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You should check out the documentary "New Swirled Order" on YouTube.

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There is absolutely no reason to believe that extraterrestrials are the creators of crop-circles.

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The only real evidence in place that should lead us to any conclusions at all is the fact that the circles appear in such a short window of time, and the overwhelming intricacy of the majority of the designs, designs which would sometimes require the skill of a good mathematician.

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Hesemann writes about the finding, and the later analysis. What were found were three plates: a bronze, silver and one gold plate, the bronze and silver now in the hands of an industrialist. They were shown at his internationally UFO conference, "Dialogue with the Universe", in Dusseldorf, Germany in October, 1992 and used again when he filmed a piece on the Grasdorf case for the US-TV programme, "Encounters" in April, 1994. In addition, the Tugingen lawyer, Dr Roemer-Blum, arranged a scientific evaluation at the German Federal Institute for Material Research (Bundesanstalt fur Materialpufung) in Berlin. Their conclusion, after carefully analyzing both plates was:

"Plate one (silver color) consisted mainly of quite pure silver (what an understatement!), with an additional ingredient accounting for less than 0.1%. The weight of the plate was 4.98kg (11lbs). Plate two (bronze color) consisted of a copper-tin alloy (of which the tin content amounted to 10%-15%), nickel and traces of iron amounting to less than 0.1%".


This meant that the silver plate consisted of 99.9% pure silver, purer than sterling-silver. Furthermore, a spectrographic analysis of both plates proved that they had not been made from a cast but from some kind of conglomerate of silver nuggets and natural copper and tin pieces of the type found in Germany’s Harz forest, not far from Grasdorf. They had been produced, either by heating up to a degree that partially melted the metals - or in a low-gravity environment. We are left with the question of what hoaxer would go to such expensive lengths, in terms of cost and effort, simply to pull the wool over the eyes of the press and a few crop circle enthusiasts?"

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Sure, there is every possibility that these things could be messages from E.T. or some advanced race beyond our senses, but why worry about such trivial details?

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If these are in fact messages, or if they are trying to tell us something, then why would we look further than the designs themselves?

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There is absolutely no reason to believe that extraterrestrials are the creators of crop-circles.

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Thats up to the individual to decide based on their research and experiences.

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That is called an assumption, and assumptions and beliefs are far different than truth. The fact remains that there is no hard evidence that links these two together, and no person capable of critical thinking would make such an assumption.

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The only real evidence in place that should lead us to any conclusions at all is the fact that the circles appear in such a short window of time, and the overwhelming intricacy of the majority of the designs, designs which would sometimes require the skill of a good mathematician.

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Dont forget about the electromagnectic energy that has been measured and documented in some of the circles.  Or the blown nodes that could only have been caused by an extremely powerful electromagnetic force.

or this.

http://mmmgroup.altervista.org/e-platesincrop.html

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Hesemann writes about the finding, and the later analysis. What were found were three plates: a bronze, silver and one gold plate, the bronze and silver now in the hands of an industrialist. They were shown at his internationally UFO conference, "Dialogue with the Universe", in Dusseldorf, Germany in October, 1992 and used again when he filmed a piece on the Grasdorf case for the US-TV programme, "Encounters" in April, 1994. In addition, the Tugingen lawyer, Dr Roemer-Blum, arranged a scientific evaluation at the German Federal Institute for Material Research (Bundesanstalt fur Materialpufung) in Berlin. Their conclusion, after carefully analyzing both plates was:

"Plate one (silver color) consisted mainly of quite pure silver (what an understatement!), with an additional ingredient accounting for less than 0.1%. The weight of the plate was 4.98kg (11lbs). Plate two (bronze color) consisted of a copper-tin alloy (of which the tin content amounted to 10%-15%), nickel and traces of iron amounting to less than 0.1%".


This meant that the silver plate consisted of 99.9% pure silver, purer than sterling-silver. Furthermore, a spectrographic analysis of both plates proved that they had not been made from a cast but from some kind of conglomerate of silver nuggets and natural copper and tin pieces of the type found in Germany�s Harz forest, not far from Grasdorf. They had been produced, either by heating up to a degree that partially melted the metals - or in a low-gravity environment. We are left with the question of what hoaxer would go to such expensive lengths, in terms of cost and effort, simply to pull the wool over the eyes of the press and a few crop circle enthusiasts?"

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There is absolutely no evidence for any of that, nor are there any sources on that website. No proof at all.

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Sure, there is every possibility that these things could be messages from E.T. or some advanced race beyond our senses, but why worry about such trivial details?

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The true creators identity is a TRIVIAL detail?  Cant say I agree with you on that one.

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You dont have to, as what is trivial to one person may be important to the next. Just my opinion

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If these are in fact messages, or if they are trying to tell us something, then why would we look further than the designs themselves?

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Because it is part of our human nature to be curious.

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Its good to be curious, but my point is that too many people consider these formations to be an affirmation that there are aliens in our presence, when there is no evidence for it.

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and the reason I did not put my word in was because my opinion had already been stated

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Actually, no, you havent.  You have only made two posts in this particular thread, both of which had nothing to do with crop circles or aliens.  As a matter of fact, those are the first two posts youve made in M&P in at least the last 2 weeks.

Unless you were signed in under a different username,  you are dead wrong.

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That is called an assumption, and assumptions and beliefs are far different than truth

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The only real evidence in place that should lead us to any conclusions at all is the fact that the circles appear in such a short window of time, and the overwhelming intricacy of the majority of the designs, designs which would sometimes require the skill of a good mathematician.

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The fact remains that there is no hard evidence that links these two together

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There is absolutely no evidence for any of that, nor are there any sources on that website. No proof at all.

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Its good to be curious, but my point is that too many people consider these formations to be an affirmation that there are aliens in our presence, when there is no evidence for it. 

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Tranquil Toad said:

This latest one seems to indicate that the whole thing is about H.G wells, as you can see a few of the walkers from war of the worlds.

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Tranquil Toad said:

This latest one seems to indicate that the whole thing is about H.G wells, as you can see a few of the walkers from war of the worlds.

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Spiralout112 said:

This article talks about a whistle blower from the pentagon that says google is even in contact with ET's. Now wouldnt that be something.

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page9199192.php

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