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society makes my mental health worse.
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the stress of jobs, education, all the pressures from society make my mental health worse.

one stressful period of time can fuck me up far a while, mood swings, voices, hallucinations, huge urge to get fucked up on any drugs i can get my hands on cause all i wanna do is escape.

No meds really help, i don't like 'em, working with a psychologist for nearly 2 years.

I can't function the way this society does and i won't ever be mentally healthy because of all the pressure and the fast pace. I'm always feeling good in the summer because i can do all the stuff i want then, no pressure, no bullshit.

Every time i have a job or I'm in education, I'll be fine for weeks or months then i just breakdown.
I don't believe we are supposed to live and work some of the ways we do, like drab offices, endless paperwork, bland nutrient-less food, anxiety.

just a random rant

There are many beautiful things about life but they all seem to get smothered in all the other bullshit.

So you're gonna tell me:
Meditation, medication, try this herb, wear this flower in your hair, relax take it easy, play an instrument, drink some water etc.

fuck

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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i know how you feel sometimes, modern shit is all out of whack...


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If you always do what you always did you always get what you always got.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: grymmtymm]
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i feel all good when i'm in the woods building a fire, breathing the fresh air, feels like i'm HOME, and i love life and i have no mental health problems.....then it's back to society....:sad:

Edited by beneath (02/24/09 05:01 PM)

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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Yup:thumbdown:


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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: ShroomMan420]
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I know what you mean. It's an unfortunate reality that we 'have' to work and do all the other bullshit that modern life entails.

I'd love to just go out in the woods and live there with some friends. At the same time, we are social beings and interacting in a society is crucial for brain development and emotional balance. The more often i have to do things that make me uncomfortable, the more comfortable I become with these things.

I often get the feeling of every part of my being yearning to lay in a forest and let the vegetation grow over me and lay there silently, not feeling cold or warmth, just being still and content. To just escape from life. I guess I don't deal all that well with the pressures of everyday life. But I can't just become part of the forest, or go live in the mountains (I know I 'can', but it's not reasonable), so I have to learn how to adjust and cope.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: lukey2411]
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I hear what y'all are saying. I have such heightened senses and am such a sensitive individual, this world kills me a million different ways each day.

This society doesn't have our health and well being in mind, unless you're loaded.


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A society whose whole idea is to eliminate suffering and bring it's members the greatest amount of comfort and pleasure is doomed to be destroyed -Thomas Merton

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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Start doing some stuff which makes you feel free of society. Something really unconventional. Like growing your own food. Or installing solar panels and attempting to free yourself from the electricity grid and create power in a more eco friendly way. Something which gives you purpose and feeling of freedom from society.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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Human beings weren't designed to spend their days in fluorescent cubicle farms constantly being blasted with electronic stimulus.  If it feels shitty and unhealthy for you, it's because it is.  My health is worse when I have to go to that place and deal with corporate robots everyday, no doubt about it.


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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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Human beings weren't designed period.


OP:  Modern western society offers many more option than nearly any other society in history.  Those pressures you feel come from within (or maybe the family).  You dont want to do them, you dont have to.  You can take on as much responsibility as you want... from being a manager/owner of a business to living near a soup kitchen on the street.  Most people choose something in between, but the choice is yours.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: DieCommie]
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You don't know if human beings were designed or not. Period.


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A society whose whole idea is to eliminate suffering and bring it's members the greatest amount of comfort and pleasure is doomed to be destroyed -Thomas Merton

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: lukey2411] * 1
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lukey2411 said:
I know what you mean. It's an unfortunate reality that we 'have' to work and do all the other bullshit that modern life entails.



Nobody has to do anything.  You could sit in the corner of a room and do absolutely nothing for as long as you want.  But obviously you would find it preferable to get up at some point, so you can eat, make a living, or do other things you want to do.  They are all choices.

Don't do anything you don't want to do.  If there is something that you find very important, such as earning money, then recognize that it is you who decided it's important.  So do it without dragging your heels about it, and life will get a whole lot easier. 

