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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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I agree with your "Frame of mind" completely. I have barely any male friends because I do no appreciate the way guys usually regard women.

I'm a 21 year old virgin, whether you think that is ridiculous or not - and this is one of the reasons for it. I will not waste it on someone I do not truly care about, and I will not lose it to pick up the "trophy" you get for doing so.

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Phobos]
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As cheesy as this may sound Phobos, it brings warmth to my heart that there are still women out there that are saving there virginity for the perfect person....Props to you and other girls like you.  Spread your admirable view to your associated community...
It's actually kind of funny....I have more and deeper relationships with girl-friends then I do with guy friends partly because the way the general guy views women..hehe  :sun:

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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how depressing that I am male

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Phobos]
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Oh...the structure of your post sounded like you are female....sounds like we are on the same exact boat then....hehe

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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Haha, no, I'm just very angry at most guys

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Phobos]
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wow, i didn't know there were guys who felt the same way as me. i agree that there are different strokes for different folks and what works for one doesn't work for the other but i'm more or less in complete agreement with the original poster.

i can't decide how i feel on the debate concerning the "gender defect". i agree that men are driven to spread the seed but just as women "evolved" in the sexual revolution isn't time men "evolved". it seems to me the bag and tally motivation of today's male is more about egocentricity than species propagation.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: debianlinux]
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Phobos ( AKA jonny )  I know who you are... so we meet again  ha ha ha  I find it funny that i could identify you from your post before i even looked at your name and that you were labeled hawdcore singa.. but anyways..  You seriously got to get outta your feminism class!  No good!!  And as far as your virginity goes, the fact that you werent born with your virginity lost i think may be the worst thing that has ever happened to you,  :smile:

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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this just means that you have morals. i'm the exact same way. sluts are a big turn-off. i agree that most girls nowadays are sluts, and media does have a big impact on them (mtv being one of the major ones)


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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As a woman i have to say that i DONT agree with u in 100%..
I think its a woman's choice just like its a man's choice to choose who she wants to sleep with. If a woman likes sex, and she wants to experience it with different partners, and even with people she's not inlove with- then its perfectly allright because its HER choice! I think feminism is all about women;s ability to choose, to be her own person and not to be influenced by what soicety wants her to be. society taught us years after years to be quiet, to act good, not to stand for ourselves and if we'll act so we'll win our prince charming and everything will be ok.. like look at the children stories and such...the women there are either witches, manipulative or saint.. fuck this shit!
I'm a woman, and I LIKE sex. ok? i know my body and i dont do sex in order to satisfy my man, like alot of "saint" women do, really..many women dont try to learn their bodies and to realise that they CAN enjoy sex...they just do it cuz they have to, cuz its something their boyfriends expect them to do.. but girls like me who do sex because they want to , are being called "whores" and whys that?! i dont sleep with everyone i know, i sleep with whoever i feel like and thinking our bodies are saint and we should save them only for the 'right" person is pretty sad..

also i think that people who are into drugs and love them, are mostly to love sex as well since both sex and drugs give pleasure to our bodies..

I do agree that sleeping with some1 you're inlove with is the best thing, no doubt about that!!! however, i believe its all about the person's choices and we must never judge anyone for his sleeping choices..i mean common, sex is a basic need, we all think about it every day, and im sick of hearing that guyz who "get some" are being treaten and looked at in respect while girls are being called hookers , sluts and sleazy.

An independet woman does her own choices and fuck society.

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Loriiii]
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I don’t think anybody here is questioning who’s choice it is to engage in sex. Of course it’s the personal preference of the individual to who they want to have intercourse with! If you want to fuck for the fuck of it disregarding standards and the corruption you are bestowing upon yourself, then have fun but good luck finding a respectable partner in the future.

"i know my body and i dont do sex in order to satisfy my man."

Well then you are obvisouly inconsiderate and uncaring of your partners. I always want to satisfy my partner when I have sex. That is significant in the obligation of caring and courteous sex as apposed to simply fulfilling egocentric lust.

"im sick of hearing that guyz who "get some" are being treaten and looked at in respect while girls are being called hookers , sluts and sleazy."

This is first of all a stereotypical remark but I do assure you the guys who do slap fives and boast to their friends about screwing some whore in the backseat of a car are not earning any real respect. The genuine respect from friends is earned through flourishing relationships that are not accomplished from sleeping around. Despite the misleading impression, the shallow congratulations' a man-whore receives from hittin a chick and then hittin the road does not obtain any more admiration then a woman slut does from being the city bicycle. Of course We all have the desire to have sex (and do drugs) but sometimes we must refrain from seductive bodily cravings which can potentially harm your character and body. I use drugs….but dont abuse them for abusing them is playing with ones delicate mind which leads to devastating consequences. Same goes for sex, abusing-playing with your body damages your soul as well as breaks hearts.

