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9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy
#7573676 - 10/29/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So to all the people claiming us conspirators as tinfoil hat wearing crazies.
I offer you a chance to put forward your evidence not your opinion.
Heres what I have accumulated so far...
Building seven collapsed despite not even being hit by a plane.
The governments official explanation for all 3 collapses was fire.
Its scientifically impossible for a normal fire to melt steel. To melt steel requires a substance the burns at an extremely high temperature such as thermite.
There were traces of thermite found by Dr. Steven Jones (physics professor) after he studied melted steel with electron microscope analysis.
For over 6 weeks after the incident pools of molten metal were found with temperatures over 2000 degrees, thats 500 degrees hotter than jet fuel burns at. The molten metal was also found under building 7 (keep in mind it was not even hit by a plane!) and the official reports have made no comments on these facts.
The video cameras showing what actually hit the pentagon were confiscated by the FBI and the department of justice have refused to release them. Surely they WOULD release them, unless they were hiding something.
Where were the bodies and the remains of the plane? Vaporised by jet fuel - not likely, science says its impossible.
No response from NORAD, why?
The American authorities did not manage to trace the source of the money used to fund the terrorist attacks. They officially stated it was "of little practical significance". Huh??? WHY? Its of huge significance! Finding out who has funded the alleged attack!
Ted Gunderson (former FBI chief) stated that the 1993 bombing of the WTC was orchestrated by the FBI.
Anyway thats a few things for you 'skeptics' to research and explain before you start calling people crazy - without any evidence. Now - Prove us wrong!
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7573685 - 10/29/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Someone refuted all of this in the last 9/11 thread.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: mushroomplume]
#7573690 - 10/29/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good for them - they have evidence? NO.
I win 
I wanna see people argue with the science. Has science lied to us about steels melting point? Don't even argue saying it was freak jet fuel before you explain building 7.
ALL I SEE IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T RESEARCHED SIMPLY RESORT TO AD HOM. WHAT DOES THAT SHOW THEM UP TO BE? IDIOTIC BULLIES WITH NO PROOF.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7573695 - 10/29/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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go look up popular mechanics issue on this subject, type in something like "popular mechanics 9/11 conspiracy" and they negate your claims pretty well
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7573704 - 10/29/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ego death... i dont understand why this topic bothers u so much... no one else in england gives a fuck
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7573710 - 10/29/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7573711 - 10/29/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I offer you a chance to put forward your evidence not your opinion.
ARE YOU BLIND?
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7573713 - 10/29/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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uarewotueat said: ego death... i dont understand why this topic bothers u so much... no one else in england gives a fuck
He's probably like me and all forms of ignorance/disregard bother him. He probably feels compelled to win an argument.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7573716 - 10/29/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ignorance is bliss.
All you are saying is that you only care for yourself.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7573723 - 10/29/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i did state my opinion "who gives a fuck"
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7573732 - 10/29/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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He's probably like me and all forms of ignorance/disregard bother him. He probably feels compelled to win an argument.
lol i dont know how many times this topic has been discussed... but no one has ever come to any conclusion either way... ego death couldnt win an argument with himself...
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7573758 - 10/29/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The level to which this conspiracy is true. But there are a few things we know for sure.. Without those buildings falling would could never have had a war with Iraq, They had to unite this country through a common fear of "terrorists" and WMA's. We had plenty of warning. Something that seems very odd is that the Bin Laden have a house right outside CIA headquarters. What foreign person would want to be located so near an agency that clearly would have interest in their family. One would think a good place for a home would be somewhere else. The fact is. Big business control the American world as wee know it. Business decision must be made, and one always incurs costs in order to move forward. Look up the Lusitania, we sent over 1000 people to a watery grave in order to unite the country against the Nazi regime. It's always been about business, business is notoriously corrupt with many back door agreements. I love Apple and they make an amazing product. One would be simple to think Cingular and Apple didn't have back room verbal agreements about the iphone that would have been illegal if put in writing and discovered. Much like the 9/11 report... some things can't are best left off the record.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: verminofmsu]
#7573822 - 10/29/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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"There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting."
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7573837 - 10/29/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This has all been covered before ad nauseam.
Just use the "search" feature and append to an existing topic instead of starting the one millionth thread on the same subject.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7573877 - 10/29/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The whole WTC ordeal smells fishy to its core.
Are the governments using this event to increase their power over people indefinitely?
Without a doubt.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7573893 - 10/29/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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christ, not again...
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7573934 - 10/29/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: christ, not again...
My thoughts exactly. I'm actually on the fence on this issue, but it's been talked to death to the point where I don't even care anymore.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Silversoul]
#7574125 - 10/29/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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ToTheSummit said: christ, not again...
