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Aliens, a definitive answer?
    #9566654 - 01/07/09 08:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hi shroomery
after watching a couple of alien vids on youtube i still couldn't conclude what to believe.

Since many people want to scare others,
maybe for money reasons, maybe to act as kind of an "alien-guru".

On the other hand it is a very small-minded believe to think we are the only superior species in this universe.

I for my experience had no encounters whatsoever.

I hope there are some sharp minds out there with a believe.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9566714 - 01/07/09 09:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I do believe aliens exist, but I do not think they ever have visited earth.

Regardless, using youtube to form opinions is pretty lame I think.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9566800 - 01/07/09 09:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't believe in UFOs my whole life until I reached adulthood. Aliens were the very last "fictional" creature that I would want to believe in. When I was a child, there was no type of movie more scary than alien movies for me. I heard Terence McKenna speak of a UFO he saw. Since I have a lot of respect for him and I know he wouldn't lie, I decided to investigate the phenomenon myself. After months of in depth research, I was forced to come to the undeniable conclusion that they are in fact real. It just so happened that back in September of last year I witnessed several disc shaped crafts fly over with red, blue, green, and yellow flashing lights. I witnessed another identical craft off in the distance, hovering in the air. It would move up, down, side to side, and zig zag very elegantly. I never thought I would be so lucky to witness something like that. I do live in northern Ohio which reportedly has the second highest reports of UFO sightings in the world. I still don't believe that extraterrestrials are visiting Earth. I think they are what we call Aeons, Angels, or gods. I think they are supernatural beings from another dimension. The idea that physical beings could travel from one star system to another doesn't seem logical whatsoever. Even if these "extraterrestrials" could create wormholes in the fabric of space and time, they would not be able to travel through them. Their physical bodies are made from the fabric of space and time, therefore if they tried to enter a wormhole, they would be ripped to pieces. There is just no other explanation for what these beings are. They cannot be humans because their crafts do impossible maneuvers, reported by pilots all over the world. Here is a video about a pretty convincing UFO sighting which took place not too far from where I live:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #9567014 - 01/07/09 09:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If it's on the internet it must be true!


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
    #9567070 - 01/07/09 10:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

They exist, just not in the terms most people would think. Just like us, they are multidimensional. They have a much better understanding of consciousness, and the abilities to manipulate what we would call physical reality.

Here's a good article on ETs you should check out and make your judgment:
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=422&Itemid=70


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
    #9567489 - 01/07/09 11:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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GaiaAnnunaki said:
If it's on the internet it must be true!




I didn't get my information from the internet. I got it from government documents from the U.S. government and other governments from all over the world. Even General Douglas MacArthur said we need to be prepared for the next world war because the next one is going to be an interplanetary war. I'm not trying to convince anyone that they exist. I definitely don't expect anyone to believe me, but you'll believe it when you see it.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #9569197 - 01/08/09 07:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

They do exist. It would be incredibly stupid and narrow minded to think they didn't, however until we discover a way to circumvent Einsteins law of relativity we will probably never meet them (in the physical world that is)...

However teaching our kids that science is cool rather than idolizing sports heroes and musicians and actors is a good start to one day finally making contact :wink:

I do believe that aliens crashed in Roswell back in the day- however I do not believe that there are thousands of alien lizard-men living in a elaborate underground community at area 51.

But my question is: do you think a passing alien ship would bother to make contact with us intentionally, or consider us too primitive and be on their way?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: CDS]
    #9569229 - 01/08/09 07:42 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think any civilization with that kind of technology and knowledge would definitely not attempt to make contact unless they had some type of force-field. They would know that humans would go crazy and attack them. This is one reason why the government has tried so hard to keep the UFO phenomenon secret. Their job is to maintain control over the masses. The UFO phenomenon would clearly be viewed as a threat to national security. How would it look if the government told the general public that technological devices are penetrating our airspace and we don't know what they are or what to do about them. People would freak out. The U.S. government lists the UFO phenomenon under the highest classification, higher than the Hydrogen Bomb. Why would they have such a high classification for something that didn't exist?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9569281 - 01/08/09 08:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

UFOs exist and some are proven beyond reasonable doubt to be highly advanced space ships.  I say this because there are several official accounts, some dating back to early 1950's, where the craft have been witnessed very close up, confirmed with several separate radar stations.  They've been chased by military planes and reported to be flying in and out of earths atmosphere.  There are many incidents where the craft have left physical traces behind that would be very difficult for someone to fake and are corroborated by several independent witnesses.

The Belgium mass sighting is one example which is very interesting.  The evidence includes radar evidence from 2 F-16 fighters and 2 separate ground radars.  Hundreds of independent witnesses many of whom took video and photo of the craft.  Here is a picture of what one witness photographed


This guy, Stephen Michalak was burnt and suffered and undiagnosable symptoms that was similar to radiation poisoning after approaching a landed saucer...

Debunker's have claimed he made the story up, burnt himself and somehow given himself radiation poisoning:crazy:

The US government is one of the few governments that is still denying the UFO phenomena.  This guy, Nick Pope, ran the UK ministry of defenses UFO research department for 3 years and announced that UFOs are real and some of them are highly advanced flying machines of unknown origins.  One of the UKs most interesting and undeniable cases was Rendalsham forest where the craft landed in a woods near a joint US/UK military base.  Lt. Colonel Halt (USAF) gathered a team of men and went to investigate and found a landed metallic craft, they recorded excess radiation being emitted from the craft and found indentations in ground after the craft left.  Its an amazing story and puts doubt on theories that the advanced craft are all owned by the UK or US governments.

For people that study the phenomena scientifically, there is no doubt that UFOs are real, theres no doubt that some of them are advanced flying craft.  The only remaining question is where are these advanced craft coming from.

I've been lucky or unlucky enough to have my own close encounter.  What me and 2 friends witnessed was a metallic disc silently hovering near my friends house.  The craft was roughly the size of 2 large estate cars in length.  It was the classic saucer shape, had red and yellow alternating lights on its bottom section and had a raised central dome.  It landed in a grassy field behind my friends house and killed all the grass where it landed.

I'm of the personal opinion that many people are not aware of just how much evidence is out there and that many people automatically assume that UFOs are to be mocked but the facts remain and stereotyping does nothing to explain the mass of evidence that is out there for anybody who are willing put their preconceived ideas aside and study the phenomena.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9569608 - 01/08/09 10:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)




Earth's prehistoric history sudenlly becomes much more interesting with all those stories of angeles/gods coming out of the sky. These stories occur in almost every culture


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9570157 - 01/08/09 01:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well I'll tell you what. Quite honestly, how many of you devote any of your time in a day looking up? Be honest. For most people I ask the answer is 0, at which point I ridicule them for being university or college graduates, and they've missed the most important piece of evidence when it comes to aliens, the night sky.

So look up, even if it's for 3mins a day, and be patient. there are aliens, this much I assure you :wink:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: MeowMixChad]
    #9572112 - 01/08/09 06:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=phil+schneider&emb=0&aq=1&oq=Phil+S#
Phil Schneider was a government employee that built underground bases.  They were working on a base in Dulce, New Mexico and accidentally drilled into an underground alien base.  The government knew this base existed and didn't tell anyone.  The aliens attacked.  Phil Schneider shot two alien greys and describes his experience.  The aliens killed a lot of people and he almost died.  He went public about the story and quit his job.  He states in one of his speeches HE WOULD NEVER COMMIT SUICIDE.  Because the government had been trying to kill him.  Then, supposedly he shot himself twice and strangled himself or some bullshit, but they killed him.  It's an interesting story. 
Also, you can google Dr. Jonathan Reed.  He is still alive, but they are trying to kill him after he went public about his experience as well.  There are many, many cases like this. 

I too believe it is naive to believe we are alone in the universe.  I think the government is slowly trying to expose aliens through movies, etc.  20 years ago, you were considered crazy if you even talked about it.  Now, it is getting more acceptable.  . . . :etjesus:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deyon01]
    #9574569 - 01/09/09 01:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

meh i dont like the idea of our goverment hiding aliens for what? seems pretty weird to me I dont beleive aliens with good intentions in mind would be working with the goverment of all people but maybe thats just so everyone doesnt go out and buy a gun?

who knows tho if one of those ships ever went down it might have been by my area theres a park here that surronds the site and the only way to get though is to go back behind the shooting range...

it could be B.S. but one thing psychs have taught me is that the mind is something not to be tinkered with, you could just as easily tweak something you dont like or leave something unresolved lol i guess thats why one of my good friends whom does home projects isnt so found of them

anyway the interdimensional light beings and the cold grey ones of the goverment probably dont agree on too much

got dang aliens!


