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Benefits of heroin
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Back when i was 12 - 13 i used to see these junkies in my blocks basement shooting H... i meditated about heroin use back then and i wasnt sure i wanted to try it...

Years passed and i tried ayahuasca, san pedro - THESE 2 FUCKERS were the hardest of all - i had several nasty trips and left perma damage to my psyche :crankey:

And now when i meditate about H - it seems as it might be THE right thing to try to help me ease out my mental emotional and spiritual self.

The problem of course here where i live and with contacts i have i cant even get weed that doesnt smell like toilet. Let alone heroin...

I have a good feeling if i were to apply heroin carefully - it will heal me :yesnod:


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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If thats your plan, be responsible. You may be able to obtain synthetic opiates/pharmaceutical opiates. I reccomend that you do too, the purity is guranteed. It seems it would be a safer alternative to me.

You could also stop by the Ethnogarden and read one of the many great threads on cultivating poppies for organic opium.


-M

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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But i could be wroong, this is just a vision an idea i have ... i donno :shrug:

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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Well im not going to be able to tell you if your fellings are right or wrong, only you can do that. I can tell you its not going to kill you to try something out once to see if you like it.

I strongly reccomend you be responsible and start small and slow if you do, to read some opium addiction horror stories I direct you to Other Drugs Discussion.

Not all opiate users form problems, recreational drugs can be safe if used responsibly and in moderation. If you feel you can do that, then go for it. Do your research first and everything will be ok, then if you are wrong, you wont be out too much. Start small and slow, as I said. Opiates can be powerful and creep on you. You will either feel creative, warm, and energetic or slow, warm, and drowsy.

Everyone has different reactions.

-M

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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I donno about opium man, i tried it, it is more of recreational value than heroin :shrug:


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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That's a dangerous way of thinking, desant... it's a sure-fire way to get mentally dependent on the drug.  Sure a drug like heroin (or any opiate) can put your mind at ease, but what about what when it wears off?  Do you think that doing heroin a single time will give you some kind of insight to fix what happened on your trip(s)?  I'm not saying it won't, but few people do opiates for the insights gained from the drug.

But yeah, heroin is a pain the ass to obtain, unless you're
a) lucky
or
b) know people in the circle

Maybe you should try other drugs that are calming, and considered less dangerous.  I'm a fan of kava, a drug that is reasonably subtle, but very calming and relaxing.  I also enjoy taking kratom every now and then because it makes laying around.  Both are legal and very easy to obtain, albeit not risk-free.  Read up on them at erowid.org or in the shroomery ODD.  Just a suggestion as alternatives to heroin.

How did San Pedro and Ayahuasca damage you?


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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desant said:
And now when i meditate about H - it seems as it might be THE right thing to try to help me ease out my mental emotional and spiritual self.



Sure way to become an addict. Leave H alone. Dumbest idea ever. Time heals all. Know that and save yourself a fuck load of trouble. You will not find solace from anything outside of yourself.

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: today mylove]
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Not at all, here i am talking about using H once, maybe twice...

Ive tried kratom about 5 times - made tea with it - didnt do much for me - maybe i got weak kratom?

As for kava... never tried it, should i look into it?


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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desant said:
And now when i meditate about H - it seems as it might be THE right thing to try to help me ease out my mental emotional and spiritual self.

:yesnod:



No drug will ever get you in touch with your spiritual Self


:peace:


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: Chronic7]
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Ahhhhhhhh u know what, i know something - that something is - H does sedate your nnerves and brings you in touch with your inner psyche like no other drug - from that state on you can do healing on multiple levels. It works.


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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desant said:
Not at all, here i am talking about using H once, maybe twice...

Ive tried kratom about 5 times - made tea with it - didnt do much for me - maybe i got weak kratom?

As for kava... never tried it, should i look into it?


You might have gotten weak kratom, but kratom tea usually sucks anyway.  You should just toss and wash, parachute, or capsule, etc.  But that's for the ODD and for you to research.