I think the problem is assuming this pressure comes from somewhere other than themselves.  All these bad feelings about society, all the 'bullshit'... it comes out of your head, not society.  If society tells you something is important, it isn't important unless you agree.

If it's just a habit of wishing everything was easier, I recommend quitting that habit cold turkey.  That one's a killer, a life-ruiner.  The irony is that it all gets easier when you stop wishing for it to be.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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:heartpump:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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WhiskeyClone said:
lukey2411 said:
I know what you mean. It's an unfortunate reality that we 'have' to work and do all the other bullshit that modern life entails.



Nobody has to do anything.  You could sit in the corner of a room and do absolutely nothing for as long as you want.  But obviously you would find it preferable to get up at some point, so you can eat, make a living, or do other things you want to do.  They are all choices.

Don't do anything you don't want to do.  If there is something that you find very important, such as earning money, then recognize that it is you who decided it's important.  So do it without dragging your heels about it, and life will get a whole lot easier. 

I think the problem is assuming this pressure comes from somewhere other than themselves.  All these bad feelings about society, all the 'bullshit'... it comes out of your head, not society.  If society tells you something is important, it isn't important unless you agree.

If it's just a habit of wishing everything was easier, I recommend quitting that habit cold turkey.  That one's a killer, a life-ruiner.  The irony is that it all gets easier when you stop wishing for it to be.


I agree entirely. Note the apostrophes surrounding "'have'".
I put these there knowing that someone would tell me how we don't 'have' to do anything.
Of course, we don't really have to do much at all, but life can become extremely difficult when you take this route. So the option of not 'having' to do the things we don't like isn't really a practical option for many of us.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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beneath said:
fuck


Go live in a forest and kill anyone who says you have to fit in and pay taxes like the rest of us. Build yourself a shack, get a fire going, hell, even have a garden!

It's hardcore, it's not for everyone, but the people I know that have gone off the grid are some of the happiest and most serene people I know.


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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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I think why it may be so hard to stop it all is up to this point in your life, you've allowed certain thought patterns to form, so much that instead of making a conscious choice in a situation, you react in the way that your thoughts/brain-mind are conditioned to react. It's a matter of purging these thought patterns so that you can make some lee-way for yourself.

I'm addressing this to anyone stuck in this sort of rut (which includes me). Check out The 100% Brain Course by Melvin D. Saunders, it contains tons of healthy excercises for this sort of work (purging obsolete thought patterns). Not that a book will change your life, but if you practice some of the excercises they really help to become a happier, more intelligent, emotionally rounded individual.

I'm not addressing this to any particular poster, just the ones it may pertain too. In no way do I want anyone to think I'm talking down to them as if 'i've made it' or something, cause I sure as hell haven't, but I hope it in some way helped! The resources to change oneself are here now, it's a matter of honing ones mind to be able to accomplish YOUR 'own' will.

Edit: BTW, I've worked with some of the excercises in that book and so far I've seen positive results in several areas of my day to day. Some other reading sources: Undoing Yourself with Energized Meditation, Prometheus Rising, and Angel Tech; A Modern Shamans Guide to Reality Selection. Again, these books won't do jack for you until you decide to use the knowledge within them. Again, this isn't directed at anyone in particular.


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"Cosmic Love is absolutely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lilly


Edited by KetamineKatalyst (02/26/09 06:29 PM)

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: lukey2411]
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lukey2411 said:
Of course, we don't really have to do much at all, but life can become extremely difficult when you take this route. So the option of not 'having' to do the things we don't like isn't really a practical option for many of us.


Doing nothing is not practical, no.  But it's too easy to forget that we are calling the shots, that we are doing things because we want to, rather than have to.  There is a tremendous difference in the enjoyment level between doing something out of a sense of obligation and doing it out of desire. 

You don't even need to do different things to experience this difference; just toss out any thought of being 'forced'.  It keeps your mind on what you want instead of what you don't want.  Big dif.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: whattheheck]
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whattheheck said:
You don't know if human beings were designed or not. Period.