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9576280 - 01/09/09 12:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

its a possibility. from my understanding every thing thats closer to the  big bang is like going back intime, its not as developed as stars,planets etc farther away from the BB. so if there are planets past us, even further away from the big bang. then there going to be more advanced(supposably, but wtf do we know were just ants looking out of a telescope.) so they just might have the abilitie to travel through dimensions. maybe its faster then traveling through space.
there is somthing there, I beleive civilians one day will create their own society/business were people like you or me, or the person next to you can ponder together and create their own technology. were they could travel out and see for themselfs. theres some smart poeple here,one day will have our own control over whats created,used,programed and tested. kinda like nasa but on our own terms...


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: ZackWyldeFan]
    #9579424 - 01/09/09 10:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Our universe is enormous and to think that there is no other life out there, is to be very closed-minded. It's understandable that people cannot conceive exactly how big our universe is. Here is short video that will put the universe's size into perspective. These videos are mindblowing to watch while tripping!


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #9579920 - 01/09/09 11:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I believe in 'aliens'.  Though, since I got into the whole alien thing, my idea of what exactly they may be, and where they come from, has changed substantially.

I also had a strange alien experience once that I have never been able to identify as delusion/hallucination/dream, but a very much controlled and intentional contact.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #9581377 - 01/10/09 05:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

me too, when i was in south america.  what's your story?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9582644 - 01/10/09 02:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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myshroomyhead said:
Hi shroomery
after watching a couple of alien vids on youtube i still couldn't conclude what to believe.

Since many people want to scare others,
maybe for money reasons, maybe to act as kind of an "alien-guru".

On the other hand it is a very small-minded believe to think we are the only superior species in this universe.

I for my experience had no encounters whatsoever.

I hope there are some sharp minds out there with a believe.




I like the word 'suspect' more than 'believe' because it seems less rigid.

I suspect 'they' have been here all along...


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Middleman]
    #9585116 - 01/10/09 08:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I 'suspect' the same thing. 

I have also been having alien 'experiences' since I was a young child, almost as far back as I can remember.
People want to substantiate that into logistic physical evidence, from multidimensional entities.. hm.
Well I'm not in the business of changing people's minds, especially when they are closed to possibilities and probabilities.
If you look back into human history, alien visitation and UFO sightings are nothing new. They go back to the beginning of our culture.
Before there was video cameras and such, UFO accounts have been written and drawn about for thousands of years. Even in caves. 


My educated 'opinion' is that the Earth is an 'experiment' of sorts.
I believe there are many thousands of intelligent races of beings, in this galaxy alone.
I believe that our ancient human history goes much further back than we can account for,
that there was once a greatly advanced civilization on Earth, and almost all records from that time have been lost.
I think that humans civilization has been "stuck" in the 3rd dimension for several thousand years now,
and that we are currently undergoing a metamorphosis or evolution of the collective consciousness.

I suspect that alien beings have been here all along, watching the progress unfold,
helping us prepare for the transition.. as a planet.. into the next stage of evolution.
But they are limited by interfering in our reality, due to rules set forth.
It is in this next stage of evolution, we will become galactic citizens.

This transitioning period occurs (sooner or later) on every civilized planet, we call it an "Awakening".
When a collective consciousness shifts from the primal, purely physical, 3rd dimension.. into the more ethereal 4th and 5th dimensions.
It is not always a move forward. Sometimes the planet will shift down in dimension, descending.
I believe this happened on our planet in the past, in the times of Atlantis and Mu.
However, this cannot happen again. We cannot "descend" from the 3rd dimension.
Because the 3rd dimension is the lowest density capable of sustaining human consciousness.
The 1st and 2nd dimensions are reserved for the consciousness of plants, minerals, and the like.

We think we have everything figured out, the truth is we know very little.
We understand that gravity exists, yet we do not understand its properties or how to manipulate it.
And these are just the basics. There is a lot more to the Universe, than a few chemical reactions that we think we can try to quantify.
You don't understand the Universe, until you go out there and explore it.
We haven't even been to Mars, let alone outside of our own solar system.
So we have A LOT to learn.

But we are at the point in our development, where our technology has exceeded our spiritual understanding.
Nuclear weapons, cloning, DNA manipulation, etc.. without the thorough understanding of the mechanics behind it and the results and consequences.
It is only a matter of time now, before critical mass is reached.
This is a definitive point in every civilization - will they ruin their planet and wipe themselves out, or will they evolve?

But the truth is, before we can go exploring the Universe, we need to figure out ourselves, and Earth.. first.
Alien beings are not permitted to directly interfere with our reality at this time,
they can only lay subtle hints, and subconscious communication, such as during dreams and altered states.
Although some do not always follow this protocol. It is definitely the standard.

We need to "fix our shit" - and live in harmony with other humans - and the planet Earth which sustains our very existence.
Before we can even think about living in harmony with beings from other planets.
Some of whose cultures extend back many millions of years.
You don't survive that long as a race with nuclear weapons and war.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9585196 - 01/10/09 08:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think the grey race exist as commonly depicted in abductions and would these be the ones that do not always follow the idea of not interfering with us directly?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9585204 - 01/10/09 08:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Those triangle craft are being used by the military. My friend saw them in Afghanistan.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9585380 - 01/10/09 09:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The greys have a very interesting story.

Their planet was much like ours currently, except they were much more advanced technologically.
They were experimenting heavily with DNA manipulation, and cloning.. and they heavily altered their genetics.
They also completely destroyed their planet's atmosphere, and almost all the vegetation, through war, making the surface of the planet inhospitable to life. 
Leading the survivors to live under the planets surface for a very long time, where they relied on their knowledge of science to survive, and further altered their genetics.
Up until their "awakening" process, and emergence as Galactic Citizens.
But their planet was dying. Their race was slowly dying off, due to unforeseen errors the many thousands of years of cloning and genetic manipulation had caused.

So they entered in a "hybrid program" with us, the people of Earth, in order to sustain their race and help our situation. 
As our race was the closest to theirs in terms of development, and humans of Earth had many of the traits they were missing that they needed.
The greys are probably the most active on our planet out of any of the races.. they do most of the  "field work" of the bunch. Which is why they are probably the most commonly ones reported.
Also, due to their purpose of making hybrids which requires donations of genetic material, which is where a lot of the reports come from.

As for them not following the rules, well that is debatable. There are "rebels" or 'negative' beings amongst almost every race, and the greys are no exception.. but they are vastly in the minority and they are still upheld by the rules of non-interference.
All contactees have in one way or another, requested and consented to that contact, usually on the subconscious level.
A problem arises in people whose consciousness is fragmented, where the subconscious can think one thing, and the conscious (ego) thinks another.
The subconscious mind says yes, and the ego says NO!. Well, the subconscious wins everytime, because these beings only communicate on that level, the ego is not even a consideration, and the soul knows best.

Abductions are not even so much abductions as they are, people agreeing to be contacted.. and then denying it on the conscious level, because they cannot wrap their ego around it. So they formulate it in their conscious mind, is that they were abducted.. when in reality, they consented to it the whole time.

This is true even for the "negative", self-serving ETs, of which comprise the vast minority.
No one is contacted without consent. And at any time, you say "NO", they must comply, and leave your presence.
This all occurs on the subconscious level, of course.

The ones who do not follow the protocols of non-interference, feel the results of their actions, and are taken out of a position to act on that level. It is not taken lightly. It was the "negative" greys, who had all that history with the US government, and other governments.. feeding them lies and giving them false technology.

The only ones doing "abductions" are humans in positions of power, people who feed off of fear.

So in short, "abductions" is a term thrown around far too much, and is misguided a lot of the time. I think sums it up fairly well:

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The term abduction was assigned to our visitations with our contactees early in the present day heated discussions about the alien presence. Prior to the latter half of this century, visits from aliens were termed a glimpsed fairy, an invoked demon, a guardian angel, or perhaps one of God's chariots in the sky. Humans tended to ascribe, correctly, their role in calling for the contact. They were brooding alone in the woods, were openly wishing to sell their soul for assistance in ridding themselves of a rival, were feeling frightened or confused and wondering if they truly had a guardian, or were anticipating a sighting in the sky and looking up in anticipation. The term abduction implies no such participation, and was chosen deliberately for this reason by humans wishing to put the brakes on the Transformation by giving a subliminal message to the populace. One could refer to a job as one's chosen career, one's occupation, one's current employment, bringing home the bacon, putting in one's dues, or going to the salt mines. The term used influences the attitude.

