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Invisiblevildechayea
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Registered: 10/03/02
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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #979585 - 10/21/02 12:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Not being a botanist, but you do see the active chemical in plants being related to reproduction in a number of species, e.g. resin in female chronic nugs, opiates in developing poppies. Some mushies, like Amazon, let you wait a while after the veil breaks before they drop their spores...others, like Hawaiin, seem quick to sporulate after veil breakage. I guess some folks are saying no psilocybin loss, even as a percentage of weight, after sporulation even, and I'd love that to be true 'cause they're bigger & prettier with their umbrellas fully deployed.

On the potency by strain issue, I have found the Thai's to be outstanding. Recently attained a Level 2 trip on .45 gm of Lipa Yai, and another trip - Level 3 - on .6 gm of Lipa Yai. And yeah, I've been around the block.

Just my .02

v


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Invisible1stimer
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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #980142 - 10/21/02 04:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

ive always debated this to myself if they actually lose potency after the veil breaks. someone show me some evidence either way.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
i agree. Lipa yais are great.


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #980198 - 10/21/02 05:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

feel free to call me a noob
(which i obviously am)
but...
it seems like, besides cultivation information
no one seems to know jack shit about the specifics of mushrooms
i've been reading these forums for months now,
and every question seems to be talked around, ignored,
or answered with a quote from another person who probably didn't know for sure
in the first place...
don't take this as a flame,
i just wonder how reliable any information may be...
i know the cultivation info is good... the proof is in my fruits  :tongue:
are all the knowledgeable people just not avid posters?
peace
 


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Re: Potency Difference [Re: xfluffybunnyx]
    #980441 - 10/21/02 07:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Im sure there are people on this site who know more than academics do about these mushrooms.


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Offlinexfluffybunnyx
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Re: Potency Difference [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #980561 - 10/21/02 08:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

didn't really aim that at this board,
or the shroomery, or the people, their cousins, uncles, mommas, and rabbits
that post here
just meant,
it seems there isn't much reliable info on these mushrooms at all
everything in existence seems to have been tested, studied, and examined
i'm just supprised at the lack of details available


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Invisiblevildechayea
shodan

Registered: 10/03/02
Posts: 107
Re: Potency Difference [Re: xfluffybunnyx]
    #980638 - 10/21/02 08:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

From what I've seen, there's only 2 or 3 academic writers on the subject of cultivation and usage of psilocybe cubensis. Historically, governments have discouraged exploration of most psychoactive plants. If there was easily obtainable, reliable and diverse information on shrooms available, this board wouldn't exist, nor would boards for herpes, adoption, antiwar etc exist. We're all wandering around in the dark trying to help each other out by passing along our experiences. It's one of the amazing things about our times and the 'net: the ability to form an electronic community that fills a void in our society. The Web has enabled the proliferation of spore prints & syringes & mycobags & pods. I'd wager there's more shroom growing and usage than ever in history, by shear numbers. But I also think that because of 9/11, Iraq, thrax, DC shooter, etc that the law enforcement has other priorities right now, as well. While shroomers are, in the establishment view, a threat to the entrenched power structure (a la Politics of Ecstasy), usage of the fungus has not produced significant numbers of suicides, OD's, psychoses etc. Therefore, I'd suspect there'll be some tolerance for awhile. What worries me is the size and commercialism of some spore vendors (not the ones here) will lead to concerns about younger people getting hurt, and hence a clampdown. If we're all cool and somewhat responsible (e.g. not leaving the unlabeled blue honey jar out at the church picnic) then we can enjoy sharing our experiences here, and maybe making the world better, for sometime to come.

Sorry for the rambling soap box rant...

Peace, love & crunchy granola to all!

v


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Invisiblematts
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Registered: 01/28/02
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[Re: Zen Peddler]
    #981093 - 10/21/02 11:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)



Edited by matts (10/21/02 11:30 PM)


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Anonymous

Re: Potency Difference [Re: clumbsy_smurf]
    #981547 - 10/22/02 01:41 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

When you harvest a flush of mushrooms, you wind up with many different size mushrooms, at various stages of developement.  If it was a good strain grown properly, the majority of pins from the original pin set matured, and sporulated. :smile:

A mycelial network is not continuous system of identical factors.  The pins that matured, did so, because the mycelial network in the immediate area had stored sufficient nutrients, and had access to sufficient moisture.  This is not exact from pin to pin, and hence mushroom to mushroom. Resulting MUSHROOMS have VARIABLE concentrations of goodies within them.  This is about the only thing that has been CONSISTENTLY determined, by measuring GOODIE content scientifically.  That every mushroom has a different concentration of goodies.

The likely hood of consuming X amount of HIGH concentration shrooms increases with the quantity of shrooms that make up a given dose.  If you grow your shrooms to there FULL POTENTIAL, ie sporulation, they tend to be larger, and weigh more.  So fewer shrooms make up a dose.  Fewer chances to get alot of GOOD potency shrooms.

5 grams of aborts is a shit load of mushrooms.  Your chances of getting a shit load of POTENT shrooms are increased over say eating ONE large shroom that dries to 5 grams, and might not be SO potent of a shroom.

It all had absolutely nothing to do with when there Veils broke, it was simple in relation to the QUANTITY of mushrooms making up your dose.

When you look at Potency charts for Pan. cyans, they really aren't that much more potent then cubensis, when combining Psilocybin and Psilocin together.  Cubies are actually sufficiently potent, when you do this.  The simple fact is, one in ten mushrooms might be at the HIGH END of POTENCY for the Strain/species.  If your dose is made up of 20-50 mushrooms, versus, 1-10 mushrooms, your chance of having your DICK knocked around in the dirt would increase with the LARGER number of shrooms, and Increased chance of consuming the POTENT shrooms in the bunch you grew.

Aborts themselves will show the same variability from abort to abort, but HOW many aborts make up a dose? :tongue: 


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OfflineLortimus
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Bud actuality [Re: Anonymous]
    #4029168 - 04/08/05 01:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

>e.g. resin in female chronic nugs, opiates in developing poppies.

Wrong.

Usually natural bud (growing without human interaction) isnt as chronic as human bud. and is exposed to males. Giving it Seeds, however when you find chronic it was likely grown inside (good good not just good) away from males. The idea that Resin stops seed development is a misconception.


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