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Death Penalty
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I'm curious if all you Hippies are softies or not...

I say kill the fucker...

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Budget concerns force states to reconsider the death penalty

    * Story Highlights
    * At least nine states have bills seeking to abolish or repeal the death penalty
    * Elsewhere, state budget cuts are delaying or halting death penalty trials
    * Colorado bill seeks to use capital case funds for cold case investigations
    * Harris County, Texas, DA Pat Lykos vows to continue seeking death penalty

By Emanuella Grinberg
CNN

(CNN) -- Brian Sanderholm thinks Justin Thurber deserves to die for raping and killing his 19-year-old daughter.

"I believe in an eye for an eye. If you do the crime, you need to have justice," he said. "In the end, it's up to the jury, but all that matters is that he can't hurt anyone again."

But amid a time of economic turmoil some legislators in Kansas and elsewhere say the price of justice is too high. They have introduced legislation to take the death penalty off the books over financial concerns.

Jodi Sanderholm was last seen alive on January 5, 2007, at dance practice at Cowley College in Arkansas City, Kansas, where she was a student and member of the Cowley College Tigerettes Danceline. Her bruised and battered body was found four days later in a pile of brush, bearing signs of a violent and prolonged death that prosecutors likened to torture.

A jury sentenced Thurber to death on February 18. A Kansas court will decide whether to uphold the jury's verdict in a hearing scheduled for March 20.

If Kansas Senate Bill 208 passes as written, it won't take effect until July 1, so it is unlikely to affect Thurber's sentence. But future savings could be substantial.

"Because of the downturn in the national economy, we are facing one of the largest budget deficits in our history," state Sen. Carolyn McGinn, a Republican, said in an opinion piece posted on TheKansan.com Friday. "What is certain is we are all going to have to look at new and creative ways to fund state and community programs and services."

The state would save more than $500,000 per case by not seeking the death penalty, McGinn wrote, money that could be used for "prevention programs, community corrections and other programs to decrease future crimes against society."

Fiscal concerns are just a part of McGinn's argument. She has also cited the disproportionate rate of minorities that are sentenced to death. Kansas reintroduced the death penalty in 1994 but has not executed a condemned inmate since 1965.

Anti-death-penalty groups say longer jury selection, extra expert witnesses, jury consultants and an extended penalty phase tend to make death penalty trials more costly than non-death-penalty cases. Extra safeguards in place to ensure a fair verdict, including additional investigators and defense attorneys certified to handle death cases, who spend more time researching and litigating the case, also drive up costs. See a chart comparing the costs of two murder trials »

A 2008 study by the Urban Institute, an economic and social policy research group based in Maryland, found that an average capital murder trial in the state resulting in a death sentence costs about $3 million, or $1.9 million more than a case where the death penalty is not sought.

A similar 2008 study by the ACLU in Northern California found that a death- penalty trial costs about $1.1 million more than a non-death-penalty trial in California.

McGinn's bill faces opposition from various sides, including victims' rights groups and the state's top prosecutor, who says there are no hard numbers related to the cost of the death penalty.

New Mexico, which also has a bill before the Legislature to abolish the death penalty, has already seen a case where costs dictated the outcome. See which states have bills to get rid of the death penalty »

Last year, the New Mexico attorney general's office agreed to drop the death penalty for two inmates involved in the stabbing death of a guard, Ralph Garcia, during a 1999 riot at the Guadalupe County Correctional Facility.

The change came after the state Legislature failed to provide additional funding for defense attorneys contracted to handle the case by the public defender's office.

In court documents filed at the time, Attorney General Gary King said his office could not "in good faith under these circumstances" pursue the death penalty against Robert Young and Reis Lopez.

Even Garcia's wife lent her voice to the case, writing a letter to then-Assistant Attorney General Michael Fox explaining why she did not support the death penalty.

"I would rather see the death penalty be abolished and reparation be made to the victims, wives or husbands and to their children. I know how hard it is to go look for a job when my job was staying home and taking care of the home and kids and my husband was the breadwinner," Rachel Garcia wrote in a letter dated February 28, 2005.

"My husband would [have] wanted something like this as much as I do because he so much loved his family."

Her sentiments became part a bill to abolish the death penalty that was introduced in 2007 and died on the Senate floor in New Mexico. Its supporters are hopeful it has a better chance this year -- so far, it has passed the House of Representatives and is awaiting action in the Senate.

"I think it helps the debate from being less emotional than it has the potential to be," Democratic Rep. Gail Chasey said. "People will say we can't put a price on justice, but in fact, we do put a price on justice when we are not able to give our district attorneys, our police departments, our attorney general the funding they need."

In Colorado, House Bill 1274 proposes to put the anticipated savings from abolishing the death penalty toward the Colorado Bureau of Investigation's cold case homicide team.

The state has about 1,430 unsolved homicides dating back to 1970, according to Howard Morton, founder of the Families of Homicide Victims and Missing Persons, an advocacy group pushing for the bill.