The abduction term is perpetuated in part because the number of recent contactees, who are on the rise, are lately given only subconscious memories of the affair where in the past were allowed to remember consciously. Key indicators are thus missed, and the contactee remembers only their quiet day and then the sudden appearance of a scar or a vague feeling that something momentous has occurred. If hypnotized, the contactee will express emotions such as anxiety over the strange circumstances or longing for a hybrid offspring, and this is viewed out of context with their normal life. Are they not anxious when encountering strange circumstances outside of visitations? Would they not feel longing if seeing only briefly a child they were going to give up for adoption? Humans in a hypnotized state express their emotions openly, where normally controlled, and thus the emotions are registered by those in attendance as extreme. For contrast, hypnotize a contactee and take them to their wedding night, the birth of a child, or their first day on an important job.




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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9585401 - 01/10/09 09:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Those triangle craft are being used by the military. My friend saw them in Afghanistan.





You mean this triangle craft right?
Are you 100% sure it's from the military?
Because the Internet does not give information about such a strange crafted airplane.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9585410 - 01/10/09 09:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, those are from the military.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9585446 - 01/10/09 09:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

My friend said he saw them in Afghanistan, he even told me what they are called but i can't remember what it was, ill ask him next time i see him and tell you guys.

He says they are large and are almost completely silent. He said that he couldn't blame people for thinking they are alien space craft because they look out of this world.

Why they are flying over U.S. cities, i don't know.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9585448 - 01/10/09 09:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting.

Do you know anything of the blonde's?  When Travis Walton had his experience he initially saw the greys but they left and he was met by what he described as a tall muscular blond man who did not speak.  The man took him to other similar human looking creatures who sedated him.  Where these humans that had been engineered by the grays or maybe even a trick used by some being that wanted to appear human?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9585532 - 01/10/09 10:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

There are many humanoid races. Human is the most common form of intelligent life in this Galaxy by far..
However, intelligent species come in MANY other forms. It just so happens that humans are the most common.
Zetas themselves, are humanoids.. they were once humans much like us. Now, their genetics almost resembles plants more than human DNA.
But there are many human alien races who are known to work alongside the zetas. Pleiadians, Sirians, Andromedans, to name a few.. are all human entities.
Many refer to the "Nordic" race as the tall, blonde aliens, but not very much is known about them. Just that they are almost all benevolent, and not very patient with our awakening process.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9585560 - 01/10/09 10:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with much of what you say, Shroomism. After studying this subject for over two decades, I have finally let my skeptical guard down and admitted to myself that this phenomenon is definitely real; in the sense that there is NO DOUBT that there has been observed aerial phenomena of an apparently unidentifiable nature and that our government denies it. This is supported by an undeniable wealth of video, photographic, testimonial, analytical, and documented evidence. Furthermore, it seems that some of these phenomena are of an apparently mechanical nature;i.e. "intelligently controlled craft". That being said, I think that going beyond what I previously stated falls in the realm of speculation.

That's not to discount Anyone's experiences or views, it's just evidence of abduction, cattle mutilation, crop circles etc. isn't as strong. We can reach our closest neighbors with current technology...The problem of relative time isn't a problem with the use of "wormholes" with a "warp drive" neither of which is ruled out theoretically. In fact, Einsteins theories discovered and support this! Antimatter energy makes atomic energy look like a popcorn fart. Humans can withstand 13 g's for short minutes, and much more in shorter durations. We at this point cannot rule out that some of these craft may be government sponsored, or worse yet, Illuminati sponsored. We can't rule out that these beings are not modern day earthlings, or from our distant future, or from another dimension. There is even "evidence" that the "grays" may be test tube drones. After seeing some of the NASA footage, I think we can't rule out that some of these things aren't organic creatures, invisible except on infrared camera. It is not yet clear as to what or whom we're dealing with. We don't yet have the physics, or the mathematical systems to understand and describe all the concepts involved even if we have captured discs(which I believe we do), nor do we posses philosophical or spiritual maturity to play well with others. Perception determines reality and we need to change our perceptions...something Shroomerites are good at!:nerd:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9585637 - 01/10/09 10:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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There are many humanoid races. Human is the most common form of intelligent life in this Galaxy by far..
However, intelligent species come in MANY other forms. It just so happens that humans are the most common.
Zetas themselves, are humanoids.. they were once humans much like us. Now, their genetics almost resembles plants more than human DNA.
But there are many human alien races who are known to work alongside the zetas. Pleiadians, Sirians, Andromedans, to name a few.. are all human entities.
Many refer to the "Nordic" race as the tall, blonde aliens, but not very much is known about them. Just that they are almost all benevolent, and not very patient with our awakening process. 




I've encountered what was called a Pleiadian in a couple dreams. It appeared to me with a round green face and orange eyes, looked like something out of a video game. It almost radiated light.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #9585655 - 01/10/09 10:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Very well said friend. You put it quite more eloquently with a bit more of an explanation that I could hope to.
But suffice it to say, we simply do not possess the understanding at this time to fully understand these beings or their motives or method of travel.
As many of them, reside in the 4th and 5th dimensions.. at the moment our understanding of these dimensions is nothing more than theoretical.

That you mention "wormholes" is very interesting.
The way I understand it, that is how almost all of them travel here through many light years in a relatively short amount of time.
What is known as "hyperspace", there is coarse-matter particles, and there is fine-matter particles...
My understanding of it is VERY basic, and we do not even possess the basics of the understanding of the physics of the Universe to completely grasp it,
but I will attempt to explain based on my very primitive understanding...

'Beamships' as they are called have two general potential speeds.. below the speed of light and above.
Craft A travels ~3 hours outside of its planet's orbit at speeds below the speed of light. At this point the craft jumps into what is called "hyperspace"
Basically what happens is the craft, and the occupants inside - using very advanced and controlled techniques.. shift densities into "fine-particle matter" or anti-matter.
Using very precise measurements and calculations, the ship is then beamed forward through hyperspace, many light years ahead, many times faster than the speed of light.
At the destination, the ship and its occupants are then "shifted back" into their normal density, and the craft proceeds to travel to its destination.
Doing this, I am told a ship can travel hundreds of light years in about 8-12 hours of our time.
But all of these craft create their own artificial gravitational field, which they manipulate to control movement..  and can travel insanely fast without harming the occupants.
Many hundreds and thousands of miles per hour. Like I said, travel up to about the speed of light, and then hyperspace is necessary to go above that.

There is also much speculation.. especially regarding the greys, that they are sort of an "alternate dimension" version of our future selves.
There is no doubt, that we have the potential to end up much like that if we continued the path we are on without any heed.
The greys are purely logical, left-brained beings.. they are almost completely devoid of emotions or creativity,
Unlike many of the other beings.. who find balance and unification between the two hemispheres to be essential.

Our sciences don't yet understand, and we don't have the empirical data and proof we desire, but the knowledge is all there.
Our ancient history holds a very big key, and I believe in the coming years we will uncover much about our ancient past which will unlock a lot of these mysteries.
The Geza pyramids were not built by the Egyptians. And what of the Pyramids across the world?
What of the massive ANCIENT pyramids they found underneath the sea, near Japan?
These things and many more, hold some of the secrets about our very ancient past.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9585769 - 01/10/09 10:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not one to deny the existence of aliens, but where are you getting your information as to the different races and densities?

And where do you account for the Technological Singularity in all of this?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9585793 - 01/10/09 10:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have faith that the human consciousness (collectively as well as individually) can evolve to a higher state. I have hope for the race...I just can't shake the feelin' that we're someones favorite ant farm! Humans are not the only species that likes to watch things grow!  :nerd:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9585856 - 01/10/09 10:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I've encountered what was called a Pleiadian in a couple dreams. It appeared to me with a round green face and orange eyes, looked like something out of a video game. It almost radiated light.




I have had quite a few Pleiadian encounters, in dreams as well as in 'waking' states.
Their appearance can change based on your perception, but they always radiate light - as they are light beings.. by definition.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9585940 - 01/10/09 11:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not one to deny the existence of aliens, but where are you getting your information as to the different races and densities?

And where do you account for the Technological Singularity in all of this?




While my information does not qualify as valid in the eyes of science as per peer-reviewed sources and literature, so I doubt the source matters much to you.
Most of my information comes from first-hand experience and as explained and passed down to me from said beings.

Where do I account for the Technological Singularity? In what context?
Correct me if I am mistaken, but is that the point where AI surpasses human intelligence and becomes self-replicating, or something along those lines?
If that is the case, I would first boldly claim that AI does not have the potential to surpass the potential of human intelligence.
Our capacity for thought is many times greater than we are aware of. We just do not exercise that muscle quite enough, or to its limit.

