278619 - 10/19/09 06:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

So because native Americans and Africans were not ideal societies, that someone justifies the actions taken against them?

Just because others fuck up doesn't make our fuck ups any less terrible.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: Redstorm]
    #11278642 - 10/19/09 06:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i agree with you OP, i hate white culture though, just not for those reasons.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11278675 - 10/19/09 07:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Ethnic pride is stupid on many levels, especially coming from WASPs




I don't have ethnic pride I was puzzling over ethnic self hate. And I'm of Russian and Polish descent and I am Jewish though I don't believe in god so your comment about me being a WASP is only right about the white part.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #11278689 - 10/19/09 07:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I only assumed WASP due to the white label.

I'm not sure of many if any whites that have ethnic self hate.
And your atheism has no relevance in this conversation.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11278767 - 10/19/09 07:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I only assumed WASP due to the white label.

I'm not sure of many if any whites that have ethnic self hate.
And your atheism has no relevance in this conversation.




Well next time say what you mean, WASP is a an acronym for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant not a synonym for white person.

I only mentioned my atheism as a side note when addressing your unfounded accusation that I was a protestant.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11278769 - 10/19/09 07:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

the p in wasp stands for protestant.

edit: i was too slow..


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #11278791 - 10/19/09 07:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

The Anti-Western culture position is about the stupidest most primitive stance one can take on sociological issues. The West has produced the best cultures in the history of man kind. Put that in your pipes and smoke it all you primitive culture loving hippies. Go backwards in development and live in your huts and your caves. Just don't bother me anymore with your political and philosophical posturing. Its absurd.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #11278798 - 10/19/09 07:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

What does "white" even mean any more? It's such a vague label.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11278808 - 10/19/09 07:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I think "White culture" is a stupid way of saying whatever the dominant culture is in western countries.

It doesn't really mean anything.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11278824 - 10/19/09 07:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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The Anti-Western culture position is about the stupidest most primitive stance one can take on sociological issues. The West has produced the best cultures in the history of man kind. Put that in your pipes and smoke it all you primitive culture loving hippies. Go backwards in development and live in your huts and your caves. Just don't bother me anymore with your political and philosophical posturing. Its absurd.




Its merely a form of society, not better not worse.

I'm not a primitive culture loving hippie, I just acknowledge those who came before. Collective knowledge is a wonderful thing, but you seem to over look the trials of those who came before, that is simply absurd.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #11278831 - 10/19/09 07:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

this is a spin-off of my thread earlier.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11277184/page/1


Western Civilization is stupid because of the bullshit trend setting ideas placed all around us. America is full of gun-toting assholes, gangster wannabees, conceited sluts from the age of 12, and horrible educational systems(in my opinion). This placed was claimed to be "discovered" by Amerigo Vespucci or Columbus, or whoever the fuck, but in fact we just came here and fucked it up. I am not saying we shouldn't be here, but I am saying that we should have came here with better interests. I feel almost ashamed to be an American.


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11278835 - 10/19/09 07:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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The Anti-Western culture position is about the stupidest most primitive stance one can take on sociological issues. The West has produced the best cultures in the history of man kind. Put that in your pipes and smoke it all you primitive culture loving hippies. Go backwards in development and live in your huts and your caves. Just don't bother me anymore with your political and philosophical posturing. Its absurd.




Its merely a form of society, not better not worse.

I'm not a primitive culture loving hippie, I just acknowledge those who came before. Collective knowledge is a wonderful thing, but you seem to over look the trials of those who came before, that is simply absurd.




I don't accept the notion that all cultures are equal. I would not like to live in Africa for instance.

Those who came before? Like who? I acknowledge the Founding Fathers but I certainly don't acknowledge any contributions Native Americans made simply becuase, well, they didn't make any significant ones that effect the quality of my life at all. Go figure. :shrug:


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: desiretoheal]
    #11278836 - 10/19/09 07:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Have you spent much time in any other countries?


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: desiretoheal]
    #11278843 - 10/19/09 07:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You know that western civilization is not exclusively the United States right?


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11278856 - 10/19/09 07:32 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
The Anti-Western culture position is about the stupidest most primitive stance one can take on sociological issues. The West has produced the best cultures in the history of man kind. Put that in your pipes and smoke it all you primitive culture loving hippies. Go backwards in development and live in your huts and your caves. Just don't bother me anymore with your political and philosophical posturing. Its absurd.




Its merely a form of society, not better not worse.

I'm not a primitive culture loving hippie, I just acknowledge those who came before. Collective knowledge is a wonderful thing, but you seem to over look the trials of those who came before, that is simply absurd.




Those who came before? Like who? I acknowledge the Founding Fathers but I certainly don't acknowledge any contributions Native Americans made simply becuase, well, they didn't make any significant ones that effect the quality of my life at all. Go figure. :shrug:



How about the thousands of years they spent domesticating local edible plants?


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11278866 - 10/19/09 07:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RationalEgo said:
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RationalEgo said:
The Anti-Western culture position is about the stupidest most primitive stance one can take on sociological issues. The West has produced the best cultures in the history of man kind. Put that in your pipes and smoke it all you primitive culture loving hippies. Go backwards in development and live in your huts and your caves. Just don't bother me anymore with your political and philosophical posturing. Its absurd.




Its merely a form of society, not better not worse.

I'm not a primitive culture loving hippie, I just acknowledge those who came before. Collective knowledge is a wonderful thing, but you seem to over look the trials of those who came before, that is simply absurd.




Those who came before? Like who? I acknowledge the Founding Fathers but I certainly don't acknowledge any contributions Native Americans made simply becuase, well, they didn't make any significant ones that effect the quality of my life at all. Go figure. :shrug:



How about the thousands of years they spent domesticating local edible plants?




:what:

Was that meant to be a joke?


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11278871 - 10/19/09 07:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Corn is not joke sir. :sherlock:


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Re: White people hating their own culture? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #11278873 - 10/19/09 07:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

First of all, White people is an ignorant form of saying Caucasians. The term Caucasian itself is idiotic. It is a racist way of grouping people based on the color of their skin. Foolish if you ask me.

But most European-Americans lack culture because of assimilation. Generations of living in a foreign land caused them to drop their identity. Most Whites in America can't even trace their ancestry past the initial immigration into the U.S.


That's truly sad if you ask me because culture is a vital structure of one's life. It is the backbone of their ethics, morality, and self-identity.


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