For Morton, whose son, Guy, disappeared in 1975, the issue goes beyond the misuse of tax dollars. Guy was considered a missing person for 12 years until forensic examination revealed that his remains had been misidentified. His killer was never found.

"As bad as it is to think that our son's killer is still on the streets or in our neighborhoods, there's nothing worse than feeling like he's been forgotten, just another file in a basement," he said. "Once you've had a loved one murdered, there can be no closure, but there can be resolution, the feeling like, oh well, at least justice was done."

Kansas, New Mexico and Colorado, among the states where legislators are seeking to get rid of the death penalty, have carried out few or no executions since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment in 1976. On the other hand, Texas, Georgia and Virginia, which consistently lead the nation in executions each year, show no signs of changing course.

Earlier this month, Virginia's House voted to expand capital punishment to include those who assist in a murder, and those who kill an auxiliary police officer or on-duty fire marshal.

A bill to abolish the death penalty is also before the Texas legislature, but Harris County District Attorney Pat Lykos intends to proceed with 194 pending death penalty cases she has on the books.

"We will spare no expense. We will go after them. Justice has no price tag," Lykos said. "We want to be as cost-effective as possible without compromising the administration of justice and public safety."

Nonetheless, budget concerns in those states still hamper some efforts to seek the death penalty.

In Georgia, where Gov. Sonny Perdue has ordered all government agencies to trim their budgets by 6 percent, Jamie Ryan Weis, on trial for murder, has been sitting in a jail without a lawyer for more than a year.

The Georgia Public Defender Standards Council appointed two private attorneys in 2006 to represent Weis, who is charged with the murder of Catherine King. They were pulled from the case a year later because of a lack of funds, court documents indicate, and the Georgia Public Defender Standards Council has yet to replace them.

"The state basically says we want to have the death penalty and we don't want to pay for it. It's like the state says it's going to the grocery store to buy the most expensive food and it's not going to pay for it," said attorney Don Samuel, one of three attorneys attempting to obtain a lawyer for Weis.

Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard said he plans to seek the death penalty against Weis, no matter how long it takes or how much it costs.

"I think that if you start deciding it's too expensive to pursue the death penalty, then you're encouraging the defense to make it too expensive, and our duty to the public is too great to succumb to that," Ballard said.

Back in Kansas, Brian Sanderholm says the state has a duty to victims, too. He opposes efforts to abolish the death penalty because he says families should be able to weigh in on an appropriate punishment, and juries should render the final outcome.

In fact, if Thurber had admitted sooner to having killed his daughter, the father says he would have accepted a life sentence for him.

But by the time Thurber decided to admit his role and seek a plea deal with prosecutors, his family had already been through too much, Sanderholm says.

"It was too late," Sanderholm said. "We'd struggled so much, but after struggling for two years, we decided we're just going to go on with it."



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Re: Death Penalty [Re: boletusoftruth]
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all in all, I say yes. Though the concept is a bit unsettling to me, and I think that it lets some people get off easy, I still am for the death penalty.

Life in a HARD prison seems more punishment than death. Who knows what happens then :shrug:


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: x2and2makes5]
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I don't believe in the death penalty


No matter what the person has done, I don't think any human has the right to determine who lives or who dies.

It's fucking stupid IMO, and obviously life in prison is more painful that a quick death penalty. It's sad to see people who are locked up and face death, and never having the chance to see the light of day, another chance to bring something positive to the world.

Like that guy who faced death because the actions he made while being a member of the Crips, he was in prison for such a long time, and wrote children books while stuck in a cell, to show the consequences of decisions, then we kill him.

Fucked up.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: I AM SWIM]
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I AM SWIM said:
I don't believe in the death penalty


No matter what the person has done, I don't think any human has the right to determine who lives or who dies.

It's fucking stupid IMO, and obviously life in prison is more painful that a quick death penalty. It's sad to see people who are locked up and face death, and never having the chance to see the light of day, another chance to bring something positive to the world.

Like that guy who faced death because the actions he made while being a member of the Crips, he was in prison for such a long time, and wrote children books while stuck in a cell, to show the consequences of decisions, then we kill him.

Fucked up.



You're thinking of Tookie Williams, and I agree with you.

The way I see it, humans are fallible. If there is any chance that a person was wrongly convicted then I am against the death penalty. So unless the person admitted to said crime, without being coerced then I would not support ending their life.

I'm not sure where my professor got the statistics, but supposedly it is cheaper to incarcerate someone for life, than it is to put them to death(I imagine this has something to do with all the appeals etc). I haven't investigated any further, but if true, that negates another argument for the death penalty.

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Re: Death Penalty [Re: boletusoftruth]
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I say we let the girls father decide what to do with the guy.

If I was in that position, I'd make sure the guy suffered for days before he made his escape from this world.
Imagine the pain and suffering that girl felt while she was tortured and raped to death.
As long as he is bigger/stronger than most of the other dudes in prison, he would live as well as can be in a prison.  Prison isn't too bad if you're near the top of the food chain.

