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Offlineclumbsy_smurf
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Potency Difference
    #975679 - 10/19/02 11:52 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

everyone says that cubensis is at it's highest potency when they are harvested right as the veil starts to tear. I was wondering the potency difference between those and one's grown for spore printing. How much potency is lost.

Do they actualy loose psilocybin content, or do they just stay at the same content but weigh more?


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #975695 - 10/19/02 11:58 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

This has a lot of views to it... I'm not exactly sure when its potency is at a peak, but I like to pick mine 2-5 days after the veil tears as long as it is big enough.


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #975979 - 10/20/02 02:50 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

I really dont believe there will be a noticible difference in potency.


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #976330 - 10/20/02 05:34 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

the veil is irrelevant and does not effect potency


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #976347 - 10/20/02 05:56 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

I think he's saying that the veil is indicitive of maturity.
My SWAK is that the mushie stops increasing potentcy, and merely increases in size, thus diluting potency(pergram).
One vender says that 1oz of large shroom"X" produces 5-6 trips, but an oz.of small mushies of the same strain will produce 20+ trips.


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #976374 - 10/20/02 06:26 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

Well put  :smirk:
What does SWAK mean?


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: zeta]
    #976669 - 10/20/02 11:47 AM (15 years, 20 hours ago)

I entered SWAK in my Babylon Translator and it gave me:
Quote:

SWAK (Sealed with a Kiss)
Der Gru? der benutzt wird um eine romantische Koversation zu beenden. (Abk?rzung im Internet)



So in English: Used to end a romantic conversation. SWAK is the abbreviation.
Anyway: I dont think he meant that! (So why did I post it then?  :confused: Dunno!  :wink: :tongue:  ) 


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #977077 - 10/20/02 03:11 PM (15 years, 16 hours ago)

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Re: Potency Difference [Re: ralphster44]
    #977906 - 10/20/02 09:54 PM (15 years, 9 hours ago)

well, i've gone beyond listening to what vendors say, i'd rather listen to actual people, not a sales pitch. it seems that actual people dont notice much, but has anyone noticed any considerable difference?


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #977932 - 10/20/02 10:03 PM (15 years, 9 hours ago)

Vendors are actual people, just actual people that sell spores, and how would that advice be a sales pitch?


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Skikid16]
    #977943 - 10/20/02 10:06 PM (15 years, 9 hours ago)

Some vendors grow mushrooms for scientific purposes, or have access to scientific studies (ie sporeworks). When they say there are differences in potency, they could be talking about undetectable differences that are only noticed in extractions.


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Skikid16]
    #977997 - 10/20/02 10:26 PM (15 years, 9 hours ago)

well, it's called advertisement.

you ever watch those infomercials at night? how the product is really wonderfull on tv, but if you ever buy it, or know someone who's bought it, it's not quite as good as they say they are. (with the exception of ginsu)

i'm sure we've all heard about some vendors calling certain strains cubensis/azurcens hybreeds because thier "really super potent" but it turns out thier wrong?

think about it. they can actualy make more money this way. If you dont grow your mushrooms to maturity for spore printing because you want some 'super potent' shrooms, they will keep having to buy new syringes/prints. Now i know most people will still grow to get prints, but think of the person who dont know any better. The reason why people buy grow kits is cause they dont know any better. (with the exception of some)


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #978018 - 10/20/02 10:30 PM (15 years, 9 hours ago)

Harvest all but one or two fruit bodies that will be used to make prints, problem solved. Damn dude, Ralph is a good guy, and he lends a helping hand more than he should, next time if you don't want vendors answering, then say it before a vendor goes out of his way to answer you, but if I were you, I would take any help I could get.


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Skikid16]
    #978067 - 10/20/02 10:44 PM (15 years, 9 hours ago)

In reply to:

One vender says that 1oz of large shroom"X" produces 5-6 trips, but an oz.of small mushies of the same strain will produce 20+ trips.





is what i was refering to. which seems a bit too outrageous. i didnt even see that it was ralphster who answered. when he answered he had good input. i clicked on the first 'reply' i saw and it just happened to be him. i dont usualy look at the names of people.



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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #978091 - 10/20/02 10:52 PM (15 years, 8 hours ago)

Right on, I was wondering why you were like that towards Ralph's good natured advice. As for your question, I don't really know, I haven't done enough "experiments" to really be able to say for sure.


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Skikid16]
    #978655 - 10/21/02 04:14 AM (15 years, 3 hours ago)

A mushroom is a mushroom is a mushroom.
It`s really difficult to ever notice a potency variation unless the strain is concerned.
With one strain the chances are tiny


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #978850 - 10/21/02 06:06 AM (15 years, 1 hour ago)

This thread is interestering lets keep it up



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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Anonymous]
    #979219 - 10/21/02 08:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Scientific studies? Really? Ive read many studies and none of them have ever indicated that the veil had any effec on the potency of a mushroom fruit.
For a start different spore-races of cubensis lose their veil at different stages in their maturity - some very early - and i doubt that these mushroom go to double in size yet stop producing alkaloids at the early stage where their veil broke.
Mushrooms continue to produce alkaloids right up until the drop their spores.


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[Re: Zen Peddler]
    #979307 - 10/21/02 09:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Potency Difference [Re: matts]
    #979525 - 10/21/02 12:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Im not sure what your graph represents though, because the whole premise has never been proven. I understand what PF and others are trying to say in that the mushroom stops producing alkaloids at the point of the veil breaking and does not lose potency, but at the end of the day all the evidence ive seen and from many many personal bioassays, have all very much indicated otherwise.
It has been hard enough to actually demonstrate when the mycelia actually begins to produce these alkaloids, and there is no evidence that ive read that has indicated that the mycelia/fruit stops producing alkaloids at any particular stage in its life cycle.


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