You should really listen to what these people are saying.  Many other people have had similar thoughts about sedatives, benzos, opiates.... heroin... it mainly just ends up with people addicted.


desant said:
Ahhhhhhhh u know what, i know something - that something is - H does sedate your nnerves and brings you in touch with your inner psyche like no other drug - from that state on you can do healing on multiple levels. It works.


Where are you getting this?


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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desant said:
I donno about opium man, i tried it, it is more of recreational value than heroin :shrug:


Most "opium" in the US is either fake, or actually black tar heroin. It could have been real though, it seems like more and more people are growing and cultivating it in the US lately, so who knows.

I tell you what, though - I used to have, and still do to an extent, mental and emotional problems. I turned to poppy tea. This was still when it was widely available. It can still be found now very easily, but I get the feeling it's being "watched" pretty closely. But let you tell me about my experience on it.

Yes, it took away all of my negative emotions. It filled me with happiness. With warm, glowing, euphoria. It was my savior from my own mind, and at the time I thought it was my "cure," as well. I thought I would be fine if I just kept taking it, and that it was "healing" me as well. All of those thoughts are delusional, but when you're in the midst of the addiction, it can be almost impossible to see that.

When you come down from opiates, you feel worse. So much worse. Worse than you can even imagine, right now, having never been through it. If your thoughts are bothering you NOW, for the love of god please don't pick up an opiate habit.

Let me tell you, opiate addiction is no joke. You say you want to do heroin "just once or twice." Well, I was going to make tea "every week or two." As soon as I got my first box of pods though, made tea, and got high on it, I was hooked. It took away depression, anxiety, fear, whatever, you name it. I felt like a million bucks, basking in euphoria, nodding in and out. I was addicted from the start. Compared to being doped up, there was no way I ever wanted to go back to living a clean lifestyle.

It caught up to me though, and it will catch up with you as well, if you choose to use opiates. They're sneaky like that. When you're on them, you're only having happy thoughts, and so you start to believe that you have your usage under control. Then, when you come down, you feel shittier than you felt to begin with, and since your brain is deprived of its' natural opioids, your brain (including your emotional/mental problems,) along with your body, are going to BEG you for more opiates. It becomes the "monkey on your back," so to speak, and you have to feed it or it will beat the shit out of you in ways you can't even imagine right now.

When I was in the midst of my opiate usage, I was never able to see the situation for what it was. It was only until after I quit that I was able to see how it had taken over my whole life. It took priority over uni, friends, my health, my job, EVERYTHING. But all of that was okay........... as long as I could get high again, and forget about all that.

Trust me when I tell you that you DO NOT want to start using opiates. If you do, and you feel that pleasure, it is EXTREMELY hard for you to forget what that feels like. I wish I had never experienced that opium tea goodness in the first place, because now I feel it is implanted in my mind forever. I can only hope that it will go away over time, but as for now, I still have cravings for it just about every day. Sometimes mild, but sometimes extremely strong.

To make things worse, I am still technically on opiates - Suboxone (Buprenorphine,) just to feel normal and to make it impossible for me to get high on "real" opiates. How it works is that it fills the opiate receptors in the brain, but without getting you high, and it binds so strongly to the receptors that if you try to use any other opiate, it will have little to no effect. I voluntarily got on the program, in order to get my life back in order. So now, instead of being on pod tea, I am on a prescribed opiate that doesn't even get me high. After two years of opiate addiction, I feel like I'm just now starting to come back around and live a "normal" life.

Your brain has natural feel-good chemicals. Whether you can sense them now or not, it does. And when you take opiates, your brain stops producing as many of those chemicals, and creates more opiate receptors in order to protect your body from overdose. This is why people develop a tolerance to opiates. It's the body's natural way of protecting yourself.

Right now, your body temperature is regulated. Wait until you have to quit opiates. You will experience the worst inner coldness, so much worse than you can even imagine, I promise. And there is NOTHING you can do to warm yourself except for taking more opiates. And while this is happening, you'll be having EXTREME anxiety, depression, and the most unimaginable, crazy thoughts of your life.

