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Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence?
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Another poster alluded to the (non-fact) that all school shootings are done by atheists. I don't want to directly address that, but the implication that religious people are less violent than atheists. I see no indication that this is true, but let's go back to the source for a moment.

Non-violence:

Thou shalt not kill.
Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Various other teachings of Jesus.


Pro-violence:

All of the various sex and other crimes in Leviticus that demand capital punishment.

Hundreds of historical examples of glorifying war and slaughter as long as the Israelites are doing the slaughter.

There appears no clear or consistent stand on violence except to justify it when you are going to do it - which is what everyone does anyway.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lindberger for World Peace!


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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My Bible promotes non-wobbliness in my table.

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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: 4 Way Street]
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Isn't the NT less violent overall than the OT?  At least we've progressed somewhat.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
The Bible doesn't promote. Neither does God. People do.

Historically many more people have promoted killing due interpretations of the Bible than for atheist causes. Historically atheist's hands are quite clean.



Did they use it as an excuse to justify a war to the masses or did they honestly believe it? There's a huge difference.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Maybe the censors should start marking the bible with parental advisory labels?


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Isn't the NT less violent overall than the OT?  At least we've progressed somewhat.


It is moral to use violence in order to establish your city-state. Then violence is immoral after that.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I did not realize that you could justify murder in the name of some higher being that cannot be refuted and then its totally okay?


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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scriptures is all about violence.  In fact in the Tanahk, there are highpriests who are devoted entirely to war.  IN the B'rit Chakadash in revelation two messiahs are coming, one to redeem and the other to wage war.  If you don't believe me just google it.  Rico Cortez, a Sephardic Jew who studies OLD, and RENEWED Covenants will tell you all about it.


The B'rit Chakadash, the "new testament" is against being the aggressor.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: learningtofly]
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That is the 'beauty' of faith - irrational acts can be rationalized.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I think you have reduced it to something it shouldn't be reduced to.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: Statisticons_win]
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Really? Why?

Religion allows people to only answer to some metaphysical deity which cannot be disproved and thus they can do whatever they want (justify murder and hatred) in the name of "god."

I'm not saying religion is bad or that we should get rid of it, i'm just pointing out one of the things that happens with it.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: learningtofly]
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I think the misapplication and improper understading of religion is the blame, not religion itself.  Most of your religious texts that I have encountered are very specific.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: Statisticons_win]
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The Bible is so clear that no one can come to a consensus on violence.

The Bible is specific however, that all gays should be killed.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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and beasty fuckers and those who kill there neighbors on purpose and cheat on the spouse and all kinds of other things.

But the beauty is, in B'rit Chakadash when they were gonna stone the lady for adultery Yrshua discredited all the witnesses by say who here is free from sin let them throw the first stone, thus the first part of scripture was supported that it takes to or more witnesses to bring charges against a neighbor.  See no aggression.


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Ok, how about an old school book burning?


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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Isn't the NT less violent overall than the OT?  At least we've progressed somewhat.


You mean other than the plan to throw the majority of humanity into a lake of fire? Jesus also seems to endorse self mutilation as a means of avoiding hell. And if your city didn't play host to his roaming pack of cult members, the whole city got damned.

Apparently, God dished it out as it came in the OT, he's saving it up in the New Testament.


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why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Does the Bible promote violence or non-violence? [Re: Rahz]
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You outlined it fairly well in your first post. The Old Testament law is ripe with racist, genocidal, and bigoted law. It is quite literally Fascist, specifically in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Numbers, and other early books.

The New Testament is quite different, though. Say what you want about Jesus, his overall philosophy was simplified to this:

1)Love God
2)Love everyone

That is just about the most anti-violent set of rules imaginable. Some new theories even look at Jesus from a secular viewpoint, indicating, when considered with Christian symbolism and contemporary eastern philosophy, the "God" Jesus speaks of may very well be the human mind itself.

Where we run into problems is when it is claimed that the Old Testament God is the same as the New Testament, and that the old law should be obeyed. We also have to take into consideration the rest of the Bible, including the New Testament, which makes Christianity far more complicated than Jesus seemed to want it to be. Add that onto the fact that I have never seen a single person who devoted their life to following those two laws, and it is easy to see how "Christians" are just as violent, immoral, and unloving as everyone else.

Did Jesus exist? I have no idea. But if he did, he advocated a peaceful ideology that, if everyone in the world followed, would surely result in a utopia.

I, even as an atheist, can see that the true Christian religion is one of peace.


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