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Offlineshroomerman
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low jar count
    #995708 - 10/26/02 11:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I am averaging one jar per 12 jars to germinate at all. So it took me 36 jars to get 3 jars with micilli. 2 contamed out and I laid them to rest in poo in the yard. So out of 36 cakes I have one good casing. That sucks is this normal? I followed the teks, what could be happening. I know the spores are real because i ate some leftover micilli from the one good jar after casing, and had a nice mild trip.  :tongue:Thanks. 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995710 - 10/27/02 12:00 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: low jar count [Re: ]
    #995720 - 10/27/02 12:07 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Look, you cops that like to eat mushrooms ought to realize you should not be going around busting people for eating and smoking things that occur in nature. Congratulations on getting that sniper, keep on focusing your efforts on shits like that, and leave trippers/smokers alone. btw how did you get a 5 shroom rating in one day? Congratulations on your decision to expand your mind with hallucinogens mr police man. Have a nice doughnut. :grin: 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995731 - 10/27/02 12:15 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No, one successful jar out of twelve is not normal at all. How did you obtain your spores? Which tek are you using? How are you incubating? Give us details man!


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995748 - 10/27/02 12:25 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, here some open ended questions

1) Where did you get your spores?
2) How did you incoculate your jars?
3) What temputure were they kept at during incubation?
3) Were there holes in the lids for gas exchange?
4) What sort of substrate did you use? BRF? GRAIN?


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Re: low jar count [Re: dog]
    #995758 - 10/27/02 12:30 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

ok... I got the spores from a dude on here who turned out to live near me. He said they are fresh. i am using pressure cooker sterilization, 20 min on 15 psi. Verm / brown rice flour. I made my own syringes from the prints using the shotglass in microwave oven method. I used about a 1/2 inch square of the print so there should have been an abundance of spores. I let the water cool completely b4 adding spores. I let the jars cool completely b4 innoculating. I have the jars in 85 degree garage easy to maintain temp in florida.  The temp has never gone above 90 nor below 80. Seems like the only jars to contaminate are the ones germinating. most jars have nothing at all in them. The one good jar so far I cased. When I cased there were a few pieces of micilli left in the jar. I let them remain and in 3 days got all fuzzy. I ate that and tripped surprisingly well for a few little fuzzballs.
Could I be overcooking the jars in the canner? Or maybe the spores are old after all and weak?  :confused: I hope I can figgure this out. Thanks. 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995761 - 10/27/02 12:32 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

and yes i have 2 holes in each lid.


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995767 - 10/27/02 12:36 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Everything sounds pretty good. The jars that do not grow, is there a funky smell to them? If you open the lid a little bit and take a sniff do they smell something like sour beer?


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995777 - 10/27/02 12:43 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, check one jar by smelling it.

If it smells, throw the jars away, or clean them out and use them again later.
If it doesnt smell, then save the jars, and use them for your next batch

A few other things. Next time maybe pressure cook the jars for a whole hour. I think you might have made a mistake when you were making the syringes, because thats pretty touchy, the rest with the incubation etc etc was done fine. Maybe buy a couple syringes next time.


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Re: low jar count [Re: dog]
    #995780 - 10/27/02 12:47 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

HELL YA! Smells sour all right. Sort of like weak vinegar. Ok thanks man, so how did I fuck up? And how can I prevent it from happening in the future please? Thanks


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995788 - 10/27/02 12:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That my friend is a bacterial contamination. It's hard to say where it came from. You could try increasing your PC time, or perhaps buy a different brand of rice flour. When I first started growing I was plagued by contams of this sort and I traced it back to the flour I was using. I changed brands and have been fine ever  since. Good luck.  :smile: 


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Re: low jar count [Re: dog]
    #995795 - 10/27/02 12:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

ok i'm using arrowhead brand or whatever BRF, what kind do you use? Also, how long and at what pressure can i cook at without the carmelizing thing happening. I can choose 5 10 or 15 psi. Thanks, you the MAN!!! :grin:   


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995806 - 10/27/02 01:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well, first of all you can PC it longer. 1hr at 15psi is standard.
You said that you stored them in a garage? Is that garage clean? Make sure it is in a tight clean container away from the sun at all times.
Review your sterilisation teks/cross contamination etc..
About the flour....I'd buy the organic whole grain rice unground, (Bulk at most grocery stores) then grind it yourself. The stuff you buy already ground might be old and stale, maybe even rancid. After you grind it up in a blender or whatever and have some left, store it in the freezer in a tight ziplockk bag for future use.....