I could go on and on about this forever probably. I'm just trying to tell you, man, opiates are not the way to be "healed," or "cured," or a solution for sadness. They will only make things worse.

Please feel free to PM me about this, or if you just need somebody to talk with, or anything whatsoever, man. There are other ways to help your problems.

desant said:
Ahhhhhhhh u know what, i know something - that something is - H does sedate your nnerves and brings you in touch with your inner psyche like no other drug - from that state on you can do healing on multiple levels. It works.


That's like putting a one-day band-aid on a gaping wound, and expecting it to heal up. There are other ways, trust me. Exercise. Get those natural indigenous chemicals going. Find a psychologist whom you can talk to about your trips and how you feel they've affected your life so badly. You may not like the first psychologist, and you might have to speak with a couple until you find somebody who you're compatible with. But I'm not even saying you need a psychologist. Talking to ANYONE about your problems can help a LOT. It might sound like a stupid cliche, but otherwise, your emotions really DO stay bottled up inside. It sounds like you want heroin as a release.

But opiates are the opposite. They are a trap. Just please take everything I've said into consideration, because I hate to see ANYBODY starting to get into opiates - especially if it is to cover up mental/emotional problems.

Again, please feel free to PM me about anything. If you feel you have nobody else to talk with, I will still be there with you, I promise. I don't even know you, but I can feel your pain and I just don't want it to get worse by you getting addicted to opiates.

Much love. Please take care of yourself. Nobody else can do it for you. :heart:


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...but that was many years from now and, i hope from here on out
i always seem to want to shout your eyes are like a cup of tea, ascend into the sun with me...

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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Isn't MDMA the drug to take to heal emotional trauma without inflicting further possible trauma?

I have no experience, but there is all this research into MDMA therapy for PTSD sufferers.

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: Epigallo]
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yeah listen to Aquaket.. i decided to try H once... its so great that next thing you now you need to be high at all times.... id wake up in the middle of the night just to get high.. i though id never shoot up.. it wasnt long before i had to wear long sleeves out in public...  i havent done that shit in like 2 years and even now i so wish i had a bag.. and lets not even get into the hell of withdrawal... stay away


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: evildee125]
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heroin is not bad for u , but can help you?
now i have heard it all , from marijuana being the devils drug that makes you go crazy and kill people to Heroin being a safe and useful drug
this makes me sick
Heroin is the worst drug there is on the face of this planet
you will learn your lesson mortal ... trust me :beetlejuice:

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: ravenshield420]
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ravenshield420 said:
heroin is not bad for u , but can help you?
now i have heard it all , from marijuana being the devils drug that makes you go crazy and kill people to Heroin being a safe and useful drug
this makes me sick
Heroin is the worst drug there is on the face of this planet
you will learn your lesson mortal ... trust me :beetlejuice:


Have you ever thought that since the propaganda that marijuana was 'the devils drug that makes you go crazy and kill people' was a lie, that the propaganda that heroin 'addicts people instantly, destroys their life and then kills them all' might be a lie as well?

If people spreading mis-information and propaganda horror stories about weed makes you sick, I don't see why you would go off and do the same, demonizing heroin.

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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: Nova]
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Ahhhhhhhhhh well, thanks for replies... its not like H is available in any good form where i am, and i sencerely doubt i am going to try it any time soon... i was just theorising and speculating...


Although i agree MDMA can be used for these purposes too, but im having troouble finding even that right now :S


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: desant]
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Quote:
Ahhhhhhhh u know what, i know something - that something is - H does sedate your nnerves and brings you in touch with your inner psyche like no other drug - from that state on you can do healing on multiple levels. It works.


Sounds more like Ketamine/DXM to me.


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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: Society]
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SocietyRejects said:
How did San Pedro and Ayahuasca damage you?



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Re: Benefits of heroin [Re: Society]
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First of all, i am NOT in any way on any way of obtaining H. It is virtually impossible to get good quality H and try it so im not even going to bother... there are alof of H haters out there... but i remind you once agai i was only interested in trying it once/twice -> extract benefits - > digest: 1or0 beneficial/or not, heal , and leave it

SocietyRejects said:
SocietyRejects said:
How did San Pedro and Ayahuasca damage you?




Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh man. Let me just lit up my smoking tobacco pipe and put on my slippers....

it was 7 years ago... i did 10gs of shrooms, i did some DMT and i smoked LOADS of weed, also tryied LSA and all kinds of shit...

NEVER had any problems, all have been peaceful, enlightening and educating experiences.

Then i read a religious book and convienced myself i have spiritual problems. I brewed ayahuasca - a very strong potent brew, munched some MAOI and drunk the brew... i was hoping ayahusca would *deliver* me from my sppiritual problems... it ennded up quite the opposite -- im not going to tell you what happened, but it left me soooo much worse state that i was before that trip....


If you ask me now i couldnt tell you when i started noticing serious fucked up effects after thaat trip... but every now and then, getting together with few buddies, we would rip a bowl or two and soemthing didnt quite seem right with my psyche... it felt really horrible really gay...

Then a year later i got a big fat san pedroo 2 feet long

Funnily supposedly San pedro" is the one whos "holding" the keys to heavens gate... one evening (at that time i was still pretty strong, damaged but still strong) i had my peice of SP ling on my bed, i loaed some salvia into my bong and ripped it all...

i break thro... i remember levitating into air while some saints (san pedro) was near me.. i was almost free flying airbonr when i grabed onto my ego and fell down....


Soo i figured this san pedro geezer got some serios shit... few weeks later, i ate this san pedro, took a cleansing bath....... went into my room and loaded salvia, .......................... i was expeciting a repeat of same performance..... this time hopefully i was going to make it...


I remember feeling dodgy and scetchy as i came out of bathroom and started loading the bowl...  i didnt really  think..................


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I cashed the bowl............. i burned it all, inhaled... sat back... and waited...................




Back then i didnt know - there is soomekind of methapyshical LAW or soomething.......... i was naivly expecting same settings and same level of support as 2 weeks ago.... it turned out quite the opposite, this time, something dark nasty and horrible was waiting for me them...

It was NASTY :awesome:  i dont remember much...... but after that trip things turned really really gay for me, i started fuckcing up, chronic anxiety developed, paranoias, halucinations. Yet spiritual probelms i had didnt go away after all this ammount of drugs consumed, they evven wortehned.

It was a big mistake to expect aya and SP would rid me of soul/karma/spirit problems.

Now after 6 years i finally realise : ive made A LOT of mistakes thro assumptions and  naive thinking. Let me tell you something, religious dogma is a terrible thing, this gibberish that makes you feel like your a sinner is the worst...

And right now... there is

1. Sama old spiritual problems
2. Damages by those 2 traumatic trips
3. And a lot of real life heat

I half expect that if i try H, it will zone me out, plant my feet back on the groound and generally sooth my nerves and i will cancel out issues number 2.

But there is no chance of me getting any quality H so i might as well forget it and do things i talked about here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10403083#10403083

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Back in 2003 and 2004 i had 2 VERY traumatic bad trips for which im still paying. My psyche was shuttered to 100 pieces and nowdays even when i smoke a bit of weed i get all really REALLY anxious

Im doing ALL kinds of mental work out at present and i feel i am half way to recovery. This is what i am doing:

Raunning water will break a bit of negative attachments to my chakras
Salt
Prayer will break abit
Staring at the sun...
Garlic
herbs (not weed, normal herbs)
a bit of yoga
a bit of salvia and shrooms
some meditation
some sleep depriviation
power ups given to me by various entities helpers
flexing my mind "muscles" / crown chakra
drawing crosses on my body
Lesser banishment ritual of the pentagram
Good slow breething
Reassurannce by friends
Crystals
Light visualisation
Chakra "brushing"
What are some of your technics to heal your psychological and mental body?

I think i read somewhere here a long time ago one should start taking VERY small ammounts of shrooms and gently increase, any more tips??



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