The Centre said:

Ok, me and my friend, his brother, and his mother, wants ayahuasca/dmt. Now, I know I can learn more from an single ayahuasca experience than a single dmt experience, and I can totally understand why. (DMT only lasts 5 mins.) But I think people are just doing it wrong. The most spiritually beneficial dmt experiences in DMT: The spirit molecule, was the tolerance study, they gave breakthrough doses of DMT (0.4mg per KG, meaning, for someone who weighs 80g, they gave 32mg intravenously, which should be equal in intensity to 50mg smoked, seeing as I bet you that you waste a lot of smoke if you blow out after 5 secs, I mean, you are smoking pure DMT, so any smoke that isn't absorbed is dmt lost.) 4 times, within 1 hour periods.

So, we have like $80-$100 to spend, so we can either get 200-300g of THE most potent mimosa hostillis root bark, (Probably get at least 5g, possibly 10g, dmt, which is, well, countless trips.) and do an DMT extraction, get 200g mimosa and 200g syrian rue, (40 trips, rue mimosa, not exactly ayahuasca, I'd MUCH rather get half as much trips and get real ayahuasca.) or 15-20 ayahuasca trips, so I was wondering, I know for a fact that the ayahuasca forums will say ayahuasca, so I came to a more unbaised forum, so, which do you reccomend?
Also, which is more likely to end up as a bad trip? Which is harder to make. (Leaning towards dmt extraction being harder.) And, which will give me the biggest spiritual reward IN THE LONG RUN. (Meaning, not how much I will get out of one trip, but how much I would get out of say, 10 ayahuasca experiences weighed against 5 hours total spent in DMT-land (50 trips+))
And, last, but not exactly least, which is more fun? (I like to enjoy my spiritual journeys.)

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This whole post is kind of silly

They're two different things.

Personally I would save enough root bark for however many ayahuasca doses you want, and extract the rest.

The Centre said:

Ok, that makes it hard, but I can only get either ayahuasca or DMT, and I know some substances will be more prone to giving you bad trips than others.

Let me put it this way, how much DMT can I expect out of 200g of GOOD mimosa, and how much experience will I get from that amount, vs if I have 500g caapi and 50g of mimosa, and some syrian rue. (I would like to combine the best of both worlds, with caapi as a base, and rue and mimosa as an admix.) The vendor I am using, is potent enough that 3g mimosa, 40g caapi, and a gram of rue will put me on my ass staring at the infinite everything. And, how much experience will I get out of that.
Then weighing the positive from the pure DMT experience: Easy to use, setting isn't as important (just read DMT: the spirit molecule, the setting these people trip in is RIDICULOUS.), if things go bad, it only lasts 5 mins. It is an intense powerful experience that can take you to infinity, bask you in a great powerful white light, and come back, all in a 5-10 minute period, you can have the most powerful experience of your life in your 15 min tea break.

And the negative of the DMT experience: It only lasts 5 mins.
It is hard to integrate, unless subsequent doses is used.
I bet it is harder to extract than make ayahuasca.

Now, the positives about the Ayahuasca experience: Possibly more spiritual, as you can integrate it easier.
It lasts 5 hours.
Probably easier to make than extracted DMT.

Negatives:
It tastes like SHIT.
If the experience goes difficult, it lasts 5 hours.
It needs a more perfect set and setting, it isn't something where you can quickly use it to change your set and setting, and be back, you pretty much have to dedicate a few weeks to it, a week+ for dieta, and another week+ for some more dieta. You pretty much have to plan a trip to a forest, and the brew itself degrades in a week or two, and will be fully useless accept for purge in a few months. So you have to brew it just before an experience.

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Why can you only get one or the other?

you use the same bark for both of them. i'd just stick with MHRB and leave the caapi out as well

and what's this bad trip nonsense?

if you're scared of bad trips stay the fuck away from psychedelics, go do some E or coke or something.

bad trips are part of the overall experience, and from what I've heard, ayahuasca is one of the most terrifying things out there. it will rip at you until you've seen your bullshit ways and when you finally let go of yourself, then the healing will begin.

DMT is just kind of a blast off thing, you hit it, 5 minutes later and you're back, not really sure as to what the hell just happened.

neither are necessarily hard to make either.

i've done DMT once and have my supplies for ayahuasca, and I have a trip to the forest planned out for the first weekend in april

you only need 2 days to diet, and just make it at the campsite in a pot over a fire, pretty simple.

oh and 200 grams of bark should give you at least 2 grams of bark (~40 50 mg hits, aka A TON)if you have a pretty successful extraction.