Regardless of whether or not humans were designed, it is impossible to determine what we were designed for or capable of dealing with if we were designed.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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Your society is not THE society.
The world is huge.

Sometimes, it pisses me of how ethnocentrist people whine about their neibourghood being shitty, and calling it "society", or "the world".

However, if you don't think you're in the right place, go somewhere else, move.

Download googleearth and see how big the world is, just go away if things are so bad.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: Kukaracha]
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:thumbup:


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
whattheheck said:
You don't know if human beings were designed or not. Period.


Regardless of whether or not humans were designed, it is impossible to determine what we were designed for or capable of dealing with if we were designed.


:thumbup:

If we were designed, we were NOT designed for modern life. I think that the overall health of our society, metal and physical, reflects that.


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A society whose whole idea is to eliminate suffering and bring it's members the greatest amount of comfort and pleasure is doomed to be destroyed -Thomas Merton

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: beneath]
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beneath said:
the stress of jobs, education, all the pressures from society make my mental health worse.

one stressful period of time can fuck me up far a while, mood swings, voices, hallucinations, huge urge to get fucked up on any drugs i can get my hands on cause all i wanna do is escape.

No meds really help, i don't like 'em, working with a psychologist for nearly 2 years.

I can't function the way this society does and i won't ever be mentally healthy because of all the pressure and the fast pace. I'm always feeling good in the summer because i can do all the stuff i want then, no pressure, no bullshit.

Every time i have a job or I'm in education, I'll be fine for weeks or months then i just breakdown.
I don't believe we are supposed to live and work some of the ways we do, like drab offices, endless paperwork, bland nutrient-less food, anxiety.

just a random rant

There are many beautiful things about life but they all seem to get smothered in all the other bullshit.

So you're gonna tell me:
Meditation, medication, try this herb, wear this flower in your hair, relax take it easy, play an instrument, drink some water etc.

fuck


Most likely your emotional problems stem from the process of brainwashing into this culture. Once you're in you can't get out. Just do your best.:shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: Kukaracha]
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Kukaracha said:
Your society is not THE society.
The world is huge.

Sometimes, it pisses me of how ethnocentrist people whine about their neibourghood being shitty, and calling it "society", or "the world".

However, if you don't think you're in the right place, go somewhere else, move.

Download googleearth and see how big the world is, just go away if things are so bad.


So you can just pull up and move to any ol country and they'll just welcome you in no matter what your resources. Thanks I didn't know.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: Redstorm]
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"If you are feeling mentally unstable and overwhelmed, I suggest trying to abstain from drugs for a little while." ... that's probably what most people would say. But now that I think about it, I would never take that advice. :mushroom2:


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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: Icelander]
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He'd be welcomed in many places.
As I said before, the world is big. Like... big.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:
OP:  Modern western society offers many more option than nearly any other society in history.  Those pressures you feel come from within (or maybe the family). 


I agree with this statement.  Yes, modern society has pressures.  I think I'd rather deal with the modern era, then say, knowing if I don't farm the land, I'm going to die once winter comes and I run out of food and slowly starve to death. 

I don't think one can make the argument that exhausting, physical labor is the way we were "meant" to live either (or any other way for that matter).


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: badchad]
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I wouldn't be so sure. I feel so 'free' and 'real' when I'm going for a long run or a hard work. I feel like I can just shake off everything that usually weighs me down (and gets me down.) The feeling of extreme contentment at the end of an intensely long and hard day is pretty hard to match.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: Etherealfeeling]
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Etherealfeeling said:
"If you are feeling mentally unstable and overwhelmed, I suggest trying to abstain from drugs for a little while." ... that's probably what most people would say. But now that I think about it, I would never take that advice. :mushroom2:


I would recommend it.

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Re: society makes my mental health worse. [Re: Redstorm]
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I could recommend plenty of things.
But doing them, or wanting to are different.    Not even needing to in the first place, is another reality tunnel altogether.

I nearly couldn't get past the thread title- 'Someone else is responsible for me'- Hahahahahahahahaahahahaahahahaahah.

Fuck.

(incase of any misinepretation, I mean only the best and wish you well)

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