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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: MAIA]
#4972318 - 11/23/05 12:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Catalysis, thanks for sharing, cool info
No problem. It looks like this story is making it into mainstream press today with an AP article on it.
I will reserve judgement for the time being but I have to admit it looks a bit fishy with no one being allowed close to him and supposedly they draw a curtain at night. However, I do think it is possible to go extended periods of time without food or water while meditating, probably longer than you would with normal metabolic activity.
I think it will be very interesting to see how this story plays out and if the child returns enlightened.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Catalysis]
#4972469 - 11/23/05 01:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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i certainly think its possible to go long periods without food while meditating, but without water for 6 months? that sounds like a stretch to me. if this were true wouldn't it fly in the face of medical science?
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Deviate]
#4972545 - 11/23/05 02:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gee, yeah it would, but this is magick.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Catalysis]
#4972864 - 11/23/05 03:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that this is amazing, I too am skeptical, but I think that there is something very special about the times that we are living in.
The Sanhedrin in Israel has been re-established, the sacred white buffalo of Hopi lore has returned, end times talk is rampant, the weather is obviously becoming erratic, earthquakes that change the rotation of the earth...and now this...
Sometimes I wonder...
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Prajna]
#4972881 - 11/23/05 03:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I wonder is what makes people think things are especially amazing right now. It's always amazing from my search of history. Lots going on that points to immanent change and change is a constant. I think it has something to do with the egos desire to see itself and the time it inhabits as of special significance.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Icelander]
#4972974 - 11/23/05 04:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Perhaps...
Time will tell I guess...
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Prajna]
#4973106 - 11/23/05 04:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, perhaps. Nice avatar by the way.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Icelander]
#4973452 - 11/23/05 06:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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We are always in a time of change...it is just that in this particular "time" period of the physical world, we will be seeing many more changes as the powers are constantly battling for control. I can feel the message, just as I know others can. Gaining power, growing, growing, until peace is found.
Not eating for a certain amount of days is no "trick", and it's certainly possible. Once you reach a certain level of understanding, such things are no longer necessary. The true light shines from within, breathing life into all who behold it. "Biology" or human science cannot attempt to fathom that which exists outside of its own laws of understanding.
Truth is infinite, growing, undeniable love and understanding. Once you know truth, you need nothing in the physical world for fulfillment. Once you know truth, you lose your physical appetite, as physical satisfaction has no purpose. Once you know truth, you will know love, you will know your true being, and you will express this love and truth in all that you do. Know truth in your heart, and deny your ego's uncertainty.
btw, icelander, that tree/spring/mountain area sounds awesome...sometime not far off i will be going west, and should like to find such a place for my own fasting and meditation.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: heavensgate]
#4973646 - 11/23/05 07:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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It seems that the "powers" have always been battling for control. In the 70s I thought I "felt" the message, but alas nothing came to pass except for a lot of "hippies" going materialistic and conservative. We had another little dark age. 
Now as to not eating and drinking for periods of time that medical science would consider impossible; I have heard about it but never seen it substantiated. Do you know this because you can do this yourself?
The place up above Seattle is called Goldmire or Goldmere Hot Springs, if memory serves.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Icelander]
#4973819 - 11/23/05 07:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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heh...the 60s was a great time ("i" wasn't alive during that time period physically) for spiritual awareness...but yes, the powers of uncertainty and temptation led to the downfall of the movement at that time...just a small "wave" of energy passing through. but now is the time of a much larger arising, which will be felt soon by almost everyone in some way...if it is not "felt" it will be seen of course, though most people are too deluded to recognize the message of truth.
If you want to know "why" the 60s movement died out, it is just because it was a passing movement of energy...but here on earth, this passing manifested in many ways. They were close to grasping the truth, but the powers of the physical lured most of them back...the "movement leaders" died (hendrix, morrison, joplin, lennon) from this power, along with the spirits of the followers.
Every cause has an effect with the two powers...vietnam war & government lying -> 60s peace/consciousness movement. Right now there is a lot of fear breeding hate and ignorance everywhere, and soon this will all come to light. This is when the 2 sides will truly be separate and "consciously" fighting a spiritual war. Ever since the 60s, we have been moving down the path of uncertainty and fear, and this will not stand for much longer.
If you research what the government was doing at that time, you can see these powers in action...the CIA bringing hard drugs into the US, which cause physical attachment and spiritual destruction. It was around 1969 (what a coincidence) that fluoride was put into our water supplies all over the country...recent studies are now showing how harmful this is, but we have all been poisoned by it for years, and it is leading to many physical problems as well such as puberty starting much too soon. Fluoride was a poison that was originally used for the manhattan project, the atomic bomb...and ended up in the most pure physical thing on this earth: our sacred drinking water. It is no accident that fluoride mainly poisons and targets the pineal gland of the brain (studies show that fluoride accumulates in the pineal gland in larger quantities than any other part of the body...and this shit stays there for life), destroying the "third eye" which connects us to the spiritual world. Plus the advent of technology, video games, etc. just more physical attachment. Although technology is the work of the opposing force, it of course has brought about good things too...the availability of so much information...which will bite them in the ass down the road once people know what has been and is going on. With technology though, we are just furthering our spiritual "devolution" by constructing another layer of existence in the "virtual world", etc. Anyway, I could go on for several books worth of information talking about political forces, but it truly doesn't matter. Those in power in the physical world are all just being controlled by much greater forces.