My thoughts exactly. I'm actually on the fence on this issue, but it's been talked to death to the point where I don't even care anymore.
Ya. No one will ever agree either way.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: The_Ghost]
#7574274 - 10/29/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: christ, not again...
My thoughts exactly. I'm actually on the fence on this issue, but it's been talked to death to the point where I don't even care anymore.
Ya. No one will ever agree either way.
exactly. im done fucking arguing this topic. i agree that many things happened that day and the days/months/years leading up to that day that many of us will simply never know. many things do not add up. it is ubsurd to think that the entire government was in on it, its simply ridiculous, our government is a multi headed beast, each with a brain of its own. the people who claim our GOVERNMENT planned and orchestrated 9/11 are doing more harm than good to the truth and those who are trying to expose it. did elements within our government have something to do with it? probably. but they were most certainly a select few, a very powerful few with ties all around the world. stop saying the government did it. it did not.
i am simply tired of arguing about this, the fact is many of us believe something fishy happened, many of us think the others are crazy. both sides fight, both sides spew false evidence and ridiculous statements, which adds to the melee, confusion and anger from both sides to the other.
my personal opinion is the story we were spoon fed was a crock of shit. do i think 9/11 was used to the current administrations advantage? yes. do i think a handful of towelheads took over 4 planes and subdued dozens of passengers with box cutters? no. do i care to argue about it? no. you cant argue when so many people are ignorant.
oh and one last thing. popular mechanics is full of shit. just like the 9/11 commission was. both reports are full of nonsense.
that is all.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: The_Ghost]
#7574303 - 10/29/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If the evidence was as bulletproof as a lot of you claim to say it is, the issue would have inevitably faded away long ago. Suffice to say though.. nothing I've read (and I've read the sites I've been referred to) covers building seven to the point where I say "Hey.. I may be wrong".
-the passport being 'found' by the towers of the 'terrorist' - in mint condition. -the names of the plane highjackers being released.. meanwhile some of them are still alive.. as a normal member of society (nothing to do with 9/11) -engineers backing the demolition theory -worldwide protests, protesters being educated on the subject and not just band wagoners -9/11 leading to patriot act (parallels between reichstag building fire and enabling act in nazi germany) -the overall bad vibes i get from the american government (bush/kerry secret societies, aristocratic bloodlines, mass media propaganda, oil tycoonery, 1953 Iran/CIA oil events, etc.) -confiscated pentagon tapes (why? why? why?) -laughable flight 53(?) that crashed in the field (the 'crash' has been described as a hole with some broken machinery around it; nothing at all like a plane crash) -medias total lack of explanation for building 7 -9/11 commission report lacking proper explanation -Bin Laden being on the CIAs payroll -American defenses being lowered and fighter jets sent on some random mission on 9/11
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: WScott]
#7574348 - 10/29/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have refuted all of these before. You truthers are quite ignorant. Seriously, google is your friend.
Oh, and to the first post your "Dr." Steven Jones is a cold fusion expert...um...that doesn't exist. So 1st he's no kinematic physicist and second no self-respecting physicist works on "cold fusion". I'm pretty sure it violates thermodynamics. (Laymen understanding)
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7574409 - 10/29/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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this shit is totally untrue and a waste of time for anyone that has enough of a brain to research the subject. Also, it makes people that have legitimate grievances with the government right now look really stupid because 9/11 truthers are obnoxiously ignorant assholes that parade around with "facts" about as reliable as someone claiming to have a roswell alien's arm.
I'm not trying to trash talk, I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that 9/11 was not bombed, OBVIOUSLY.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: StanleyPain]
#7574428 - 10/29/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No way man. Open ended, ridiculous observations by people who have no idea what their talking about and are supported by youtube videos are usually correct. Come on and tell me I'm a sheep, close minded, etc. Wrong. I'm logical and you're a moron(ego death).
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: robbyberto]
#7574439 - 10/29/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually chuckled reading that thanks.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7574479 - 10/29/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is another account of gasoline fire causing steel to lose integrity and collapse. This time it was a small bridge, and a wreaked tanker.
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http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_119083701.html -Intense heat from the flames exceeded 2,750 degrees and caused the steel beams holding up the interchange from eastbound I-80 to eastbound Interstate 580 above to buckle and bolts holding the structure together to melt, causing a 250-yard section of the roadway to collapse onto the roadway below, California Department of Transportation director Will Kempton said.
Hmm, dept of transportation. Maybe another hoax by the government to support the 'official story'?
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7574567 - 10/29/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That one was also the government.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: MiddleFinger]
#7574803 - 10/29/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7574829 - 10/29/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would the government want to do that to their people?
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Cheezit]
#7574849 - 10/29/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cheezit said: Why would the government want to do that to their people?
