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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.

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Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed-and no republic can survive.

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Ignorance is bliss.

All you are saying is that you only care for yourself.

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i did state my opinion "who gives a fuck"

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Some of you say u r done with arguing
well, don't argue it then! \Don't even read it! (irony)

Once again, people resort to ad hom (robbyberto) as predicted by my original post and still nothing to backup their so called logic!

If I'm a moron by studying something unbiasedly and presenting facts for my suspicions then fuck knows wat that makes someone who believes what is spoon fed to them without question and has to resort to ad hom because they have no research or evidence at all.


The first person to explain to me how you can demolish an entire building and its steels without a plane even hitting it (building 7) wins a cookie!!  Ad hom and half assed opinions will not win you any cookies.


KAKE & Visionarytools - U guys are completely correct but ultimately this debating is what the gov has relied upon.  If the people cannot unite - then they cannot unite against them.  Lets face it - for those who don't really care (the majority of fat assed, dumbed down, self-obsessed humans today in our modern world) they are the masses.  The majority who follow like sheep, eating their chips while watching their brainwash box.  Until the majority open their eyes and stand up together - nothing can change.

kake said:

You people really have trouble thinking outside the box.

All I ever hear is... the government planned it, or the government didn't plan it.

Consider for a moment this: perhaps the buildings were demo'd, but what if that had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11?

Here is just one example... it be hard to believe, but if you say it's impossible, you're living in a fantasy-world. Hypothetical: For some fucked up reason that the government doesn't want to tell you (because it means shit would really hit the fan at the top top levels, people would go to jail, etc? who knows), those buildings were rigged. Can anyone think of any reasons why we might rig our own WTC buildings, negating any possibility of planes crashing into them? Perhaps we (and when I say we, I mean some small group of top top level government officials) were in on it and decided if the Arabs failed their mission, we would blow those buildings up anyway and blame it on them. I don't really know and I don't think we're going to find out any day soon...

my point is, you people simply piggyback on the ideas of others. I have seen not a single original theory on this board about 9/11.

The conspiracy theorists - some of them are out of their mind. OK we know that.

The anti-conspiracy-theorists - some of them think George Bush is the greatest president we've ever had. OK, we also know that.

When you can stop subconsciously grouping anyone who takes a stand on one side or the other of this issue, then perhaps we can have a meaningful debate. But all I see is a bunch of black-vs-white arguing going on.

Don't you get it? We should all be on the same fucking side here!

Wouldn't it be convenient for the thieves if there was such a mess of confusing facts and false-leads, that people became so busy arguing about them while the pick-pockets were making off with your wallets?

How can ANYONE be comfortable with the amount of questions that went unanswered by the government? I don't care if you believe we have the whole truth or a complete fabrication. EVERYONE should be asking questions, and believe me, there are a LOT to be asked in this issue.

These 911 debunking sites, half of them are just as fucking full of misinformation as the conspiracy sites. Shouldn't the GOVERNMENT be responsible for providing its citizens with reliable information, considering this was the worst attack on American soil in this country's history?

WHAT

THE

FUCK

IS

WRONG

WITH

YOU

PEOPLE?!?


WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

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truekimbo2 said:

hmm, i'm not sure what to believe

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Ego Death said:

So to all the people claiming us conspirators as tinfoil hat wearing crazies.

I offer you a chance to put forward your evidence not your opinion.

Heres what I have accumulated so far...

Building seven collapsed despite not even being hit by a plane.

The governments official explanation for all 3 collapses was fire.

Its scientifically impossible for a normal fire to melt steel.  To melt steel requires a substance the burns at an extremely high temperature such as thermite.

There were traces of thermite found by Dr. Steven Jones (physics professor) after he studied melted steel with electron microscope analysis.

For over 6 weeks after the incident pools of molten metal were found with temperatures over 2000 degrees, thats 500 degrees hotter than jet fuel burns at.  The molten metal was also found under building 7 (keep in mind it was not even hit by a plane!) and the official reports have made no comments on these facts.

The video cameras showing what actually hit the pentagon were confiscated by the FBI and the department of justice have refused to release them.  Surely they WOULD release them, unless they were hiding something.

Where were the bodies and the remains of the plane?  Vaporised by jet fuel - not likely, science says its impossible.

No response from NORAD, why?

The American authorities did not manage to trace the source of the money used to fund the terrorist attacks.  They officially stated it was "of little practical significance".  Huh???  WHY?  Its of huge significance!  Finding out who has funded the alleged attack!


Ted Gunderson (former FBI chief) stated that the 1993 bombing of the WTC was orchestrated by the FBI.


Anyway thats a few things for you 'skeptics' to research and explain before you start calling people crazy - without any evidence.
Now - Prove us wrong!

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