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The term abduction was assigned to our visitations with our contactees early in the present day heated discussions about the alien presence. Prior to the latter half of this century, visits from aliens were termed a glimpsed fairy, an invoked demon, a guardian angel, or perhaps one of God's chariots in the sky. Humans tended to ascribe, correctly, their role in calling for the contact. They were brooding alone in the woods, were openly wishing to sell their soul for assistance in ridding themselves of a rival, were feeling frightened or confused and wondering if they truly had a guardian, or were anticipating a sighting in the sky and looking up in anticipation. The term abduction implies no such participation, and was chosen deliberately for this reason by humans wishing to put the brakes on the Transformation by giving a subliminal message to the populace. One could refer to a job as one's chosen career, one's occupation, one's current employment, bringing home the bacon, putting in one's dues, or going to the salt mines. The term used influences the attitude.

The abduction term is perpetuated in part because the number of recent contactees, who are on the rise, are lately given only subconscious memories of the affair where in the past were allowed to remember consciously. Key indicators are thus missed, and the contactee remembers only their quiet day and then the sudden appearance of a scar or a vague feeling that something momentous has occurred. If hypnotized, the contactee will express emotions such as anxiety over the strange circumstances or longing for a hybrid offspring, and this is viewed out of context with their normal life. Are they not anxious when encountering strange circumstances outside of visitations? Would they not feel longing if seeing only briefly a child they were going to give up for adoption? Humans in a hypnotized state express their emotions openly, where normally controlled, and thus the emotions are registered by those in attendance as extreme. For contrast, hypnotize a contactee and take them to their wedding night, the birth of a child, or their first day on an important job.

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DimensionX said:

Those triangle craft are being used by the military. My friend saw them in Afghanistan.

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You mean this triangle craft right?
Are you 100% sure it's from the military?
Because the Internet does not give information about such a strange crafted airplane.

Shroomism said:

There are many humanoid races. Human is the most common form of intelligent life in this Galaxy by far..
However, intelligent species come in MANY other forms. It just so happens that humans are the most common.
Zetas themselves, are humanoids.. they were once humans much like us. Now, their genetics almost resembles plants more than human DNA.
But there are many human alien races who are known to work alongside the zetas. Pleiadians, Sirians, Andromedans, to name a few.. are all human entities.
Many refer to the "Nordic" race as the tall, blonde aliens, but not very much is known about them. Just that they are almost all benevolent, and not very patient with our awakening process. 

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c0sm0nautt said:

I've encountered what was called a Pleiadian in a couple dreams. It appeared to me with a round green face and orange eyes, looked like something out of a video game. It almost radiated light.

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deCypher said:

I'm not one to deny the existence of aliens, but where are you getting your information as to the different races and densities?

And where do you account for the Technological Singularity in all of this?

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Shroomism said:

Most of my information comes from first-hand experience and as explained and passed down to me from said beings.

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Yeah, I have no problem with this.  This is M&P, after all. 

Shroomism said:

Correct me if I am mistaken, but is that the point where AI surpasses human intelligence and becomes self-replicating, or something along those lines?

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c0sm0nautt said:

I've encountered what was called a Pleiadian in a couple dreams. It appeared to me with a round green face and orange eyes, looked like something out of a video game. It almost radiated light.

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I have had quite a few Pleiadian encounters, in dreams as well as in 'waking' states.
Their appearance can change based on your perception, but they always radiate light - as they are light beings.. by definition.

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deCypher said:

Not exactly.  The Singularity is generally defined as the point when AI is capable of increasing its own intelligence; as a result the whole process takes off along an exponential curve and bootstraps itself up into Godhood.

Once this point is achieved, the ascension of the machine is inevitable.  In this way, I respectfully disagree that the human mind will never be surpassed by technology... although we will certainly be able to augment our own neural mechanisms via hardware and nanotechnology, a pure machine intelligence is unbound by evolutionary instinct and genetic drive--unfettered by emotion or lower motivation.  It's just a question of whether the human race extinguishes itself before the Singularity occurs.