The Centre said:

Ok, me and my friend, his brother, and his mother, wants ayahuasca/dmt. Now, I know I can learn more from an single ayahuasca experience than a single dmt experience, and I can totally understand why. (DMT only lasts 5 mins.) But I think people are just doing it wrong. The most spiritually beneficial dmt experiences in DMT: The spirit molecule, was the tolerance study, they gave breakthrough doses of DMT (0.4mg per KG, meaning, for someone who weighs 80g, they gave 32mg intravenously, which should be equal in intensity to 50mg smoked, seeing as I bet you that you waste a lot of smoke if you blow out after 5 secs, I mean, you are smoking pure DMT, so any smoke that isn't absorbed is dmt lost.) 4 times, within 1 hour periods.

So, we have like $80-$100 to spend, so we can either get 200-300g of THE most potent mimosa hostillis root bark, (Probably get at least 5g, possibly 10g, dmt, which is, well, countless trips.) and do an DMT extraction, get 200g mimosa and 200g syrian rue, (40 trips, rue mimosa, not exactly ayahuasca, I'd MUCH rather get half as much trips and get real ayahuasca.) or 15-20 ayahuasca trips, so I was wondering, I know for a fact that the ayahuasca forums will say ayahuasca, so I came to a more unbaised forum, so, which do you reccomend?
Also, which is more likely to end up as a bad trip? Which is harder to make. (Leaning towards dmt extraction being harder.) And, which will give me the biggest spiritual reward IN THE LONG RUN. (Meaning, not how much I will get out of one trip, but how much I would get out of say, 10 ayahuasca experiences weighed against 5 hours total spent in DMT-land (50 trips+))
And, last, but not exactly least, which is more fun? (I like to enjoy my spiritual journeys.)

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pfxtc said:

The Centre said:

Ok, that makes it hard, but I can only get either ayahuasca or DMT, and I know some substances will be more prone to giving you bad trips than others.

Let me put it this way, how much DMT can I expect out of 200g of GOOD mimosa, and how much experience will I get from that amount, vs if I have 500g caapi and 50g of mimosa, and some syrian rue. (I would like to combine the best of both worlds, with caapi as a base, and rue and mimosa as an admix.) The vendor I am using, is potent enough that 3g mimosa, 40g caapi, and a gram of rue will put me on my ass staring at the infinite everything. And, how much experience will I get out of that.
Then weighing the positive from the pure DMT experience: Easy to use, setting isn't as important (just read DMT: the spirit molecule, the setting these people trip in is RIDICULOUS.), if things go bad, it only lasts 5 mins. It is an intense powerful experience that can take you to infinity, bask you in a great powerful white light, and come back, all in a 5-10 minute period, you can have the most powerful experience of your life in your 15 min tea break.

And the negative of the DMT experience: It only lasts 5 mins.
It is hard to integrate, unless subsequent doses is used.
I bet it is harder to extract than make ayahuasca.

Now, the positives about the Ayahuasca experience: Possibly more spiritual, as you can integrate it easier.
It lasts 5 hours.
Probably easier to make than extracted DMT.

Negatives:
It tastes like SHIT.
If the experience goes difficult, it lasts 5 hours.
It needs a more perfect set and setting, it isn't something where you can quickly use it to change your set and setting, and be back, you pretty much have to dedicate a few weeks to it, a week+ for dieta, and another week+ for some more dieta. You pretty much have to plan a trip to a forest, and the brew itself degrades in a week or two, and will be fully useless accept for purge in a few months. So you have to brew it just before an experience.

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Why can you only get one or the other?

you use the same bark for both of them. i'd just stick with MHRB and leave the caapi out as well

and what's this bad trip nonsense?

if you're scared of bad trips stay the fuck away from psychedelics, go do some E or coke or something.

bad trips are part of the overall experience, and from what I've heard, ayahuasca is one of the most terrifying things out there. it will rip at you until you've seen your bullshit ways and when you finally let go of yourself, then the healing will begin.

DMT is just kind of a blast off thing, you hit it, 5 minutes later and you're back, not really sure as to what the hell just happened.

neither are necessarily hard to make either.

i've done DMT once and have my supplies for ayahuasca, and I have a trip to the forest planned out for the first weekend in april

you only need 2 days to diet, and just make it at the campsite in a pot over a fire, pretty simple.

oh and 200 grams of bark should give you at least 2 grams of bark (~40 50 mg hits, aka A TON)if you have a pretty successful extraction.

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