Nunbuh_Chrubble said:

Haha! The loose change kids did NOT make a lot, if any money off of their films which have been distributed almost entirely for free.

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http://store.loosechange911.com/

http://store.loosechange911.co.uk/

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9/11 was definitely either orchestrated or allowed to happen by Western
intelligence agencies. If you want to read a VERY well researched book about the whole thing read "The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation and the Anatomy of Terrorism" by Nafeez Ahmed. It doesn't go into any nonsense about building demolitions or anything like that. He focuses on examining the history of Al-Qaeda as a creation, and strategic tool of the Pakistani ISI and the CIA. It's a very good critical analysis based on mainstream and alternative news reports over the past few decades, congressional documents, whistle-blower testimony, etc. All of his sources are cited. Very good stuff.

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Can't comment on something I never read, but I do know the U.S. has funded and supported Al-Qaeda through Pakistan on numerous occasions in the past Today's friend is tomorrow's enemy.

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After doing a LOT of research myself, I've come to the conclusion that focusing on the building demolitions is not the best thing to do. Rather, there is plenty of documented evidence in terms of whistle-blowers, money laundering investigations that got shut down because they got too close to clandestine operations, and all kinds of other stuff that is as far from fringe as possible.

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Don't get me wrong, I believe the buildings were blown up, but to harp on it as THE proof, and the End-All-Be-All of the 9/11 conspiracy is a waste of time. Most people have such strong psychological barriers to accepting the scale of the plot that they will never accept the idea of controlled demolitions, even if they were presented with all the best scientific analysis.

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The conspiracy is a waste of time. Some nutjobs drove planes in to our buildings. It's not a fucking conspiracy. The Government, their sources, all of these people, worked together to cause 9/11 right? I mean, hell, they even morphed voices through some sophisticated voice morphing technology to replicate the voices of callers from planes, right? I saw that in Loose Change 2: We're Serious, Gov't. Jesus. That's pretty deep shit.

Oh, and some college kids examined some old grainy news footage and set it to some scary music. Jesus christ, a threat! Well, I mean, our Government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, right? What's a few more? Oh, wait, they are still alive. Hmm. Pretty shitty evil Government if you ask me, I'd say Bond Villans are better to be honest.

I mean, they (perhaps it's wrong to say "The Government" and I should just assume it's everyone since 9/11 conspiracy theorists seem to think everyone was a part of it) planned and executed the perfect terrorist act, killed thousands of people, and got punked by some kids? Our Government can't even handle fucking medicare, I doubt they can handle that. Just a hunch though

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Quite frankly, most people are not capable (either not smart enough, or not educated enough) to make or understand sound, logical, scientific arguments. Most people don't know how to critique a source of information and decide how reliable it is. Human beings are irrational creatures that operate on a set of very effective, but ultimately flawed heuristics.

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I'm glad that the OP, as well as so many other people are waking up still. But speaking as somebody who's spent 2 years dedicated to spreading the gospel of 9/11 Truth, let me tell you this; "The Masses" will never wake up, and if they did, it wouldn't make much difference if it was not accompanied by action. If you want to fight the New World Order, then don't worry about convincing all the "sheeple" about "The Truth". Just take action to secure yourself and your loved ones. Stand firm and resolute in not cooperating with NWO impositions like vaccines, consumer culture, taxes, RFID, etc. Stop watching TV. Stop playing video games. Don't buy pharms or coke/heroine/opium. Buy locally, and invest your money outside of wall street and in your local community.

It is the decisions and actions of individuals that ultimately will bring the system to its knees because those are what is ultimately beyond their control.

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Yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Everything is so deep, there is always so much more.

No, there isn't. Some people flew some planes in to some buildings because we were stupid and lazy enough to let it happen.

Read me please.

Might want to skip this one, it's .gov and likely part of the conspiracy

Politicians can't even keep their mistresses silent for fucksake, let alone thousands of people who helped orchestrate THE LARGEST TERRORIST ATTACK AND SUBSEQUENT COVER-UP IN HUMAN HISTORY

Just fucking think about it.

youbreakyoubuy said:

awww....see, now your proving one conspiracy theory with another: the NWO.

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Proving?

I never tried to construct any kind of a proof. Maybe you should re-read my post.

Chespirito said:

dr_gonz said:

What's your take on it?

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I cant handle the clearly propagandist nature of it. 

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WakeboardrB said:

Why is it so hard to believe that a couple of people hijacked some airplanes and caused mass destruction?

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dr_gonz said:

Building 7?

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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:

gzuf >> I'm not really interested in debating you. I've heard all of your tired arguments plenty of times, and quite honestly I'm not worried about convincing anyone anymore. I know what I believe and I acknowledge uncertainty when it exists. The truth about 9/11 is that we don't know the truth about 9/11. But I myself have come to some pretty well informed conclusions. I don't have absolute proof, but it's hard to deny that something sketchy wasn't going on inside our intelligence community.

I agree that there is a lot of dumb shit out there (voice morphing, no-planes, space beams, etc). But a logical person, as you describe yourself, should be able to pick out the good info from the bad. If you want to follow a very interesting lead, look into Sibel Edmonds and all of the clandestine narco-trafficking/money-laundering/black-arms-market stuff that she blew the whistle on. Very legit stuff, not "conspiracy" stuff. I don't expect you to look into it. I don't really care if you do. But if you insist on keeping yourself informed you will look into the story of Sibel Edmonds.

Pop-Mech is a straw man argument, and the NIST FAQ is a total laugh.

And yes, they do SELL hard copies of Loose Change, but believe me, the people that make these films barely cover their costs because they get bootlegged so hardcore. I've personally handed out hundreds if not thousands of burned dvd's of various 9/11 Truth films. I'm pretty sure Dylan is still working in fast food.

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There is a lot of shit we don't know about. The Government, while I will never deny is corrupt and ridiculous and in need of a major change, sucks in a vast amount of ways, I cannot logically come to the conclusion that 9/11 is a giant Government "Gotcha!"

gzuf said:

dr_gonz said:

Building 7?

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Gremlins.

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There is a lot of shit we don't know about. The Government, while I will never deny is corrupt and ridiculous and in need of a major change, sucks in a vast amount of ways, I cannot logically come to the conclusion that 9/11 is a giant Government "Gotcha!"

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