It is possible for anyone to survive for months or years without eating or sleeping, if they can tap into the power which is truth and love, holding it within themselves to sustain life. Scientifically, I'm not sure how this occurs, but I think it's possible that the "third eye" can be "opened" to the point where you are receiving so much energy from the spiritual world, that this spiritual energy is actually converted into physical matter in the body, sustaining life...basically like photosynthesis. Science really knows very little about how the brain works, and very little about the pineal gland...really, science proves nothing, other than to cloud people's spirits.
Personally, yes, i can say that i have "lost my appetite" physically. A level of understanding can easily be reached by anyone to where this will occur. But let me tell you...back when i was still very attached to the physical world, i would actually eat several (5-6) large meals per day because i loved food and was into bodybuilding and building up my ego. At this time, if i didn't eat at least every couple of hours, i would just get really hungry. The more the ego is built up, the more it craves. This was not too long ago that i was like this. But since then, many things have changed...
Someone who is at a high level of spiritual understanding with very little physical attachment can be sustained from energy alone. Sleep and food are definitely not needed for these people, possibly not even water, though it is foolish to not drink water anyway, as it cleanses the spirit (pure water that is, without poison like fluoride in it).
But yea, if you were at a certain level, there would be no doubt in your mind...and when there is no doubt, anything is truly possible. We are only governed by the laws which we choose to believe. "The truth shall set you free" Free from all laws and restrictions we have put upon ourselves.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: heavensgate]
#4973927 - 11/23/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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science proves nothing, other than to cloud people's spirits.
While I think this happens all the time, I don't think you can blame it on science. I think science is a wonderful tool and it has never (I suspect) clouded my spirit. I see where it works and is useful and where it isn't and I don't think I confuse the two.
So how long exactly have you gone without eating?
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Icelander]
#4974203 - 11/23/05 09:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: While I think this happens all the time, I don't think you can blame it on science. I think science is a wonderful tool and it has never (I suspect) clouded my spirit. I see where it works and is useful and where it isn't and I don't think I confuse the two.
I'm not trying to place blame on anyone or anything...I'm just stating what is. Everything that takes place has been set in motion forever, and will take place because it was meant to. Science really is a product of the "opposing force"...doubt and uncertainty. Of course it arises from the desire for knowledge. This does not mean that science is "bad", but spending too much time thinking or using physical laws to explain something is pointless. Science can still be useful in a way for those who live by its laws though, useful in a way that will turn them towards the light. There is good and bad in everything, truth and doubt...light and darkness.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: heavensgate]
#4975125 - 11/24/05 01:00 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: While I think this happens all the time, I don't think you can blame it on science. I think science is a wonderful tool and it has never (I suspect) clouded my spirit. I see where it works and is useful and where it isn't and I don't think I confuse the two.
I'm not trying to place blame on anyone or anything...I'm just stating what is. Everything that takes place has been set in motion forever, and will take place because it was meant to. Science really is a product of the "opposing force"...doubt and uncertainty. Of course it arises from the desire for knowledge. This does not mean that science is "bad", but spending too much time thinking or using physical laws to explain something is pointless. Science can still be useful in a way for those who live by its laws though, useful in a way that will turn them towards the light. There is good and bad in everything, truth and doubt...light and darkness.
Duality only exists due to mans inability to grasp being. Nothing is permanantly set in motion. Fate, destiny, and karma, are abstract yet somewhat personified concepts of a higher power bearing force and will upon you.
Good and bad dont really exist. Light and darkness are merely a metaphor.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4975350 - 11/24/05 05:38 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said: Duality only exists due to mans inability to grasp being. Nothing is permanantly set in motion. Fate, destiny, and karma, are abstract yet somewhat personified concepts of a higher power bearing force and will upon you.
Good and bad dont really exist. Light and darkness are merely a metaphor.
They do only exist out of one true power within the universe, which is incomprehensible to most people unless it is experienced directly...realizing the "knowledge of good and evil" though, one finds light as truth, and can readily dismiss a deception. I understand what you are trying to say, and how you are trying to describe something which cannot be put into words...the other "powers" are present by accident in an imperfect translation of one perfect energy. These arise from what is fake within us, from uncertainty, from foolishness...because the true message is infallible at the source, the point to which we are all being pulled.