I say don't give him the chance.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: boletusoftruth]
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I agree with it philosophically, but have reservations about its application practically.  I voted sometime.

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Re: Death Penalty [Re: DragonChaser]
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DragonChaser said:
I say we let the girls father decide what to do with the guy.

If I was in that position, I'd make sure the guy suffered for days before he made his escape from this world.
Imagine the pain and suffering that girl felt while she was tortured and raped to death.
As long as he is bigger/stronger than most of the other dudes in prison, he would live as well as can be in a prison.  Prison isn't too bad if you're near the top of the food chain.

I say don't give him the chance.



What would that accomplish?


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: blewmeanie]
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Getting rid of a rapist scumbag, and making him feel some of the pain he inflicted on an innocent young girl is what that would accomplish.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: DragonChaser]
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there is never any justification, reason, or cause that makes it right to take another persons life.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Death Penalty [Re: DragonChaser]
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and i would also note, that the same legal system that is literally taking the lives of the people on death row, is the same one that makes EVERYONE here a criminal, and wrongfully so.
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"Getting rid of a rapist scumbag, and making him feel some of the pain he inflicted on an innocent young girl is what that would accomplish. "



some might say getting rid of a stoner scumbag, would be just as important.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Death Penalty [Re: boletusoftruth]
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I said no...

I've got one reason: humans are not always correct....

There is no justice system in existence that can always be 100% sure they've got the right person. Shit that kind of thing, convicting the wrong person, happens a LOT more than any of us would like to think about! There have even been cases where the cops get a written confession and it turns out to be the wrong person! DNA evidence clears them or something. There have been people who've been in jail for many many years, convicted of murder, and they get turned loose because OOPS! it was the wrong guy.

There probably even has been, though I don't know of any, people who have gotten the death penalty who should have never been in prison to start with.


My way of dealing with crimes? Solitary confinement. Lock the fuckers up for life, and let them rot in there. Prison is too much of a breeze. I say we keep them in solitary 23.5 hours of the day...with only half an hour out for a shower!


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: ZippoZ]
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Capatalistc nomad said:
there is never any justification, reason, or cause that makes it right to take another persons life.



Just stating your opinion as though its a fact isnt a good way to convince anybody of anything.

Ill play your game...

There is plenty of justification, reason, and cause that makes it right to take another persons life.  Convinced?  :lol:

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Re: Death Penalty [Re: ZippoZ]
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There's really no reason for the death penalty other than revenge. It costs too much money, is a bad deterrent of crime, and is at odds with the mores of society. I understand why people think it's acceptable to execute rapists and murderers, but you will really have accomplished nothing. Life in prison is probably a far worse punishment and it's cheaper.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:
Capatalistc nomad said:
there is never any justification, reason, or cause that makes it right to take another persons life.



Just stating your opinion as though its a fact isnt a good way to convince anybody of anything.

Ill play your game...

There is plenty of justification, reason, and cause that makes it right to take another persons life.  Convinced?  :lol:



Thanks, I was just about to say that but you beat me to it.

And Capitalistic- drawing a similarity between getting rid of a perpetrator of a brutal rape and torture+homicide and a perpetrator of a victimless crime like being a stoner is a pretty weak comparison.  Not even hard line conservatives would do that, because even if you're super against weed, on the one hand you have a young, innocent girl being raped and murdered, and on the other you have some dude getting baked.  Even people who are super against drugs can see the difference.

F0SS1L said:
There's really no reason for the death penalty other than revenge. It costs too much money, is a bad deterrent of crime, and is at odds with the mores of society. I understand why people think it's acceptable to execute rapists and murderers, but you will really have accomplished nothing. Life in prison is probably a far worse punishment and it's cheaper.



Its only cheaper because the system is set up to be that way.  A bullet in the back of someone's head costs less than a quarter.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: F0SS1L]
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It is not a bad deterrent for crime at all!  Quite the opposite, nobody who has been executed has ever committed another crime.

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Re: Death Penalty [Re: DieCommie]
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I don't believe in the death penalty. If a rapist is caught, then he should be castrated and jailed. If someone murders someone, then they should have their arms cut off and jailed.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: DieCommie]
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Maybe no, but their family and friends who are embittered by the murder of their friends at the hands of the government have.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: blewmeanie]
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Murder is murder, even justified by law.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Death Penalty [Re: Kada]
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Actually, the mainstream of definition of murder is killing that isnt justified by law.  Otherwise, there would be no reason to have an extra word for killing...

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Re: Death Penalty [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:
It is not a bad deterrent for crime at all!  Quite the opposite, nobody who has been executed has ever committed another crime.



What about the innocent people who get the death penalty as a result of the justice system? Hasn't another crime been committed? Aren't all of us (or, I should say, all of you who live in a country with the death penalty) culpable in this crime?


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