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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995813 - 10/27/02 01:07 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm using the Now brand brown rice flour from my friendly neighborhood health food store. 40 minutes at 15 PSI should kill just about everything.


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Re: low jar count [Re: dog]
    #995821 - 10/27/02 01:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

thanks everyone, you have saved me much future grief, expect your trips to be intense because of your good will. :cool: 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #995967 - 10/27/02 01:28 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Step #1) Go to www.thelittleguy.com and buy the dark days package *good deal*
Step #2) Sterilize for 1 hour at 15spi
Step #3) Innoculate

The problem I feel you are having is going through the hastle of buying prints off a shady character and having to make the syringes yourself. I am confident that's your problem.


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Re: low jar count [Re: f8L]
    #996304 - 10/27/02 08:00 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

only 3 of my 4 jars had growth. Maybe you didnt inject enough spores or the spores were old. when you ate the mycellum, did you eat some of the verm too? try PCing for an hour like I did. no contams that way. also buy a professional syringe, it should be more sterile.


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #996372 - 10/27/02 09:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You ate vermiculite...most people would recommend against it

Vendor syringes are more reliable than prints and syringes made by non professionals

When pc'ing the time starts from when the rocker starts rocking or the gauge reads 15 psi

normal contam rates are like 10% or less before 100% colonization

use a tek where you have a dry vermiculite layer above the brown rice vermiculite mix (pf-tek, mmgg)



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Re: low jar count [Re: bigslick]
    #996468 - 10/27/02 11:22 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

LOL :grin: have you ever been camping? When I was in the boy scouts we used to drop food a lot.We would wipe off the little pieces of dirt and sand and whatnot and we never could get it all. :grin: The debris that remained was called "trail pepper". Those little pieces of vermiculite I gleefully ate with the mycilli are gonna enjoy thier little journey through my guts and pass harmlessly out my asshole. :grin: :grin: :grin: I mean golly gosh, i ate maybe some vermiculite the size of an ash from a cigarette if you would pile it all up. :grin: You guys are getting to official on me  :ooo: :smile: :laugh: :grin:. I was talking in another post about consuming a casing tray. Well I'm not gonna do THAT, but if I see any contams I'm gonna chew the other half of the tray away from the contam like chewing tobacco, and just swallow the juice.

But back on topic, I'm gonna do the 1 hour sterilizing and re-do my jars within a couple days. My one casing tray is ok and in the wet perlite terrarium after a night in the fridge. I already am adding the dry verm on the top of the jars. Rice flour is cheap, and I have plenty of verm lying around, I buy it by the cubic yard. So, I'm gonna use the rest of the spores I have, and then order a shitwheel of syringes from thelittleguy when I get ahead on bills in a couple weeks. That way whatever jars poop out by then, I'll have the syringes to use on them. I'm gonna re-use jars with new lids, but I'm gonna pressure cook the jars for an hour empty as a preliminary sterilization b4 I even put in the substrate and sterilize again.

You all have been MOST helpful, and I hope you don't mind the teasing about the vermiculite eating, but really, it was just a smidgen, what harm could it possibly do, it's like eating the paper that LSD comes on. Who recommends spitting out the paper when dosing on a blotto? ROFL!!! See why I think it's funny?

THANK YOU ALL when I get a bumper crop I'll have a shroom party and yer invited. :cool: Peace... 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #996609 - 10/27/02 12:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I had the same problem, and whiffed my jars -- to my surprise, they smelled like, well, pussy. Couldn't figure it out. Had I been playing around w/ my gf's cous-cous, and then comtam'd the jars while preparing?

A couple of days later, I started seeing like stringy fibers coming out around the cake. But they were black and shiny and curly, not white. Pretty soon, a long cleft began appearing, with a weird knot near the top. I opened the jar again, and was nearly overpowered by the aroma. I touched it with my fingertip (after dipping in peroxide), and condensation appeared around the cleft area.

It seems to thrive in a relatively high-humidity environment (needs to be aired out frequently), and in a substrate consisting of ground up shellfish, movie tickets, and diamond powder.

Three days ago, I birthed the wuss-cake.

