Annapurna1 said:

conservative pundits are fond of telling us that the title is the reason why the american public so strongly opposes healthcare reform or any other social or infrastructure programmes...but how much do americans really distrust their govt??...

polls have consistently shown that most americans trust the govt when the govt snatches them off the street and tells them "trust us..your a terrorist..were going to hold you under torture for the rest of your life"...similarly..they trust the govt to spy on all their emails and phone calls without a probable cause.. etc...

speaking as a naive liberal far out of step with america..i would say that the second paragraph above places a far more dangerous level of trust in the govt than the first paragraph...most americans..however..feel very differently...if your one of them..now do you trust the government??...

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Annapurna1 said:

conservative pundits are fond of telling us that the title is the reason why the american public so strongly opposes healthcare reform or any other social or infrastructure programmes...but how much do americans really distrust their govt??...

polls have consistently shown that most americans trust the govt when the govt snatches them off the street and tells them "trust us..your a terrorist..were going to hold you under torture for the rest of your life"...similarly..they trust the govt to spy on all their emails and phone calls without a probable cause.. etc...

speaking as a naive liberal far out of step with america..i would say that the second paragraph above places a far more dangerous level of trust in the govt than the first paragraph...most americans..however..feel very differently...if your one of them..now do you trust the government??...

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KevinDontWave said:

Annapurna1 said:

conservative pundits are fond of telling us that the title is the reason why the american public so strongly opposes healthcare reform or any other social or infrastructure programmes...but how much do americans really distrust their govt??...

polls have consistently shown that most americans trust the govt when the govt snatches them off the street and tells them "trust us..your a terrorist..were going to hold you under torture for the rest of your life"...similarly..they trust the govt to spy on all their emails and phone calls without a probable cause.. etc...

speaking as a naive liberal far out of step with america..i would say that the second paragraph above places a far more dangerous level of trust in the govt than the first paragraph...most americans..however..feel very differently...if your one of them..now do you trust the government??...

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What the fuck are you talking about? You're not making much sense and you sound really angry.

Someone has an axe to grind.

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luvdemshrooms said:

Annapurna1 said:

conservative pundits are fond of telling us that the title is the reason why the american public so strongly opposes healthcare reform or any other social or infrastructure programmes...but how much do americans really distrust their govt??...

polls have consistently shown that most americans trust the govt when the govt snatches them off the street and tells them "trust us..your a terrorist..were going to hold you under torture for the rest of your life"...similarly..they trust the govt to spy on all their emails and phone calls without a probable cause.. etc...

speaking as a naive liberal far out of step with america..i would say that the second paragraph above places a far more dangerous level of trust in the govt than the first paragraph...most americans..however..feel very differently...if your one of them..now do you trust the government??...

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I trust the government to fuck up everything they get involved in.

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polls have consistently shown that most americans trust the govt when the govt snatches them off the street and tells them "trust us..your a terrorist..were going to hold you under torture for the rest of your life"...similarly..they trust the govt to spy on all their emails and phone calls without a probable cause.. etc...

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Seuss said:

> and at least in my mind..backing up bu$hco is inconsistent with "not to trust the govt"...

Disregarding many other errors of your claims, the big difference here is that terrorists (at least the one Bush was going after) happen to live in other countries

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Annapurna1 said:

and i trust that you think the government fucked up torture when they stopped doing it...

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Mr.Al said:

"Liberal" used to mean someone who loves liberty.

Interesting that term was hijacked.

I don't like the current clown show in D.C.

I didn't like Bush either.

The private sector of the economy is much more efficient than the public sector. 

That is primarily why I don't advocate government healthcare.

I have heard about people getting fucked up at V.A. hospitals.  I know one vet personally that received, to put it lightly, "substandard care".

Look at the government healthcare provided at Indian reservations.  It's a fucking nightmare.

Government run healthcare would be like combining a hospital with a R.M.V.

The U.S.S.R. had government health care:

http://mises.org/story/3650

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Even Cuba agrees.


 
Cuba's government is trying to save its collapsing socialist economy -- by opening the door to markets in agriculture.
 

For years Cuba boasted of its state-run farming system. However, that system is not only despotic, it has been a disaster. Despite excellent farming conditions, production is far below expectations, and vast acres of fertile land go uncultivated.
 
In desperation, the government last year began giving idle state farmland to private farmers and farm cooperatives. Owners are allowed to pay workers based on results, not according to state-mandated wage scales. Hard work, innovation, and entrepreneurship are rewarded.
 
The results, predictably, have been dramatic, according to a fascinating article by St. Petersburg Times Latin American correspondent David Adams.
 
Though tilling only about a fourth of Cuban land, burdened by numerous idiotic regulations, and forced to turn over some of their production to the Cuban government at half the market price, private sources already produce nearly 60 percent of Cuban crops and livestock, according to the Cuban government. And the program is just getting under way.
 
Ironically, the Cuban government is trying to define this move towards farm privatization as... true socialism.
 
"The last 50 years have shown that private farmers are more socialist than the state," said Oscar Espinosa Chepe, a former state economic adviser and a critic of the current Cuban government. "State farms are anti-socialist. The only thing they socialized is loss-making."
 
"The land is there! Here are the Cubans. Let's see if we work or not, if we produce or not!" exhorted Cuban President Rául Castro at a rally in July.
 
Viva La Revolución!

Annapurna1 said:

Seuss said:

> and at least in my mind..backing up bu$hco is inconsistent with "not to trust the govt"...

Disregarding many other errors of your claims, the big difference here is that terrorists (at least the one Bush was going after) happen to live in other countries

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ummm..jose padilla...

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luvdemlies said:

Annapurna1 said:

and i trust that you think the government fucked up torture when they stopped doing it...

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Perhaps you could show me where I said the government not doing things was a problem for me, seeing as my continuing bitch with them is they do things they shouldn't.

Really Anna, you should remove that bug from your ass.

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I trust the government to fuck up everything they get involved in.

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HOUSTON — President Obama’s plan to deliver a speech to public school students on Tuesday has set off a revolt among conservative parents, who have accused the president of trying to indoctrinate their children with socialist ideas and are asking school officials to excuse the children from listening...
Mr. Obama intends to urge students to work hard and stay in school...
“The thing that concerned me most about it was it seemed like a direct channel from the president of the United States into the classroom, to my child,”

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