But I do not discount our ability to create sentient life, in the form of thinking, organic machines.
In fact I believe our 'computers' of the future, will be more organic than they are artificial, and very capable of intelligent thought, easing the burden on us.
As for a "Terminator" scenario, where intelligent machines try to take over the world or some such, I don't see it happening.
Droids, quite possibly. But I think as we begin to understand our technology more, and more about the human brain, we will uncover some things.
Basically, I don't think machines have the ability to surpass our own brains and spirit. Neither in terms of complexity or function or potential.
Maybe, maybe not.
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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9585987 - 01/10/09 11:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Most of my information comes from first-hand experience and as explained and passed down to me from said beings.




Yeah, I have no problem with this.  This is M&P, after all.  :wink:

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Correct me if I am mistaken, but is that the point where AI surpasses human intelligence and becomes self-replicating, or something along those lines?




Not exactly.  The Singularity is generally defined as the point when AI is capable of increasing its own intelligence; as a result the whole process takes off along an exponential curve and bootstraps itself up into Godhood.

Once this point is achieved, the ascension of the machine is inevitable.  In this way, I respectfully disagree that the human mind will never be surpassed by technology... although we will certainly be able to augment our own neural mechanisms via hardware and nanotechnology, a pure machine intelligence is unbound by evolutionary instinct and genetic drive--unfettered by emotion or lower motivation.  It's just a question of whether the human race extinguishes itself before the Singularity occurs.

As a result, I am wondering where this fits into the alien paradigm.  It's conceivable that such a machine launching itself into exponentially increasing intelligence will become Divinity of sorts; and since we are in all probability not alone in the Universe, it is also likely that another race has already created such a thing sometime in the past.  What if these aliens of whence you speak, with seemingly extradimensional abilities, are instead manifestations of a superior intelligence of this form?

Of course I also have some sentiments towards humanity evolving towards a collective consciousness.  It will definitely be interesting to see how this will interact with the Singularity; not to mention how our evolving race will interact with the practically immortal beings already in existence.


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    #9585990 - 01/10/09 11:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I've encountered what was called a Pleiadian in a couple dreams. It appeared to me with a round green face and orange eyes, looked like something out of a video game. It almost radiated light.




I have had quite a few Pleiadian encounters, in dreams as well as in 'waking' states.
Their appearance can change based on your perception, but they always radiate light - as they are light beings.. by definition.




Wow that's really interesting. Did your 'waking' encounters facilitate through trance or meditation? Or straight up physical reality communication? I'd be interested in hearing about one of these encounters if you didn't mind sharing.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9586111 - 01/10/09 11:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What Shroomism predicts is true. Machines will be more biological...yes, in material and function, but more importantly, in design. Micro muscles and nano factories are being built as we speak! (Think a self-replicating intelligence from the nano scale up)...we'll see this in our lifetime, folks!
  I don't see "The Singularity" as mutually exclusive with human development. In fact when the line between biology and technology is totally smeared is when human consciousness will bloom.


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    #9586209 - 01/10/09 11:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Not exactly.  The Singularity is generally defined as the point when AI is capable of increasing its own intelligence; as a result the whole process takes off along an exponential curve and bootstraps itself up into Godhood.

Once this point is achieved, the ascension of the machine is inevitable.  In this way, I respectfully disagree that the human mind will never be surpassed by technology... although we will certainly be able to augment our own neural mechanisms via hardware and nanotechnology, a pure machine intelligence is unbound by evolutionary instinct and genetic drive--unfettered by emotion or lower motivation.  It's just a question of whether the human race extinguishes itself before the Singularity occurs.

As a result, I am wondering where this fits into the alien paradigm.  It's conceivable that such a machine launching itself into exponentially increasing intelligence will become Divinity of sorts; and since we are in all probability not alone in the Universe, it is also likely that another race has already created such a thing sometime in the past.  What if these aliens of whence you speak, with seemingly extradimensional abilities, are instead manifestations of a superior intelligence of this form?

Of course I also have some sentiments towards humanity evolving towards a collective consciousness.  It will definitely be interesting to see how this will interact with the Singularity; not to mention how our evolving race will interact with the practically immortal beings already in existence.




While I completely understand your sentiment, I must respectfully disagree on the account of AI being able to ascend to Godhood and surpass the potential of humans.
Which at this point, is merely a speculation? I mean, I know we can build machines and all that can defeat chess masters in chess, but come on.

I would argue that emotions are not a burden or boundary, but rather a necessity. Of course, we deny that fact in our patriarchal-dominated society.
Where logic is twisted to nonsensical extremes, as are emotions. There DOES exist a balance of the two, and this is godhood.
Humans are inherently divine. We are practically at the bottom of our potential, only beginning to awaken to our true potential as Gods and creators of our own reality.
Machines are created by humans, and thus constrained to what we program them with. Were a point to be reached where said machines ability for thought and reasoning surpass that of humans, and a master-slave relationship were to develop, I think a stop would be put to it.

Besides, we do not even fully understand the potential of human beings. Our ability for evolution is unrestrained.
Telepathy, Telekineses, Controlling ones health with ones mind, these things are just the tip of the iceberg and we are just now beginning to unlock that facet.
We have the potential to ascend to Godhood. We have the ability to create life, will that life surpass that which is capable of the infinite?
And where does - Free Will.. come into the equation?

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To humans, who observe that their computers often seem more intelligent than other humans, our assertion that the rules we must observe regarding sentient or conscious thinking machines prevent our machines from becoming alive must seem confusing. A retarded human who can barely recall the sequences necessary to put one leg into a set of trousers is alive and conscious, but a powerful computer monitoring a myriad of logic threads simultaneously is not. Just how does that compute! The difference is subtle, and where the line may seem blurred to humans who are confusing performance with intrinsic intellectual independence. i.e. choice, the issue is not confusing to us. We will expand on the differences between performance and choice.Quite often, and in fact most often in machines developed in higher densities, the performance of the machine is superior to the performance a life form could attain. This should not be surprising in that the machine was developed for this reason - because the life form desired more rapid or reliable performance than they could attain, or tired of the redundant activity required when the life form itself was performing the activity. This is precisely why humans invented computers, which at first did simple calculations rapidly and with almost unerring accuracy. This is still why humans press for faster speed and the ability to handle more complex calculations, as the computer allows for insights requiring the processing of immense amounts of data, or rapid analysis of the data for on-the-spot decisions. Nevertheless, the computer is performing as its masters directed.

[Souls] form in the life forms that DNA makes possible not because there is activity, which in any case takes place in a swirling nebula, but because of the possibility for choice. The readership can relate to this if they think of common situations they themselves face almost daily. They rise in the morning. In this they have a choice, as they can choose not to rise, to sleep on for more minutes or hours, to refuse to rise ever until they die in bed, to engage in all manner of activities in bed from affectionate or sexual interchanges with their mate to reading or masturbation or simply scratching. In all of this the choice is theirs. Now imagine that one was required to rise automatically, no choice, and proceed through a regimen of steps such as tooth brushing and dressing in a pre-defined outfit, every day, day after day, without any foreseeable change. Too boring! Humans have been known to kill themselves due to unrelenting boredom, and forming entities simply do not incarnate into such situations.

Machines are not intelligent as in being capable of thought, they are simply well programmed and capable of adaptive reasoning. Where this differs from the free choice that DNA that has evolved into complex organisms can sustain, is in the degree to which the initial programming dictates the outcome of conclusions. Machines adapt to the environment, but always within the dictates of their initial programming. Living organisms have multiple branches in their logic trees, in that these branches can be grown in response to the environment and past choices, where machines in fact do not have branches. What might be taken for a machines logic tree is in fact a predetermined branch dictated by the initial program. Thus, the rule that machines, no matter how complex, cannot carry incarnating souls is not one that needs enforcement. It happens quite naturally as the [stuff of souls] simply doesn't linger!




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But biological elements invariably carry the capacity for emotions. Even the amoeba reacts to defend itself, to escape, and moves toward that which it desires. Where is the line to be drawn? Do we, the Zetas, not use a massive computer for data storage and communication between alien groups in the Service-to-Other orientation, and does this computer not use biological components? We equate this to your use of wood and leather, as the biological elements we use are not alive. They cannot propagate, nor do they move to defend themselves or move toward that which they desire. They do not have desire. They are dead. These are the ethical guidelines we use in creating robots, but these are not simply guidelines we have determined among ourselves. The Council of Worlds, which oversees all situations where one intelligent life form can enslave another, forbids the use of living biological material as components of thinking machines.