“An independet woman does her own choices and fuck society.” This declaration clashes with your previous statement I quoted. It’s fine if you just want to disregard society and ethics, for that matter, but then don’t use an assumed conceptual standard of our culture which describes, unlike men, women are looked down upon for being sleazy. Using contradictory statements to try and defend a sordid outlook on sex is just being hypocritical. Yes Feminism is about women making there own choices but the sexual approach women are taking for being jurrasticly unparticular with there partners is just following in the footsteps of individual corruptive male distinctiveness. Your statements are a perfect illustration of this. Women think sleeping around is a positive movement which is fueling this "feministic uprising." Until some grubby guy wants to get off, No one is going to look up to a woman that is uncaring for her body.
I hope you will someday see the light.
Peace, Orizon

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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Ouch.  I'd have to say that my views are slowly diverging from orizon's at this point.  I do agree in principle with much of what he has said - particularly the part about pleasing one's partner rather than oneself - but I also don't think he should be preaching to those who do enjoy casual sex.. as it is a choice for everyone to make for themselves.  Could I respect a woman who has had a past of sleeping around?  I'm sure I could as I try to live in the now as much as possible and not concern myself with things uncontrollable.  Would it be likely that I would find myself with a woman who has slept around?  Probably not, as I do not frequent the social avenues where I would be most likely to find such a person.  Of course that's not to say that anybody is wrong - there is no right or wrong, we all hold different moral values and it's only a matter of finding those whom share a set more or less consistent with our own.

Upon taking another look at this thread, I would also like to point out that I feel the topic should not only have been directed as a Plead to Women but to Men as well.

:heart: to all my bro's and hoe's :wink:


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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This is not OTD so I'll go easy on you. You've been brainwashed by MTV-pop-culture feminist propaganda. Women love sex, even more than men. If you don't think this is true then you don't yet know enough about women. Of course, most women will NEVER admit this, because of the stigma of being a "slut." Yes, that dirty word, propagated by Nice Guys and Ugly Girls everywhere. The Nice Guys and Ugly Girls hate the players and the playettes (whom I would define as being in touch with their natural sexual desires and not afraid to act on them) because they are not getting enough sex themselves. So they make up names for the people getting laid all the time. If you are a girl who gets laid a lot you are labeled a "slut"; if you are a guy who gets laid a lot you are labeled an "asshole". Whenever someone labels sexually-liberated women as "sluts", it tells me two things: 1) they're frustrated because they're not getting enough sex, and 2) they have very little respect for women in general. (When a woman calls another woman a slut, it's simply out of jealousy.) Sex is a natural instinctual act. It's not dirty. It's not something to be ashamed of. At the very least it's good exercise, at the best it's an amazing spiritual connection between two close friends. By calling any woman a whore or a slut, you are just tightening the chains around her sexual expression, and standing in the way of our society's path toward an enlightened view of sex, where we can rid ourselves of the "dirty" stigma placed on it by religion.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be with only sexual partner for long periods of time, but don't go criticizing others because they've made a different choice. It's akin to religious preaching proclaiming your god as the only god, and makes me ill. So in conclusion, please respect others' lifestyle choices, however upsetting it may be to you.

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: ]
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word





we ARE animals, not saints

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: thescientist]
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From Dryden's "All for love."

Cleopatra: Respect is for a wife: am I that thing, that dull, insipid lump, without desires, and without power to give 'em?

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: seti]
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Some people don't realize that some get hurt by people who are just out there for physical pleasure. Especially for the people who are young and don't know better about relationships.

Hate people who lead you on like their totally into you, and once they get what they want, they do whatever they can to get rid of you. Scared as shit for a commitment.

I wish that people were more sparing with having sex with the ones they truly love. It'll be so much more pleasurable. I believe people get desensitized by having sex so often. When you meet the one you love, you wish you were the first for him/her because you want to give your everything.

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: rtn]
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Sex is not sacred to me, it isn't something to be kept away, it's not emotionally special. Sex is not a relationship, it is not your personal gift to others. It's a workout that feels really damn good, and should be implemented as frequently and safely as possible. Sex has never been a relationship only thing to me. If i wasn't married, or my wife didn't mind, i could hook up with someone for a night as long as they knew that was the furthest it was going to go other than becomeing really good friends. It is special in the way of doing something with a friend, like spending time with them or going to the movies. I wouldn't mind my wife doing the same thing, as long as it was kept as a fun thing to do type of thing, and not a trying to form a real relationship with someone else type of thing. As long as the other people involed in this supposid swinging game were clean, and not able to make babies like i no longer am, i would say that this would be a great goodness.

Of course im sure it would get Jerry Springerish. I don't really mean this as something that im planning or anything, im just using this as an example of how meaningless sex really is relationship wise to me. I would not cheat on my wife, but if she told me i could sleep with her bestfriend to cheer her up, im sure i would jump on it. Like that would ever happen tho.


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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Kada]
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Exactly what I meant by being desensitized.

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: rtn]
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I have sex 20 times a year, if that. I have never seen sex as a sacred thing, even when i was 15 and never had it before. I don't get all the hang ups, it's not that special. It's fun as hell don't get me wrong, but i don't see the reason for all the seriousness.

Holding someone while talking of love is not something i would do with anyone but the one i truly loved. Sex is for recreation, and i would never lead anyone to believe i thought otherwise.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


Edited by Kada (01/17/09 09:28 PM)

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
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Your post is killing my eyes.  Can you give me the gist of it?











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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Learyfan]
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Annabel Chong has an interesting viewpoint on the whole thing.

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