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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509348 - 04/12/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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ok i admit a discrepency here, but you can read the FACTS of the matter yourself:

next time, do some research before you blindly contest something someone says.




:lol:

You make a glaring error and then accuse Redstorm of not doing any "research"!  It appears as if you are the one who did not do any research.

9/11 conspiracy theorists trot this crap out every week on this site.  They point to this defense analysis by "Project for the New American Century" (PNAC) as proof that the government planned or was complicit in the 9/11 plot.  In this report it says that a new Pearl Harbor could be a catalyst in bringing the country together.  Notice nowhere in the report does it suggest that this Pearl Harbor should be encouraged.  It merely makes an off-hand comment and recognizes that a bold and terrible attack perpetrated upon a people would rally them together.  Well duh...

This statement shows no proof of a conspiracy.  It was merely a statement of fact.

Next please....  Where are the tin foil hats when you need them?

Edited by RandalFlagg (04/12/06 06:42 PM)

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5509355 - 04/12/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

considering the subject of two of your points, thats a pretty lame excuse.


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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509363 - 04/12/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No, it's really not. You post a link that has been posted hundreds of times on this forum, then back it up with nonsense. Weak stuff.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5509369 - 04/12/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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You make a glaring error and then accuse Redstorm of not doing any "research"! It appears as if you are the one who did not do any research.





did you read the link? thats not exactly a glaring error.


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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509371 - 04/12/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No offense, but Redstorm would beat the hell out of you in a debate.

Bam!  I just earned some brownie points with Redstorm.  :smirk:

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509377 - 04/12/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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You make a glaring error and then accuse Redstorm of not doing any "research"! It appears as if you are the one who did not do any research.





did you read the link? thats not exactly a glaring error.





You claimed that Bush said something about a "new Pearl Harbor" in speeches. He never did. Some political think tank did. There's a big difference. You made a glaring error. End of story.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5509379 - 04/12/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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No offense, but Redstorm would beat the hell out of you in a debate.

Bam!  I just earned some brownie points with Redstorm.  :smirk:




good for you bitch.
is redstorm an american? he wasn't aware of the begginings of our country, doesn't seem to bright to me.


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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509388 - 04/12/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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good for you bitch.
is redstorm an american? he wasn't aware of the begginings of our country, doesn't seem to bright to me.




And you don't seem to be too aware of proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5509395 - 04/12/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the New American Century, the PNAC. Other founders include Dick Cheney, now vice-president, Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence secretary, I Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, William J Bennett, Reagan's education secretary, and Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush's ambassador to Afghanistan.


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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5509398 - 04/12/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What was that Val Kilmer movie where he was an FBI agent investigating a Native American reservation, some guy named Jimmy. He mingled with the people, until he found out he had native american roots, anyone know that one?

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5509400 - 04/12/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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good for you bitch.
is redstorm an american? he wasn't aware of the begginings of our country, doesn't seem to bright to me.




And you don't seem to be too aware of proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation.




It's the internet dude, get over it.


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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509403 - 04/12/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:

The Revolutionary War was hardly a conspiracy. We can argue semantics all day, but you still aren't an informed citizen just because you watched some silly movie.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5509409 - 04/12/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

my semantics are in line with websters. maybe you should read it.


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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5509412 - 04/12/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

im not certain weather or not the US Govt actualy carried out the 9-11 attacks, but it isnt such a radical idea. Think about it, plenty of times in history governments have done things and blamed it on other people to get what they want. Hitler did it, the Romans did it.

To automaticly dismiss this because it is a conspiracy i think is idiotic. All a conspiracy is anyways is two or more people planning to do something illegal. Our government isnt perfect, and the people who run it arent angels. I would not be surprised for one second if they had something to do with the 9-11 attacks......

Also, the CIA had plans to have a passanger plane shot down by the US airforce over Cuba and to blame it on the Cubans to go to war. Not to mention the Spanish American war. So its not like this isnt in our history allready.

If the government did do it, then it was probaly so they could go to war with Afgan and Iraq for control of the oil. I think that they are also just setting the stage for a totalitarian society, i dont think they will try to do it with the current administration yet though. I think they will try to get to the mid-east and control most of the worlds oil supply. That way we can control China once they rely on more oil, and our oil is secure for our own use.


Although, all it would take to make the US into Oceana would be another huge terrorist attack, maybe a nuke or small nuke in a large city. Or maybe some sort of disease that wipes out a quarter or more of our population, anything that will get the people to willingly sacrafice their Liberties in return for "Security". Isnt Cheny the CEO or was the CEO or something like that of the company that has the vaccine for the Bird Flue?



anyways, i think people should be open to the idea that the government played a part in the 9-11 attacks. Its not that big of a streach to think they did. Its not the same as thinking that our world is run by giant lizards.



and for anyone who wants to point out my spelling mistakes and try to use them against me to discredit me.... piss off

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509415 - 04/12/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the New American Century, the PNAC. Other founders include Dick Cheney, now vice-president, Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence secretary, I Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, William J Bennett, Reagan's education secretary, and Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush's ambassador to Afghanistan.




Admittedly, a lot of the members and followers of the PNAC are Bush loyalists. That is not the point of contention. We are talking about your blatant error when you claimed Bush talked about a "new Pearl Harbor" in his speeches. He didn't and you were wrong. You then had the gall to yell at Redstorm for not doing any research. This was a pathetic debating tactic.

And, I will say again that I have read this PNAC report. The so-called "damning quote" is not that damning. It is merely a truism that was thrown into a report. Conspiracy theorists grab onto that one quote taken out of context like it is proof of a governmental 9/11 conspiracy. This is complete idiocy.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509418 - 04/12/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.




Ok, what does our founding fathers have anything to do with George Bush piloting planes into the towers in NYC? Of course our country was founded by a subversive act. Any elementary school child knows that. You'll have to explain to me how that has any link to your crazy plot to rile up the people for war.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: sparks8]
    #5509423 - 04/12/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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And you don't seem to be too aware of proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation.




It's the internet dude, get over it.




When I debate people on the internet I expect them to write intelligently.  Writing intelligently entails using proper grammar.  :shrug:

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: chaospilot]
    #5509427 - 04/12/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Of course it is idiotic to immediately dismiss it. To dismiss it after reading sources on both sides of the aisle for years is not, though. I must say, it is equally as idiotic to embrace a conspiracy theor without looking at both sides of the issue.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: chaospilot]
    #5509441 - 04/12/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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im not certain weather or not the US Govt actualy carried out the 9-11 attacks, but it isnt such a radical idea. Think about it, plenty of times in history governments have done things and blamed it on other people to get what they want. Hitler did it, the Romans did it.

To automaticly dismiss this because it is a conspiracy i think is idiotic.




I never said that it wasn't possible that the U.S. government was involved or complicit in the attacks. It is quite possible that the U.S. government was involved. But, in order to believe that I need to see proof. I have yet to see anything even remotely resembling proof. All I have seen is half-baked innuendo from absolute loons.

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Re: 9-11, conspiracy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5509444 - 04/12/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Omust say, it is equally as idiotic to embrace a conspiracy theor without looking at both sides of the issue.




i agree with you on that.

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