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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: eligal]
    #5405028 - 03/15/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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dude, read my thread, it is much mroe expensive to execute someone do to all the legal barriers... if you want to save tax payers some money, you will keep him with a life sentence.




wrong.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5405044 - 03/15/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I remember when that happened to Geoghan. I know it sounds evil but I actually laughed when I heard about it. He got just what he deserved.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: kilroy69]
    #5405100 - 03/15/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I remember when that happened to Geoghan. I know it sounds evil but I actually laughed when I heard about it. He got just what he deserved.




Hell yeah. Did you see that fucking scumbag priest act all indignant when he was sentenced to prison? He was like, "I shouldn't be punished like this". I smiled when I saw on the news that he'd been offed. I hope that piece of shit suffered as the life ebbed from him.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5405186 - 03/15/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

THAT IS EXACTLY THE REASON. Holy shit. Thats what I remember most about it was the fact that he did not even seem like he had any remorse.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5405234 - 03/15/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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eligal said:


dude, read my thread, it is much mroe expensive to execute someone do to all the legal barriers... if you want to save tax payers some money, you will keep him with a life sentence.




wrong.




its easy to make blank statements isnt it. how about proving it.


" Fact: The death penalty is extraordinarily expensive. Contrary to popular
intuition, a system with a death penalty is vastly more expensive than
one where the maximum penalty is keeping murderers in prison for life.
A 1982 New York study estimated the death penalty cost conservatively at
three times that of life imprisonment, the ratio that Texas (with a system
that is on the brink of collapse due to underfunding) has experienced.
In Florida, each execution runs the state $3,200,000--six times the expense
of life imprisonment. California has succeeded in executing just two defendants
(one a volunteer) since 1976, but could save about $90,000,000 per year
by abolishing the death penalty and resentencing all of its Death Row inmates
to life."


and lets not forget that prisons provide work for our hard working tax payers.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5405241 - 03/15/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I say throw this guy in with the general population at any prison that is notorious for violence. Pedophiles and child killers are always targeted by fellow inmates. This guy would last about five minutes out on the yard.




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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: eligal]
    #5405246 - 03/15/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Where'd you get that info?

I've heard that all my life from various people, and I fail to understand how execution is more costly than lifelong incarceration.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5405257 - 03/15/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

basically before we can execute someone in america, we need to prove them guilty, by all means. and this means several court appeals n such. which is payed by the state.
basically going through all the safe guards to try and stop from executing someone who is actually innocent (or whos crime was not at the extent of what was previously thought).


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: kilroy69]
    #5405265 - 03/15/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How come we cant still do things like our founding fathers would have? When we sentence someone to life all we are doing is putting them in an early retirement home, with A/C, Heat, square meals, television, etc. Granted the food might not be the best, and you dont ever get to see the sunrise. Back in the day we would have hung this same person in the streets of downtown to SET AN EXAMPLE. People hear about the death penalty now a days but its not quite broadcasted on cable TV. I think there would be a lot less crime if the general public had a chance to watch the death of every convicted felon. I bet Washington, Franklin, and the rest of the boys are just rolling in their graves about now.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: rockytop83]
    #5405280 - 03/15/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What would George Washington and Ben Franklin be saying right now if they were alive?


"Help! Help! Let me out of this box! It's dark in here!"


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: eligal]
    #5405291 - 03/15/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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eligal said:
basically before we can execute someone in america, we need to prove them guilty, by all means. and this means several court appeals n such. which is payed by the state.
basically going through all the safe guards to try and stop from executing someone who is actually innocent (or whos crime was not at the extent of what was previously thought).




This is a bogus argument. Before someone can be locked away for life there needs to be a trial proving them guilty. And just because they didn't get the death penalty doesn't mean they can't appeal.


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5405316 - 03/15/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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PLUR, LOL said:
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eligal said:
basically before we can execute someone in america, we need to prove them guilty, by all means. and this means several court appeals n such. which is payed by the state.
basically going through all the safe guards to try and stop from executing someone who is actually innocent (or whos crime was not at the extent of what was previously thought).




This is a bogus argument. Before someone can be locked away for life there needs to be a trial proving them guilty. And just because they didn't get the death penalty doesn't mean they can't appeal.




is that not what i said??


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: rockytop83]
    #5405323 - 03/15/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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How come we cant still do things like our founding fathers would have?  When we sentence someone to life all we are doing is putting them in an early retirement home, with A/C, Heat, square meals, television, etc.  Granted the food might not be the best, and you dont ever get to see the sunrise.  Back in the day we would have hung this same person in the streets of downtown to SET AN EXAMPLE.  People hear about the death penalty now a days but its not quite broadcasted on cable TV.  I think there would be a lot less crime if the general public had a chance to watch the death of every convicted felon.  I bet Washington, Franklin, and the rest of the boys are just rolling in their graves about now.




reminds me of, china was it?, where they had a channel on tv where you could see criminals get killed and/or tortured.... :crazy:


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: eligal]
    #5405325 - 03/15/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No, it isn't. You said those things like they only apply to executions, thus making life sentencing cheaper. Are you forgetting which side of the argument you're on?


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: eligal]
    #5405339 - 03/15/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Don't provoke PLUR, LOL too much eligal.  He'll give you a bad rating!  :sad:


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5405357 - 03/15/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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PLUR, LOL said:
No, it isn't.  You said those things like they only apply to executions, thus making life sentencing cheaper.  Are you forgetting which side of the argument you're on?




im leaning towards getting rid of the death penalty, purely for the economics of it. i think what youre refering to is a regular apeal. where as the perpetrator that is to be executed will get more than just one trial.
i read a few studies on this this week (gotta do a class paper on it) and so far i have yet to find a study which disagrees with what i have just said...

if you can find suitable data showing the contrare, then please post. otherwise your argument has no support.
you need the data boi!! :pirate:


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: eligal]
    #5405364 - 03/15/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you are correct. as strange as it sounds, capital punishment costs far more than life in prison with no parole.

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Prosecuting a death penalty case is extremely expensive for a state and drains money that could be used for education and social programs. It costs more than sentencing a prisoner to life without parole.

The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution than a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment (Duke University, May 1993). In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases.




http://www.aclu.org/capital/facts/10593res20050216.html


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: Vvellum]
    #5405567 - 03/15/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Very interesting, bi0. Thanks for the link. The ACLU doesn't explain why it's more costly to prosecute a death penalty case than a life sentence, though. Is it just because of appeals?


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5405653 - 03/15/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's because they are still in prison 10+ years and many many appeals on top of that. And then the execution.

All in all I would imagine that that equals 20-25 years of someone with life and no death penalty. I'm just guessing, I don't know but I am sure there are statistics somewhere. If I wasn't so high I would look it up.....Anyways, the average life sentence equals out to less than whatever the cost for the death row inmate is.

Not to mention that they completely seperate death row inmates from all of the other ones. I'm sure that that adds a lot of cost as well (more employees, etc.)


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Re: Fla. Girl's Killer Gets Death Sentence [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5405721 - 03/15/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I bet a firing squad's bullets can't cost too much money.


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