As a result, I am wondering where this fits into the alien paradigm.  It's conceivable that such a machine launching itself into exponentially increasing intelligence will become Divinity of sorts; and since we are in all probability not alone in the Universe, it is also likely that another race has already created such a thing sometime in the past.  What if these aliens of whence you speak, with seemingly extradimensional abilities, are instead manifestations of a superior intelligence of this form?

Of course I also have some sentiments towards humanity evolving towards a collective consciousness.  It will definitely be interesting to see how this will interact with the Singularity; not to mention how our evolving race will interact with the practically immortal beings already in existence.

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To humans, who observe that their computers often seem more intelligent than other humans, our assertion that the rules we must observe regarding sentient or conscious thinking machines prevent our machines from becoming alive must seem confusing. A retarded human who can barely recall the sequences necessary to put one leg into a set of trousers is alive and conscious, but a powerful computer monitoring a myriad of logic threads simultaneously is not. Just how does that compute! The difference is subtle, and where the line may seem blurred to humans who are confusing performance with intrinsic intellectual independence. i.e. choice, the issue is not confusing to us. We will expand on the differences between performance and choice.Quite often, and in fact most often in machines developed in higher densities, the performance of the machine is superior to the performance a life form could attain. This should not be surprising in that the machine was developed for this reason - because the life form desired more rapid or reliable performance than they could attain, or tired of the redundant activity required when the life form itself was performing the activity. This is precisely why humans invented computers, which at first did simple calculations rapidly and with almost unerring accuracy. This is still why humans press for faster speed and the ability to handle more complex calculations, as the computer allows for insights requiring the processing of immense amounts of data, or rapid analysis of the data for on-the-spot decisions. Nevertheless, the computer is performing as its masters directed.

[Souls] form in the life forms that DNA makes possible not because there is activity, which in any case takes place in a swirling nebula, but because of the possibility for choice. The readership can relate to this if they think of common situations they themselves face almost daily. They rise in the morning. In this they have a choice, as they can choose not to rise, to sleep on for more minutes or hours, to refuse to rise ever until they die in bed, to engage in all manner of activities in bed from affectionate or sexual interchanges with their mate to reading or masturbation or simply scratching. In all of this the choice is theirs. Now imagine that one was required to rise automatically, no choice, and proceed through a regimen of steps such as tooth brushing and dressing in a pre-defined outfit, every day, day after day, without any foreseeable change. Too boring! Humans have been known to kill themselves due to unrelenting boredom, and forming entities simply do not incarnate into such situations.

Machines are not intelligent as in being capable of thought, they are simply well programmed and capable of adaptive reasoning. Where this differs from the free choice that DNA that has evolved into complex organisms can sustain, is in the degree to which the initial programming dictates the outcome of conclusions. Machines adapt to the environment, but always within the dictates of their initial programming. Living organisms have multiple branches in their logic trees, in that these branches can be grown in response to the environment and past choices, where machines in fact do not have branches. What might be taken for a machines logic tree is in fact a predetermined branch dictated by the initial program. Thus, the rule that machines, no matter how complex, cannot carry incarnating souls is not one that needs enforcement. It happens quite naturally as the [stuff of souls] simply doesn't linger!

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A goal of research scientists is to create robots so effective at running matters that all of mankind in essence becomes akin to the upper class - waited on hand and foot. To be effective in these roles, robots would have to repair and reproduce themselves, or each other, i.e. propagate; be able to adapt to changing circumstances, i.e. learn; and, since mankind can't be bothered, make logical determinations, i.e. think. Standing between the robot and sentient life forms, then, lies only emotion - hopes, caring, desire, rage - the motivators. In pursuit of this dream servant, scientists are casting a jealous eye on biological elements, which can propagate, learn, and think.