That's gotta be the easiest question for a 9/11 Truther to answer. Regardless of whether you believe the conspiracy theory, it's hard to deny that this administration has exploited the 9/11 tragedy to further its own political agenda. If you go back and read some of the early documents from the Project for the New American Century(to which several members of the Bush administration belonged), you see they were advocating many of the things the Bush administration has done since 9/11, using that tragedy as a premise. If the 9/11 tragedy is a government conspiracy, it would not be the first time a government sacrificed its own citizens for political gain.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Silversoul]
#7574880 - 10/29/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7575270 - 10/30/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You people really have trouble thinking outside the box.
All I ever hear is... the government planned it, or the government didn't plan it.
Consider for a moment this: perhaps the buildings were demo'd, but what if that had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11?
Here is just one example... it be hard to believe, but if you say it's impossible, you're living in a fantasy-world. Hypothetical: For some fucked up reason that the government doesn't want to tell you (because it means shit would really hit the fan at the top top levels, people would go to jail, etc? who knows), those buildings were rigged. Can anyone think of any reasons why we might rig our own WTC buildings, negating any possibility of planes crashing into them? Perhaps we (and when I say we, I mean some small group of top top level government officials) were in on it and decided if the Arabs failed their mission, we would blow those buildings up anyway and blame it on them. I don't really know and I don't think we're going to find out any day soon...
my point is, you people simply piggyback on the ideas of others. I have seen not a single original theory on this board about 9/11.
The conspiracy theorists - some of them are out of their mind. OK we know that.
The anti-conspiracy-theorists - some of them think George Bush is the greatest president we've ever had. OK, we also know that.
When you can stop subconsciously grouping anyone who takes a stand on one side or the other of this issue, then perhaps we can have a meaningful debate. But all I see is a bunch of black-vs-white arguing going on.
Don't you get it? We should all be on the same fucking side here!
Wouldn't it be convenient for the thieves if there was such a mess of confusing facts and false-leads, that people became so busy arguing about them while the pick-pockets were making off with your wallets?
How can ANYONE be comfortable with the amount of questions that went unanswered by the government? I don't care if you believe we have the whole truth or a complete fabrication. EVERYONE should be asking questions, and believe me, there are a LOT to be asked in this issue.
These 911 debunking sites, half of them are just as fucking full of misinformation as the conspiracy sites. Shouldn't the GOVERNMENT be responsible for providing its citizens with reliable information, considering this was the worst attack on American soil in this country's history?
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: kake]
#7575367 - 10/30/07 03:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just keep arguing back and fourth over one day's event. Ignore the six years of tyranny that have emerged from it. Ignore the police brutality. Ignore two fucked up nations poisoned by war that will now be terrorist threats. Ignore the backhander deals to companies that give Cheney and Bush significant donations. Ignore the torture, the bloodshed, the mercenary armies, the war on the the american people. Ignore globalism and the formation of African, North american and eventually Asian unions absolving nation states of their liberty.
Just keep shouting back and fourth "Parrafin can burn down steel/Nuh uh!"
911 and the british broadcasting conspiracy
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: trepanib]
#7575420 - 10/30/07 04:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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> I have refuted all of these before.
It doesn't matter because their minds are made up and are not going to change regardless of how much evidence they have to ignore... though they do buy lots of books, thus there is good money in pushing the conspiracies.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Seuss]
#7575491 - 10/30/07 05:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The 20 bill speaks the truth... All the evidence I need, hurumph
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: dr_gonz]
#7575541 - 10/30/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well whatever... This administration (and giulliani) have clearly use 9.11 for their stupid ends, but that doesn't mean they caused it. Just means they're exploitative pricks... and I allready knew that
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7575544 - 10/30/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh please... dont side with rosie odonnel
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7575608 - 10/30/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Go meditate, trip, make art or love, work on your Self (learn to be present in the NOW).
This whole debatable debacle is yet another way for THEM to keep us asleep...
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Middleman]
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#7575639 - 10/30/07 07:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Selective perception: Mentally screening out information or opinions with which one disagrees.
I think we're all doing it here. This is pointless.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: robbyberto]
#7575726 - 10/30/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.
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Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed-and no republic can survive.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Stizzle]
#7581068 - 10/31/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ignorance is bliss.
All you are saying is that you only care for yourself.
Urwotueat, thanks for proving my point by then saying this
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i did state my opinion "who gives a fuck"

Some of you say u r done with arguing well, don't argue it then! \Don't even read it! (irony)
Once again, people resort to ad hom (robbyberto) as predicted by my original post and still nothing to backup their so called logic!
If I'm a moron by studying something unbiasedly and presenting facts for my suspicions then fuck knows wat that makes someone who believes what is spoon fed to them without question and has to resort to ad hom because they have no research or evidence at all.