The robot that propagates, learns, thinks, and as all life has emotion is alive, yet enslaved, as controls would surely be put into place to prevent the servant class from arising. Thus, media scenarios such as The Stepford Wives, or The Terminator, or Star Trek's Data would not be allowed to develop, not even if scientists on your world managed to develop them, which is far from likely. That those in [young worlds], who are emerging souls in the process of determining a spiritual orientation, would attempt to do so is one of the reasons for limiting the capabilities on your world. Mankind, in short, is too dumb to create a handy-dandy version of intelligent, sentient life. One, per their desires, which would never break down or talk back, would always look good, be compliant in bed, foresee one's needs, repair the car, be infinitely loyal, smart as a whip but never look down on the master, and never suffer from neglect. The child's dream.




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Robots are developed and used up to but not beyond the point where they could be considered sentient or conscious, as the Council of Worlds does not allow thinking machines, in essence biorobots, to be developed and enslaved by other intelligent species. The line is drawn where including the components of life would enter in - DNA capable of self initiated thought, emotion, and most particularly a conscious sense of the self as separate from the surroundings. Intelligent machines, no matter how remarkable, are always following their initial programming. Their ability to learn from circumstances inevitably follows this initial programming, and cannot unshackle itself from this. Robots are not constructed without programming, to form their own idea, so to speak, of what to do in this or that circumstance.

Such a master would be unleashing a monster, as the robot could conclude that the master should be eliminated, for instance. Thus, where the urge to have silent slaves is frequently present, the urge to allow them to decide their own tasks and purpose is never present. The complexity of DNA, which breaks from the original coding to mutate, and frequently, has the capacity to break from its original genetic programming. Only life, where the brain upon birth is unprogrammed, can sustain a truly original thought. Robots would be unreliable if allowed to mutate, and are thus never constructed in this manner. Robots also do not have the complexity that DNA sequences allow, as the very complexity allows for variance and unpredictability - the antithesis of the concept of a reliable mechanical and undemanding slave!




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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9586223 - 01/10/09 11:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It would be interesting if machines got to a point where they could program themselves. But I'm not sure if this would necessarily cause them to become greater than us. Because we are already doing this and have been for thousands of years.

Biological evolution could be considered slow compared to technological evolution. So you could think that machines have an advantage in this sense. But humans do more than just evolve biologically. We evolve technologically, socially and biologically. Which i think would allow us to keep pace with machines.

As for machines being purely logical, this can be an advantage and a disadvantage. It could lead to a lack of creativity and also predictability. For example, i believe a machine intelligence would have a hard time dealing with insanity. Insanity funnily enough is a popular human tactic. It makes you completely unpredictable. You never know what a crazy person is going to do next. Lots of people in positions of power will even pretend to be a bit insane because it creates a strange kind of respect and fear from other people. So basically a machine would suffer from greater predictability than humans, which is a great weakness. Their advantage would be a streamlined logical way of doing things.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9586397 - 01/11/09 12:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomism said: I mean, I know we can build machines and all that can defeat chess masters in chess, but come on.




I think it's only a matter of time.  If not within our lifetimes, then in the next five hundred years.  Already we are capable of simulating neural networks and using genetic algorithms to evolve intelligent programs capable of performing pattern recognition and learning from their mistakes.  As soon as an AI is capable of augmenting its own intelligence, there is literally no stopping the bootstrap process--the exponential curve simply surpasses anything our finite brains can come up with.

There are many organizations today that are currently devoted to bringing the Singularity about, such as the Singularity Institute.  The majority of them are dedicated to designing so-called Friendly AI, to prevent such an amoral and emotionless intelligence from negatively impacting humanity.  I myself am skeptical as to the success of this endeavour, but it's arguably necessary if we wish to prevent such things as Skynet from occuring.  If you're interested, Ray Kurzweil and Eliezer Yudkowsky have written several good books on the subject.

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Necessity for what purpose?  I am not one to deny my fondness for the coursing hormones of passionate love, or even the furious, righteous rage of beating up someone who deserves it, but all emotions are throwbacks to a much earlier period in evolution: a time of blind reaction to impulses and a slavery to the instinct.  These knee-jerk reactions such as fear, hatred, or even lust can be useful for an organism in distress, but we are humans capable of superimposing rationality and examining our own desires with a dispassionate eye to minimize suffering and maximize pleasure in the long-term.  We have a cerebral cortex for a reason.

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Machines are created by humans, and thus constrained to what we program them with.




What of a program that is capable of manipulating its own source code?  By this logic a human being is constrained by our genetic code.

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Were a point to be reached where said machines ability for thought and reasoning surpass that of humans, and a master-slave relationship were to develop, I think a stop would be put to it.




Hopefully.  It's also quite possible that the machine would be able to foresee our every move and predict our behavior.  Already we have neural network programs that are able to track down the location of serial killers purely based upon their pattern of kills, and social psychology is still in its infancy.  fMRI scans allow us to predict our choices before we're even consciously aware of making the choice--after all, we're nothing more but extremely sophisticated biochemical machines.

Which of course is not to deny consciousness, don't get me wrong.  Have you considered the possibility of an AI comprised of a simulated neural network also possessing a form of self-awareness?

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Besides, we do not even fully understand the potential of human beings. Our ability for evolution is unrestrained.
Telepathy, Telekineses, Controlling ones health with ones mind, these things are just the tip of the iceberg and we are just now beginning to unlock that facet.
We have the potential to ascend to Godhood. We have the ability to create life, will that life surpass that which is capable of the infinite?
And where does - Free Will.. come into the equation?




Yes, this poses the other interesting half of the problem.  I just don't think that you can easily dismiss away the technological problem.

As for free will... quite frankly, I do not believe in it.


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    #9586443 - 01/11/09 12:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

But getting back on topic:

What do you feel about parallels between angelic/demonic entities and these aliens?


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    #9586460 - 01/11/09 12:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think angelic demonic entities could be aliens, but they exist in a completely different concept of reality. I'm not sure exactly what this place is, possibly a dimension of the mind or a dimension the mind can tap into. Also possibly they are aliens or even earth based creatures, which are made of a substance we have not discovered yet, and humans senses are not able to naturally detect easily.


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    #9586470 - 01/11/09 12:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Right.  I always find it funny when die-hard materialists decry the existence of other dimensions or metaphysical beings that can't ordinarily be perceived with the senses; the mere fact that an entire electromagnetic spectrum existed for thousands of years without humanity being aware of it is proof enough that there is far more out there we simply haven't discovered yet.


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    #9586484 - 01/11/09 12:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It seems to be a big human trait to think that the current system of thought explains everything. I think the discovery of dark matter is more proof that this isen't true.


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    #9586511 - 01/11/09 12:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow that's really interesting. Did your 'waking' encounters facilitate through trance or meditation? Or straight up physical reality communication? I'd be interested in hearing about one of these encounters if you didn't mind sharing.




I have been somewhat wary about sharing my experiences openly in the past, as they are often rather personal and open myself up to massive scrutiny and insults by those who would choose to do such a thing, which is not uncommon. But I have learned that it is better to share with those who would listen, and 'not give a fuck' about the critics. So..

My earliest "waking" encounters I can remember began when I was about 4 or 5 or so. I would wake up suddenly from a sleep, in what I now know to be a state of "sleep paralysis". These events were always memorable, as everything seemed to we 'wavy', and grainy, like I was watching fuzz on a channel on TV without reception. These beings would commune with my via my "minds eye", and I would often "see" their "auras" or get a brief glimpse of their energy field, but there was no physical manifestation that my physical eyes could see. All communication was done subconsciously.. via telepathy. This was the reason dreaming was most often used, as in the dream state, the subconscious mind is in full control, and communication between us is better facilitated in those states of consciousness where the ego is often not present to deny said reality and cause confusion or dissonance.

As I was very young, I had nothing to base these experiences off of, and I thought of them as normal occurrences. Most of them just went into the back of my mind.
When I got a bit older.. around 15 or 16.. and started experimenting with psychedelics, at the same time I was beginning to experiment heavily with altered states of consciousness, such as lucid dreaming, meditation, astral projection, etc. This is when the floodgates opened, and I began putting everything together and began to understand my earlier experiences.