Yesterday, I dumped my gf.

I hope to post pics soon.

Is this wrong?

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Re: low jar count [Re: vildechayea]
    #996640 - 10/27/02 01:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

hahahaha pervert, such a silly man!


as for eating vermiculite, youd gotta be real desperate if you cant wait for shrooms. also youd need to eat a whole 1/2 pint cake to have a level 2 trip! thats more than a handful of verm along with brf, mycellum and bacteria!


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Re: low jar count [Re: LSAuser]
    #996914 - 10/27/02 03:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

level whatever. I don't know about the new leveling system, but if 5 is the hardest and 1 is a small trip then I got a level 3/4 (almost a 1) off of about maybe 1/20th a gram mycilli. Maybe it's just because I am astrally strong. Maybe because I haven't tripped in a year or better. BTW how long b4 you return to absolute zero tolerance after tripping ? I love you all,  :wink:you have been most kind to me. 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #996926 - 10/27/02 03:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Its 2 weeks, but 1 month is better.
Although I havent noticed any difference with 2 weeks.


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #996930 - 10/27/02 03:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That is very odd. PS it longer and hope for the best. I sterilized two glasses by steam-boil for 1 hour and got 0 contamination.


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Re: low jar count [Re: SixCee]
    #996973 - 10/27/02 03:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I just cut out some concentrated mycilli from the corner of the casing with a sterile knife in the name of overlay prevention. I discarded the mycilli /peat/verm mix into my piehole. I should be on another level 1/2  trip again in about an hour. But I am grateful for such small things. Already I feel the tolerance hard at work from 3 days ago tripping on mycilli. My casing is my friend. I'm sure the mycilli in the center of the tray has not heard about my hack job at the edges. Shrooms will still form, or i'll eat the whole fucking tray like I said b4. I'm getting very stern with my fungus., they must please me or I'll eat them. I know I didn't fuck up the tray by fuckin' 'round and cutting into it. The knife waz sterile. Shrooms , shrooms grow grow grow this is your blessed opportunity. Not tripping in a long time makes you bold. when I open the terrarium to fan it it stinks like mushrooms. I'm in heaven. I have a good ammount of psilocyben working hard for me to create more. When I master this I'm gonna organize a shroom party on me. Weed included. Booze, weed, and trips of whatever sort are my things. Ok, excuse me while I enjoy my limited tolerance. Weeeeeee Hioooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks everyone!!!!!!! :grin:   


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #996986 - 10/27/02 03:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Let me get this straight, dude:  in order to enhance myco fruiting potential, you've consumed a portion of substrate, in the hopes that "word will get around" to the surviving mycellia, hence coercing them into growing faster?

Makes sense to me.

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Re: low jar count [Re: vildechayea]
    #997097 - 10/27/02 04:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly my man!!! Well put, I could not have said it better. It was not a sin to carve out some trip from the casing was it? Because, I'll tell you, from my eyes, it was worth it. I don'tplan on fucking around forever, this was my only opportunity to trip. As you can see from my avitar, I take things seriously sometimes, and get great results. Just like I will here. For now, I'm gonna trip if possible whenever I feel like it, I haven't done that in years. Later, in a couple weeks, I am ordering a syringe assortment from thelittleguy, and using them all in one weekend with 150 jars, and go for a big huge clitoris harvest. :tongue: Till then, I'll be the strange one whom eats casings and shit. I still love you though, and you are still invited to eat shrooms with me in 2003. :grin: 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #997149 - 10/27/02 05:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well, there's nothing wrong with snarfing a vermy brown rice krispy treat if it titilates the mushie recptors.  Hell, I have occasionally dropped precious piney chronic into my shag carpet, then rooted about with tweezers, only to wind up cooking cat hairs, toenail clippings and Herculon fibers along with meager dustmite-ridden nuggite frags.  But don't become such a snarfelopagus that you wind up mauwing all your shroomy pupae before they even reach their full glory!  And you know, I never thought they were clitoral except maybe the pins; if my babe's tootsie roll was 3" and got me trippin' when noshed upon, I'd marry da' bitch (n' shit).