The first person to explain to me how you can demolish an entire building and its steels without a plane even hitting it (building 7) wins a cookie!! Ad hom and half assed opinions will not win you any cookies.
KAKE & Visionarytools - U guys are completely correct but ultimately this debating is what the gov has relied upon. If the people cannot unite - then they cannot unite against them. Lets face it - for those who don't really care (the majority of fat assed, dumbed down, self-obsessed humans today in our modern world) they are the masses. The majority who follow like sheep, eating their chips while watching their brainwash box. Until the majority open their eyes and stand up together - nothing can change.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: kake]
#7584550 - 11/01/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kake said: You people really have trouble thinking outside the box.
All I ever hear is... the government planned it, or the government didn't plan it.
Consider for a moment this: perhaps the buildings were demo'd, but what if that had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11?
Here is just one example... it be hard to believe, but if you say it's impossible, you're living in a fantasy-world. Hypothetical: For some fucked up reason that the government doesn't want to tell you (because it means shit would really hit the fan at the top top levels, people would go to jail, etc? who knows), those buildings were rigged. Can anyone think of any reasons why we might rig our own WTC buildings, negating any possibility of planes crashing into them? Perhaps we (and when I say we, I mean some small group of top top level government officials) were in on it and decided if the Arabs failed their mission, we would blow those buildings up anyway and blame it on them. I don't really know and I don't think we're going to find out any day soon...
my point is, you people simply piggyback on the ideas of others. I have seen not a single original theory on this board about 9/11.
The conspiracy theorists - some of them are out of their mind. OK we know that.
The anti-conspiracy-theorists - some of them think George Bush is the greatest president we've ever had. OK, we also know that.
When you can stop subconsciously grouping anyone who takes a stand on one side or the other of this issue, then perhaps we can have a meaningful debate. But all I see is a bunch of black-vs-white arguing going on.
Don't you get it? We should all be on the same fucking side here!
Wouldn't it be convenient for the thieves if there was such a mess of confusing facts and false-leads, that people became so busy arguing about them while the pick-pockets were making off with your wallets?
How can ANYONE be comfortable with the amount of questions that went unanswered by the government? I don't care if you believe we have the whole truth or a complete fabrication. EVERYONE should be asking questions, and believe me, there are a LOT to be asked in this issue.
These 911 debunking sites, half of them are just as fucking full of misinformation as the conspiracy sites. Shouldn't the GOVERNMENT be responsible for providing its citizens with reliable information, considering this was the worst attack on American soil in this country's history?
WHAT
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WRONG
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PEOPLE?!?
WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!
smartest person in the room.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#9655683 - 01/21/09 10:31 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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hmm, i'm not sure what to believe
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: truekimbo2]
#9655733 - 01/21/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: truekimbo2]
#9655759 - 01/21/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: hmm, i'm not sure what to believe
believe that if you bump another antiquated 9.11 thread I'll slap the ban on ya
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#9655923 - 01/21/09 11:07 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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Ego Death said: So to all the people claiming us conspirators as tinfoil hat wearing crazies.
I offer you a chance to put forward your evidence not your opinion.
Heres what I have accumulated so far...
Building seven collapsed despite not even being hit by a plane.
The governments official explanation for all 3 collapses was fire.
Its scientifically impossible for a normal fire to melt steel. To melt steel requires a substance the burns at an extremely high temperature such as thermite.
There were traces of thermite found by Dr. Steven Jones (physics professor) after he studied melted steel with electron microscope analysis.
For over 6 weeks after the incident pools of molten metal were found with temperatures over 2000 degrees, thats 500 degrees hotter than jet fuel burns at. The molten metal was also found under building 7 (keep in mind it was not even hit by a plane!) and the official reports have made no comments on these facts.
The video cameras showing what actually hit the pentagon were confiscated by the FBI and the department of justice have refused to release them. Surely they WOULD release them, unless they were hiding something.
Where were the bodies and the remains of the plane? Vaporised by jet fuel - not likely, science says its impossible.
No response from NORAD, why?
The American authorities did not manage to trace the source of the money used to fund the terrorist attacks. They officially stated it was "of little practical significance". Huh??? WHY? Its of huge significance! Finding out who has funded the alleged attack!
Ted Gunderson (former FBI chief) stated that the 1993 bombing of the WTC was orchestrated by the FBI.
Anyway thats a few things for you 'skeptics' to research and explain before you start calling people crazy - without any evidence. Now - Prove us wrong!
Popular Mechanics says otherwise. And I am willing to take their word over some druggie on the internetz.
sorry. take your aluminum hat elsewhere plz.
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Syle]
#9655938 - 01/21/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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Uncle Sambo calls Horseshit on All Y'All!
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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
#9655950 - 01/21/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 10 days ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: bump
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