It was quite frequently around this time, that I was having lucid dreams or "training sessions" as I call them, with this one female Pleiadian entity, whom I refer to as Sasha.
She would teach me all kinds of things. They were very intensive training sessions, where I would learn all about the mind.
In several of them, I was like a 'secret agent' of sorts, where I would practice my skills, one.. infiltrating an 'enemy base', where I would shapeshift, turn invisible, crawl on the ceiling, look through walls, spying on these people. I'd get caught, and fly away. Another where I would battle malevolent forces, there was a lot of that. Hostile entities who were seeking to hurt me, I would use mental prowess or telekinesis to disarm them or neutralize them and render them harmless.
In one of these dreams in particular, I remember waking up after an intense telekenisis session, and upon being woken by a friend who has just walked into the room, I opened my eyes and focused all my energy on the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes - the ceiling fan above my bed (which was off). The second I opened my eyes and thought "BAM!" directing my energy upwards.. the glass covering surrounding the light, shattered and went flying across my room. My friend just stood there in disbelief, even though he witnessed it. It was then I learned that this is not to be taken lightly at all and must be respected beyond all measure, in fact I have not even practiced it since then because I do not fully understand it.

There have been many instances of "waking" contact experiences, most of them while I was alone and facilitated the contact by requesting it.
But there have also been many "group" contacts, where there were multiple or many people there to experience the contact.

One in particular, a group of friends and I had taken a fairly hefty dose of LSD, and we were exploring around the woods. I made the contact.
We all had this uncontrollable urge to get indoors to a friend's house, like we were magnetically drawn there.
Once inside, we were all sitting around in relative silence, toking a little ganja, in the dark, which was weird. But this is where it gets odd.
We feel their presence outside, at least.. several of us do. There were two people there that did not believe in this sort at all.. they refuse to believe in extra-terrestrials beings, angels, demons.. whatever you want to call them... they fell asleep, right there, just passed out. 
The beings come into the room, we can feel their energy, I can "see" them. A couple of my friends were a little spooked, everyone acknowledged the presence of these beings, even though we couldn't "see" them. I was told to calm them down, which I did by brief explanation.
I then lay down and the beings did a sort of brain scan, it was then that me and one other friend, got up and "floated" to his house, just the two of us.. where more of this took place.
I later discovered that this "call" was made to Service-To-Self greys, which is why my friends were so spooked. They had implanted some kind of communication device in my brain.

I renounced my affiliation with these beings, once I discovered what I had done. Yes, it was totally my responsibility for calling these beings, because I had made "The Call" with fearful, or self-serving intentions, and that is the type of beings that responded to the call.

I then called upon my higher self, my spirit guardian, and the council of 12 and Pleiadian light surgeons to remove this implant as well as the "memory block matrix" which resides in every humans lower brain.. a sort of energy grid shaped like a mushroom, which supresses the memory of past lives. This contact was initiated completely sober and with good intentions as part of my spiritual development in order to help others.
I entered into a trance state via meditation, and was instructed to lay flat, focus only on my breathing and assisting the surgeons to remove the memory grid by visualizing what they call a "Quantum Transiguration Grid". basically a cube, composed of a crisscrossed grid of lines made up of ultraviolent/multidimensional light, and put this over the area of the blockage, sending pulses of light energy towards the block. This took about an hour and when it was finished the back of my neck near where the spine comes near the brain was very sore and I was instructed to soak in warm water and epsom salts.

These are just a few of the experiences that stick out in my mind. I have tons of them and could probably write half a book with just those alone.
Several of the "mass contacts" I was referring to, took place at gatherings or music festivals, but that is another story entirely.

So yeah, a lot of my contacts have been during "altered states" either awake or asleep.. whether those altered states were facilitated by entheogens, meditation, trance-like states, etc, doesn't really seem to matter, the result is pretty much the same. I have experienced flickers or glimpses of these reality in my normal.. waking.. "beta" mindwave state, but they are fleeting.. peripheral vision type stuff. The vast majority of contact experiences retained in the conscious for me, occur in altered states, dreams being one of the most common, but most assuredly during waking states as well.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9586655 - 01/11/09 01:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you feel about parallels between angelic/demonic entities and these aliens?




I think feel that it is very applicable.
The way I understand it, there is most assuredly a "yin and yang" aspect to the universe.
Light and dark, matter and anti-matter. Just a few basic examples. Two aspects that create a whole.

The same holds true for beings.
In the case for beings, there exists what is known as Service-to-Self, and Service-to-Other.
They each have distinct differences, in that one is more interested in serving itself than others, or vica versa.
This is not to say that Service-To-Other beings have no self interest.. they do, but the Service-To-Others is far more pronounced.
I could explain the differences in great detail but for the purpose of this post that should suffice.
For the most basic understand, the STS types feed from Fear, and the STO types are empowered by Love.

In the 3rd dimension, we live a mixed bag. A soul incarnation can be both types, he does not have to choose between one or another, there can be great degrees of variance between the two states or "Soul-Orientation" as it is called. In the 3rd dimension, there are purely STO people, and those who are purely STS, and most people are somewhere inbetween... undecided.

In the 4th dimension, consciousness takes on a different form. It is more of a group consciousness - still with individual identity, but there is more of a "hive-mentality" or group consciousness. In this density, souls must choose between one orientation or the other - it is a prerequisite you could say, for ascending to this level. There are no in-betweeners or people on the fence, you are one or the other. These groups tend to stick with their own kind - forming communities of like-minded individuals. You probably wont see a camp of STO and STS living amongst each other.

As each dimension is offset from another, odd...even...odd..even (see the yin-yang pattern here?) - just like with musical notes.
We could ascribe this to every dimension.
1st dimension - discord
2nd dimension - unity
3rd dimension -discord
4th dimension - unity
5th - discord
6th- unity
7th - discord
8th - Octave?
etc..


We can assume the 5th dimension would be a realm of mixed polarization once more, but a further evolved consciousness. However, it is hard to grasp the concept of dimensions much higher than our own, so I will stick to the 4th... I believe the 5th dimension is non-physical anyway, purely spiritual energy.. if we are talking about sentient beings or "souls", residing on that plane.

For the sake of this argument, we will say the 4th dimension (or 4th density, to be more accurate)... is a quasi-physical realm. The atoms of this realm are vibrating at a higher frequency than they are in the 3rd dimension, and thus are more spread out. It is not quite purely physical, but not yet purely spiritual either.

I will say that most alien beings visiting our solar system, probably reside in the 4th dimension, perhaps some in the 5th.
For this reason, we can see how the archetypes of angels and demons emerge -
The "STO" or love-compassion based beings, which comprise the majority visiting the planet at this time
and the "STS" or fear-control based beings, who we have a very rich history with here on Earth.
Many people would see these as "angels" or "demons".

I myself see it as I see it - beings with benevolent intentions or beings with malevolent intentions.

I have however, experienced beings who feed off of fear in the 5th dimension.
In lucid dreams, or nightmares (I believe lucid dreams and nightmares occur on the same plane of existence, just different states of mind)


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9586656 - 01/11/09 01:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Usually when it comes to these topics i cant wait to add something.
In this case i believe much has been said already.
Although... i would like to add one important thing IMO.
All of our current technology.. isnt ours.
Also .. we are in a stage in evolution that also wasnt our catalyst.
I will attempt to explain something from my POV that might help relieve some possible anxiety  when it comes to the whole story.
Free will is what makes existence possible in the way we all experience it. No matter what your perception is.
The free will has been abridged.. Many times.
Even from the side of the benevolent beings trying to help.
Barbara Hand Clow said  about the "alien encounters"  : Its either that or "cosmic silence"
I dont  know what to say to this.
I would not want to be the one to decide for anybody , just as i feel i do not have the sufficient knowledge to decide this for myself at this current "time".
Anyhow.. what i wanted to say..
Its not our fault.
Trust me..
I understand the whole idea of personally being responsible and helping this transition/evolution with individual seeking and balancing..
But.. Its not our fault. And believe me when i tell you this .. We will be taken care of.
They have to.
Like Shroomism said.. This planet "was" a type of experiment.
If we ever get to the point of potentially destroying our selves .. they will react.
Because wherever we are right now.. they are partially responsible for it.
Nuclear energy - they helped
Pyramids - They built them
You cannot even begin to imagine how much of your reality is a "product"
We are pretty much starring at a world that is what remains from extra-terrestrial influences.
Religion  -  Not our fault. Forget about that whole story about man thinking that god is lightning .. etc..
They "came down".. tried to help .. but we thought they were gods.
I will admit it was human error. We enabled the distortion. They provided it.
There are so many "off-planet" people here with us right now you wouldnt believe it if someone told you.
If i had to guess  i would agree with the theory that african-american people are the only true inhabitants , that actually didnt come from another place.
Tell them to sit and meditate after all theyve been through and what they are still going through.
Most of them still struggle to survive unless i have my information wrong.
Im not trying to portray the "aliens" as bad guys at all.. Keep this in mind. On the contrary..
Just adding to what has already been said.
Emphasizing ! Dont be scared. The earthly human has been pushed around too much.
Ever since he first asked for help or was offered help and accepted it.
It is the understanding of free will and personal integrity that will set you free.
I believe this logos(galaxy) of ours has a kind of a "learn from your mistakes" charisma to it.
Everything is going according to plan. And as much as i too would advise people to work on their own progress , i  believe it is not essential.
There will be no bad outcome awaiting us "if we dont straighten up".
They fucked us up.
We are not our governments or the mirror image of what stands behind them.
The educational system is stupefying.
The parents are doing an equal job .. and i can go on and on proving to you that when the water is infected.. the fish will be sick.
It all leads to a point where you look at yourself  and whatever youve become..
around yourself  at the people.. the world and say..
Its not my fault.
And you would be right.