We are perfect forms of energy, collectively...imperfect and flawed by nature and identity. While these different forces are simply illusions, this is why they must be recognized and defeated. They come out of the original force, but are not true products of truth...it is impossible to explain any such things with human words, but this is about as close as i can get right now...and no matter how well any spirit recognizes this is due to their own choice...truth or deception.
This is why i say, i do not attempt to speak truth, as that is impossible for a human to do. All i can do is attempt to translate this truth into concepts that our human minds may understand...though the message is lost in the process, the true message lies within. This is the most powerful message, far greater than any rationalized concepts which attempt to describe a multi-faceted, infinitely powerful entity and force.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Prajna]
#4976912 - 11/24/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prajna said: I think that this is amazing, I too am skeptical, but I think that there is something very special about the times that we are living in.
The Sanhedrin in Israel has been re-established, the sacred white buffalo of Hopi lore has returned, end times talk is rampant, the weather is obviously becoming erratic, earthquakes that change the rotation of the earth...and now this...
Sometimes I wonder...
You left out human cloning, genetic engineering, oil wars/peak oil, steadily increasing solar activity, 30% of the Amazon rainforest left, exponential growth in human population, and a vast plethora of seemingly unrelated and yet very crucial current events. But ya.
Human evolution is reaching critical mass for this level. It's evolve and move on to the next lesson, or stagnate and be destroyed in our own filth and ignorance.
As far as this boy is concerned.. let him meditate by the tree. He's not harming anyone. Who cares if he is buddha reincarnate or not. And these people flocking to see him and the others exploiting his presence are sick. They need to meditate by a tree too.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Icelander]
#4977458 - 11/24/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: What I wonder is what makes people think things are especially amazing right now. It's always amazing from my search of history. Lots going on that points to immanent change and change is a constant. I think it has something to do with the egos desire to see itself and the time it inhabits as of special significance.
and maybe your ego is here to teach us that we're nothing special in these end times.....
i do agree with what you're saying...
but don't under estimate your own ego or time for that matter.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Shroomism]
#4977725 - 11/24/05 08:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prajna said: I think that this is amazing, I too am skeptical, but I think that there is something very special about the times that we are living in.
The Sanhedrin in Israel has been re-established, the sacred white buffalo of Hopi lore has returned, end times talk is rampant, the weather is obviously becoming erratic, earthquakes that change the rotation of the earth...and now this...
Sometimes I wonder...
You left out human cloning, genetic engineering, oil wars/peak oil, steadily increasing solar activity, 30% of the Amazon rainforest left, exponential growth in human population, and a vast plethora of seemingly unrelated and yet very crucial current events. But ya.
Human evolution is reaching critical mass for this level. It's evolve and move on to the next lesson, or stagnate and be destroyed in our own filth and ignorance.
As far as this boy is concerned.. let him meditate by the tree. He's not harming anyone. Who cares if he is buddha reincarnate or not. And these people flocking to see him and the others exploiting his presence are sick. They need to meditate by a tree too.
lol...good post...
I did leave all those things out!
I have nothing at all to add as to whether or not he is/isn't Buddha, or if the world is at a turning point, although I think it may be...but I definitely agree that we need to evolve...
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: Shroomism]
#4978335 - 11/24/05 11:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am a little confused by all this talk of a need to evolve. are you talking about real evolution? From your post i take it that you consider cloning and genetic engineering bad things, yet these very technologies will allow us to evolve in the ways we need to. Or are you simply missusing the term to legitimise some abstract spiritual concept?
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: leery11]
#4979083 - 11/25/05 03:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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leery11 said: hmmm
the word rinpoche has been stuck in my head for some time, i picked it up off a buddhist forum maybe a month ago, but i thought it was someone's name......
ah I guess people do put it in their names, according to google.
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"Rinpoche" means "precious" and refers to someone who in their last life attained such a high degree of mastery that they did not have to take any more rebirths. However, out of their compassion for others, they took another birth at will - or rather took a human form - in order to teach others. Hence, they are "precious" because they returned to show us how to do it ourselves.
It's one of the lower bodhisattva levels. Many high lamas have the title rinpoche after their name.
I wish him all the best. Personally I believe it's rather soon for a new Buddha to appear, and you'd think that Maitreya (the bodhisattva who is prophesied to become the next Buddha) would have more taste than to blindly follow Shakyamuni's example, but then you never know. In the mean time it seems that his greatest blessings are falling on the local tourist industry.
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Re: 15-year-old new Buddha continues fasting [Re: psychomime]
#4979092 - 11/25/05 03:17 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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evolve Pronunciation Key (-vlv) v. e?volved, e?volv?ing, e?volves v. tr.
1. 1. To develop or achieve gradually: evolve a style of one's own. 2. To work (something) out; devise: ?the schemes he evolved to line his purse? (S.J. Perelman). 3 Biology. To develop (a characteristic) by evolutionary processes. 4 To give off; emit.
I'm talking about our evolution as a species. Cloning and genetic engineering CAN be bad things, if we don't have any sort of spiritual understanding of the implications of our actions.
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