You crack me up, man. 
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Re: low jar count [Re: vildechayea]
    #997196 - 10/27/02 05:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

ya I said I wont. I only have one casing NOW, but soon I'll have many. Once a rotating harvest system is in place, I'll never have to rape my casings again. But for now, I am grateful of even a small trip after so long. I hope to one day cook LSD. We'll see how it goes with the growables first. 2 out of 3 ain't bad. :tongue: BTW I think that a big pile of mushrooms can only help in my crusade to gather clitorises. I think we should all be fucking in the streets. What the hell is wrong with all of you!!! LO L I'm sorry, but I'm not.  :shocked: :smirk: :grin: shake it sugaree!!!!! :smile: 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #997201 - 10/27/02 05:42 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You're gonna "cook" LSD? Tell me how that one goes.


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Re: low jar count [Re: Skikid16]
    #997359 - 10/27/02 06:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

it goes pretty much like this...

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/index.html#lsd

have fun baby!  :grin: 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #998453 - 10/27/02 11:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I heard making acid was only for chemistry majors w/ at least 1 yr experience.

How did your ganja growing experience compare to mushie growing so far?

I've never done it 'cause I'm in an apartment & I know the skunky reek can get heavy, plus all that lighting equipment.

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Re: low jar count [Re: vildechayea]
    #998801 - 10/28/02 01:42 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Your gonna eat a whole tray of verm if no shrooms? man youll die! youll clog up ur intestines!


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Re: low jar count [Re: vildechayea]
    #998932 - 10/28/02 02:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

>>>I heard making acid was only for chemistry majors w/ at least 1 yr experience<<<

More like Xpert Biochemist Mycrobiochemists w/ LOTS (years, maybe 5) of hands on experience. And your chances of death are still around %900. You are dealing w/ a fungus that can rot u from the inside out, make your arms and legs fall off, and kill you more horribly than your worst nightmare.
Not to mention that 44,000 europens died this way in the 14th(15th?) century.

Kids, we dont try this @ home.


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #998950 - 10/28/02 03:03 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

BTW, can u acctually comprehend anything that u are reading off Rhodiums site? You can work an indole calculation? You can get your hands on commercial e*got? Can you completley dedicate yourself to a life learning process working twords a goal that will enveiyably (maybe) render you a leper?

Just because the info is out there doesnt mean it should B put into practice.
E*gotism is nothing to fuck w/.

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I am not showing off.
This is nothing to that matter.

I am just someone who rather not see a fellow mycologist (and human being) die sooo horribly.
Not to mention, if ya try something; get yer hands on some Hydracloric acid, fix up a shack in the boonies, casue a mass contamination, or just a controled one.
In the end, it will be the informational source that will suffer aswell. No one wants the D*A on our dicks (and clits LSA =).
Food for thought.

But hell, take the 7 years of chem and prove me wrong.


-XiC


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Re: low jar count [Re: XiC_clone]
    #999429 - 10/28/02 10:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I never said I was gonna do it tomorrow.  :grin: Growing weed is so fucking easy once you know how. There's no sterility thing like with mushrooms, so it's 10 times easier. Mushroom growing will be easy for me to do too, once I get down to a proceedure I like best and order good clean syringes. I'm sure I'll do fine at it. Making LSD is hard. I know. I'll have to purchase a lab for my basement and all. And study. But if not me then WHO? Where the fuck is all the acid? To all the chemistry majors out there WHY DON'T YOU DO IT....and save me a lot of studying. :cool:

I'm not really gonna eat a casing, even though a guy in guiness world records ate a bicycle before. :grin: However I would like to see some pins soon so I can calm my ass down. :grin:

Thanks, but SOMEBODY has got to make LSD or else this world is going to HELL. :ooo:

The preceeding has been a paid advertisement from the " SOMEBODY LEARN TO COOK LSD" foundation  :grin: :grin: :grin: 


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Re: low jar count [Re: shroomerman]
    #1003730 - 10/29/02 06:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"even though a guy in guiness world records ate a bicycle before."


He damaged himself and needed many operations. IB hes dead by now!
as for the acid, this explains why its dry. No one really knows or has the patience to make acid when they can grow shrooms and weed and also coke much easier and safer. I hear only a handful of chemists are still making acid. Unless more people start making acid, there will be little or no acid. Heck at that rate Ill be lucky if Ill ever be doing acid and any acid is like $20 a blotter and youd need like 5 to trip since there so weak now. Not worth it. Not when the shroom gods smile upon us!


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