"We create our own reality"
True
There is no way around it.
But.. a goldfish in a bowl can only rely on having a short memory span in order to cope with going in circles 24/7 .. metaphorically speaking.
Your pet dog will find it most inconvenient if you send him to the street after hes been taught to live indoors.


Sit tight.
Observe..
Do your research.. never give up seeking.
Experiment with your limitations and boundaries , even though they only exist within the piece of flesh we call the mind.
"Exercise the mind , knowing it is only an exercise"

Express love.. knowing that even if you dont know how or why this is so hard , it is within you and it is what governs you beyond all and any "information"
Show compassion , without feeling guilty for not being able to do this sometimes.
Be proud and cocky for being alive , without blaming the ego every time.
Say you are sorry , when you never blame it.
And even though it might be hard to except , understand or even give this idea a chance.. remember - All is one.

Aliens .. do exist.
So get over it.. fuck it..
forget about it if you want.. and focus on being as best as you can for yourself and for the one standing next to you.
Let that circulate until the loop hits you in the ass with bliss :smile:
Then.. watch the circle get brighter and brighter. Watch it pulse.
Watch it vibrate and send out a message to the entire cosmos..
"WE ARE HERE NOW" 
they are waiting for us.. not the other way around.
I know..
too confusing.. too insane.. too fucking stupid to comprehend ...
im sry :frown:
ive been to passionate lately..
Ill be back with something that makes more sense  :rofl:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9586677 - 01/11/09 01:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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For the most basic understand, the STS types feed from Fear, and the STO types are empowered by Love.




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In this density, souls must choose between one orientation or the other - it is a prerequisite you could say, for ascending to this level. There are no in-betweeners or people on the fence, you are one or the other.




You don't think it's possible that there exist extradimensional entities for whom the very concepts of fear and love are irrelevant?  I'd say it's quite likely that there exist beings far more advanced than ourselves for whom the very concept of acting in a selfish or selfless manner is meaningless to them... imagine a parallel to an ant trying to understand the concept of human morality.

We stay out of their path... they don't touch us.  We get in their way, and they squash us like a bug.


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    #9586766 - 01/11/09 01:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I never said I don't think it's possible..
It's just beyond my ability to comprehend at the moment.
In fact, I believe that beings in the upper-echelons of higher dimensions form this same thing you are referring to.

Or the culmination of all dimensions manifested simultaneously.. the 12th dimension, or wherever it "ends"
The center of the Universe, God, All-That-IS.. whatever you want to call it
This "consciousness" would probably be devoid of any such polarity..
Rather.. an all-encompassing entity for all possibilities, it just IS.
Nothing is "good" or "bad" per se.. that is just how we see things, with our limited perspective
I think everything happens for a reason, and EXIST for a reason
And yes, it is far beyond our cognitive ability to understand or rationalize

But I do think the concepts of "fear" and "love" are universal standards,
just applied in different ways
There is certainly a "balance" to the "force"..
But do these culminate into the collective at some higher level, to form a source..
Almost definitely..
All is one, after all... it's all a cycle


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: jivJaN]
    #9586837 - 01/11/09 01:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Very well said fellow Lightworker.

I agree with much of your sentiment.
Yes, much of our current state of affairs is as a direct result of external intervention in the past...
Which is part of the reason for the rule of non-interference in this Galaxy..
We have a VERY rich history of interference by ET entities,
In fact, going back to beginning.
I didn't want to go into much detail about that, but I suppose it is relevant, and will be necessary at a future time.

But we are still responsible for our actions.
Yes, one is limited by his environment.. infected water leads to sick fish
much of this has merit, but we cannot use that as a general excuse, not when we know better.
There is a LOT of healing that needs to take place. And I mean a lot.
A lot of karmic energy has accumulated on this planet.
Which is why there are so many lightworkers in action at this time...
This world is set to enter the light, past burdens will need to be cast aside
And we can embrace our new divinity as sovereign beings, creating our own heaven on Earth.

I can say without going into too much detail, that many of the breeching of Free Will in the past 50 years or so, were done from necessity
And given full permission from the Council of Worlds.
A lot of our ancient history is full to the brim of the breeching of this rule,
and helped shaped us into the civilization we have today, so you are absolutely right in that regard
We have been in the shadows for a very long time, and we are doing surprisingly well considering.
Earth is a mixing pot and we have some of the most resilient humans in the galaxy incarnated here....

I have no doubt in our ability to transcend this mess, that has been co-created by us.
We will rise above it. And we will learn our FULL history.. in due time.
Hopefully in the very near future, it will all be revealed.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9586861 - 01/11/09 01:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Do you believe we have done any experimentation or committed other atrocities to these beings? Knowing our race i would expect this type of thing to happen.


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    #9586875 - 01/11/09 01:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Which is why there are so many lightworkers in action at this time...




Right alongside the torchbearers for the dark.  :yinyang:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9586927 - 01/11/09 01:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

To me earth is the most alien thing to me forget the giant balls of dust and rock earth to me seems like the center of the universe to be honest. Im pretty comfortable with the idea that what ever these things are they seem to be outside of time altogether, maybe once they did infact have something to do with it but too me it just looks like these things went about on their own.

I dont think we'll ever be able to comprehend them in a different light then angels demons w/e they will take on different forms throughout the cosmos but what remains is that theyll be there its up to you whether you want to acknowledge them or not either way giving them any thought at least in my perspective is a waste of time forget a new language forget intentions it's going to happen no matter what just be happy and hope that when you get recycled your time as a warlord in some ceaserean goverment on the dark side of the moon doesnt come back to kick in the balls through insurance or mtv.

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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9586938 - 01/11/09 01:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Right alongside the torchbearers for the dark.  :yinyang:




I don't deny that for a second. I've clashed with many of them in this lifetime..
Always a beautiful spectacle to behold.
Although I don't agree with their views. I admire their perseverance and dedication.
Almost as stubborn as me! :grin:


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Do you believe we have done any experimentation or committed other atrocities to these beings? Knowing our race i would expect this type of thing to happen.




Well there is the Area 51 ordeal, which did happen btw, although it has been covered up as much as possible.
The US government in particular, has a very extensive history with the STS zetas.


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    #9586973 - 01/11/09 02:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

One of the things which leads me to remain open-minded of the possibility that the UFOs are actually of extraterrestrial origins is that some alien abductees have passed polygraph tests. Although, it is possible to cheat a polygraph test, especially if you have nothing to lose. Here are the nine cases that I was referring to: http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseView.asp?section=polygraph  :et:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #9587030 - 01/11/09 02:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think polygraphs are a horrible invention. I think they're actually statistically wrong 1 in 10 times, from memory. Thats pretty high.

I don't know about ufo's. They seem to be pretty advanced technology. But the government has created technology civilians have never heard of. But they also seem to have been around for a long time. Which i find to be very strange. Maybe some of them are aliens. Maybe humans on earth are actually the offspring of humans from another planet,the original birthplace of humanity, who's inhabitants are thousands of years more advanced than us and are actually controlling us with their advanced knowledge of science.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9587091 - 01/11/09 02:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

There are many beings on Earth whose origins are from other planets. That is not to say they landed here on a spaceship and started walking around with human civilization, their soul chose to incarnate here, and was born on the planet, but their origin may be another place entirely. Although walk-ins have been known to occur, it's certainly not the norm.
But we have a lot of people on Earth right now, who aren't from Earth originally.
As far as I know, the history of the people of Earth goes back some 22 billion years or more, when beings from Lyra first came here.
But there was another primitive terrestial humanoid on the planet then..
And there has been much genetic manipulation in the past.. a lot of interference from other worlds. 