But biological elements invariably carry the capacity for emotions. Even the amoeba reacts to defend itself, to escape, and moves toward that which it desires. Where is the line to be drawn? Do we, the Zetas, not use a massive computer for data storage and communication between alien groups in the Service-to-Other orientation, and does this computer not use biological components? We equate this to your use of wood and leather, as the biological elements we use are not alive. They cannot propagate, nor do they move to defend themselves or move toward that which they desire. They do not have desire. They are dead. These are the ethical guidelines we use in creating robots, but these are not simply guidelines we have determined among ourselves. The Council of Worlds, which oversees all situations where one intelligent life form can enslave another, forbids the use of living biological material as components of thinking machines.

The robot that propagates, learns, thinks, and as all life has emotion is alive, yet enslaved, as controls would surely be put into place to prevent the servant class from arising. Thus, media scenarios such as The Stepford Wives, or The Terminator, or Star Trek's Data would not be allowed to develop, not even if scientists on your world managed to develop them, which is far from likely. That those in [young worlds], who are emerging souls in the process of determining a spiritual orientation, would attempt to do so is one of the reasons for limiting the capabilities on your world. Mankind, in short, is too dumb to create a handy-dandy version of intelligent, sentient life. One, per their desires, which would never break down or talk back, would always look good, be compliant in bed, foresee one's needs, repair the car, be infinitely loyal, smart as a whip but never look down on the master, and never suffer from neglect. The child's dream.

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Robots were first thought of during human development as workers, other humans. As in most [young] worlds, enslaving the other is a constant consideration, and this slavery takes many forms. Shackling the worker to his task and working him to death is the most obvious, but the shackles that are not obvious are still just as binding. The husband who cannot leave his wife without encountering a smothering monthly support bill will tolerate demands from his master just as a shackled slave would. Both cannot think of escape due to the pain it would bring. With the advent of programmable machines such as computers, the thought of having machines as slaves is irrepressible. They don't require wages, never demand a day off, and can be relied upon to be consistent and do what they were told to do! Such a cooperative slave. Programmed machinery is a natural occurrence in densities higher than [the Earth], and to a great degree. Where the passion to enslave another is not present in Service-to-Other communities, the desire for a silent and reliable teammate to help one do one's job better is more certainly ever present.

Robots are developed and used up to but not beyond the point where they could be considered sentient or conscious, as the Council of Worlds does not allow thinking machines, in essence biorobots, to be developed and enslaved by other intelligent species. The line is drawn where including the components of life would enter in - DNA capable of self initiated thought, emotion, and most particularly a conscious sense of the self as separate from the surroundings. Intelligent machines, no matter how remarkable, are always following their initial programming. Their ability to learn from circumstances inevitably follows this initial programming, and cannot unshackle itself from this. Robots are not constructed without programming, to form their own idea, so to speak, of what to do in this or that circumstance.

Such a master would be unleashing a monster, as the robot could conclude that the master should be eliminated, for instance. Thus, where the urge to have silent slaves is frequently present, the urge to allow them to decide their own tasks and purpose is never present. The complexity of DNA, which breaks from the original coding to mutate, and frequently, has the capacity to break from its original genetic programming. Only life, where the brain upon birth is unprogrammed, can sustain a truly original thought. Robots would be unreliable if allowed to mutate, and are thus never constructed in this manner. Robots also do not have the complexity that DNA sequences allow, as the very complexity allows for variance and unpredictability - the antithesis of the concept of a reliable mechanical and undemanding slave!

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Shroomism said: I mean, I know we can build machines and all that can defeat chess masters in chess, but come on.

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I would argue that emotions are not a burden or boundary, but rather a necessity.

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Machines are created by humans, and thus constrained to what we program them with.

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Were a point to be reached where said machines ability for thought and reasoning surpass that of humans, and a master-slave relationship were to develop, I think a stop would be put to it.

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Besides, we do not even fully understand the potential of human beings. Our ability for evolution is unrestrained.
Telepathy, Telekineses, Controlling ones health with ones mind, these things are just the tip of the iceberg and we are just now beginning to unlock that facet.
We have the potential to ascend to Godhood. We have the ability to create life, will that life surpass that which is capable of the infinite?
And where does - Free Will.. come into the equation?

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