As for UFOs, there are different types. UFOs from aliens, and UFOs that the government is flying around as secret craft.
They certainly got some of their information and technology from the STS aliens.
But they are far inferior to real UFOs/alien spacecraft..  which are capable of multidimensional travel faster than the speeds of light.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9587115 - 01/11/09 02:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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As far as I know, the history of the people of Earth goes back some 22 billion years or more, when beings from Lyra first came here.



The universe itself is believed to be only 15 billion years old.  Current scientific estimates put the age of the earth and the solar system at about 5 billion years.  The earliest upright-walking hominids which scientists believe to be our ancestors first appeared about 3 or 4 million years ago.  Modern humans are only about 130,000 years old.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9587127 - 01/11/09 02:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So they have alien souls in human bodies? If their soul gets hooked up to a human body wouldn't they be very similar to humans, because they are subject to the same chemicals in the brain, creating the same emotions and thoughts etc. And with infinite reincarnations, wouldn't we all have spent some time in alien bodies.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9587134 - 01/11/09 02:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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The universe itself is believed to be only 15 billion years old.  Current scientific estimates put the age of the earth and the solar system at about 5 billion years.  The earliest upright-walking hominids which scientists believe to be our ancestors first appeared about 3 or 4 million years ago.  Modern humans are only about 130,000 years old.




Sorry, I forgot science had it all figured out, my bad.

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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9587146 - 01/11/09 02:42 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Sorry, I forgot science had it all figured out, my bad.

BTW did they find the cure for cancer yet?



By all means, dispute the geological and fossil evidence.  I'm just the messenger.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9587151 - 01/11/09 02:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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So they have alien souls in human bodies? If their soul gets hooked up to a human body wouldn't they be very similar to humans, because they are subject to the same chemicals in the brain, creating the same emotions and thoughts etc. And with infinite reincarnations, wouldn't we all have spent some time in alien bodies.




Something like that. I would say "Human souls", and a soul is not limited by what it can incarnate into really, as long as that body can sustain its consciousness. But you wont see any human souls incarnating into plants. With infinite reincarnations, it is very likely a soul has lived on several different planets during previous incarnations. But many souls on Earth are very young.

Although to look at aliens living among humans.. I would look first to the sea - dolphins and whales. Much more highly evolved than most humans.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9587159 - 01/11/09 02:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I get the feeling there could be some crazy, alien, collective consciousness in the sea, possibly more than one. Could just be a fantasy of mine though. Either way its an incredibly complex and intelligent system.

Dolphins and whales are very smart, but since they don't seem to create technology like we do i haven't seen any example of intelligence at the same level as ours. But i am interested in your view point on this.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9587162 - 01/11/09 02:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The processes of erosion and crustal recycling have destroyed all of the earliest surfaces, and any guess at making an estimate on the age of the Earth is just that - a guess. Based on the information we have at hand. Likewise, it is even more ridiculous to assume we know the age of the Universe, of which we quite frankly know very little about.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9587210 - 01/11/09 02:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I get the feeling there could be some crazy, alien, collective consciousness in the sea, possibly more than one. Could just be a fantasy of mine though. Either way its an incredibly complex and intelligent system.

Dolphins and whales are very smart, but since they don't seem to create technology like we do i haven't seen any example of intelligence at the same level as ours. But i am interested in your view point on this.




That I know of, the aliens that find base on our planet, make their bases in the oceans, or deep underground the surface, such as in mountains. So your feeling is probably not far off.

Creating technology is not a prerequisite for an intelligent species.
In fact, some might say creating technology (as we have it) is evidence of a dumb species :smirk:
Dolphins and whales in particular, lack opposable thumbs and dexterous limbs, so it is not really possible.
But quite frankly they have no need for any type of external technology.

I'm not sure if you are familiar, but there is a vehicle called a Merkaba, which all beings possess..
Which translates roughly into a counter-rotating field of light, that connects the mind, body and soul
It is a multi-dimensional vehicle, which all entities use to travel into new incarnations
Our merkabas are asleep. Dolphins are fully active in their incarnation.
Some higher evolved entities don't even need spaceships (external technology) to travel through the Universe.. they simply will it.
Internal soul technology. All they need.
Their brains are also more highly evolved than ours,
and they have a significantly large frontal lobe than the rest of the brain (in comparison to ours)
They are also capable of using focused sound to produce cavitation, which in water can produce sonoluminescence which can
produce cold fusion and oceanic nuclear energy.
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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9587227 - 01/11/09 03:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's estimated that hundreds of millions of humans are wanderers, ET souls incarnated into human bodies to help assist during this time of transition. The majority of those attracted to the fringe topics, are indeed wanderers. Usually they are marked with some form of impediment, such as bad allergies, which comes with the readjustment to physical reality.

I've had dreams of being in, what I think, may be 4th density. I was on what felt like a gigantic highway, and was traveling by thought. I would jump on this giant piece of machinery and sit hovering a few inches above it, without touching it using it as a means of travel. It was very interesting, I was able to travel from Long Island to NYC extremely quick. Space and time we merging and were quite fluid.

I remember reading somewhere that a lot of our current technology was reverse engineered from the Roswell crash. I know Velcro, infrared, and fiber optics are just a few examples.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9587246 - 01/11/09 03:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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The processes of erosion and crustal recycling have destroyed all of the earliest surfaces, and any guess at making an estimate on the age of the Earth is just that - a guess. Based on the information we have at hand. Likewise, it is even more ridiculous to assume we know the age of the Universe, of which we quite frankly know very little about.



Scientists are well aware of erosion, and take that into account when making such estimates.  Unless you're positing some new, undiscovered force, I would put too much credence in that idea.  As for the universe, we're able to calculate the rate of expansion by measuring the doppler effect from distant galaxies.  They can then calculate that backwards to the point when our universe was just a singularity(the Big Bang).  I will grant that there are still some renegade scientists who dispute the Big Bang theory, but I have yet to hear a convincing argument against it, given the observed evidence.  I'm not trying to be a prick here.  I'm just pointing out that there are reasons for science's current model of the universe, and while new evidence may yet disprove it, it is the best model we have given the current evidence available.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9587266 - 01/11/09 03:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

And what makes us so sure there has only been one Big Bang which created the entire known Universe?
For all we know there could have been millions of them.
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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9587272 - 01/11/09 03:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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And what makes us so sure there has only been one Big Bang which created the entire known Universe?
For all we know there could have been millions of them.



Could be.  Many scientists believe it's quite likely that there are many, possibly infinite universes out there, each with their own Big Bang.  But that's other universes, not ours.  As far as I know, the theories don't allow for more than one Big Bang per universe.

All I wanna know is:  What's it to ya?  Is the timeline you mentioned that important to the point you were trying to raise?  Why's it matter if the aliens came here 22 billion or 100,000 years ago?


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    #9587303 - 01/11/09 03:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I personally feel like I'm connected to an alien body. But i find all of the things in this reality to be amazing alien structures. I think this is a normal human experience, its been a really prominent thing in my life.

I find dreams really interesting, that one you had sounds really amazing. I cant explain them but they seem like some kind of alternate reality.

I had one dream where i was staring into the eyes of an alien. The funny thing about this alien is that it was wearing clothes. I could only see from the head to the shoulders. It had large black eyes and its head was the shape of an irregular oval. We just stared into each other eyes for a long time. I felt myself start to panic, but resisted the urge and decided to try and acclimatise myself to its presence. I think there was some form of telepathic communication occurring.

I also get reoccurring dreams of aboriginal people, which i find to be amazing and strange, but they seem to come and visit me in my dreams.

I also remember a dream where it felt like achieved enlightenment, it was a feeling of pure love.

Ive had other important dreams but these are the most recent. I feel that if we could remember all our dreams we would remember having a lot of mystical experiences while sleeping.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9587525 - 01/11/09 04:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's not really a major sticking point. Call me completely batshit crazy if you will, but I'm more inclined to believe multidimensional space travelers about the age of the Universe than some Earth scientists who argue amongst themselves and change pet theories more often than toilet paper. For the record, they haven't told me an age on the Universe, cause they don't know. But the 22 billion years was the estimated time the first travelers came here, the Earth is supposedly much older.

Also, time is relative. And is not a same constant throughout the Universe.
And I highly disagree with the theory that matter in the Universe is constantly expanding. I think eventually, it will retract.

DimensionX - Dreams are an amazing thing. I believe we don't give them nearly enough credit in our society. Most people just forget about their dreams and go about their day.
Those aboriginal dreams are very interesting. If you do some digging on (the original) aboriginal cultures, they reside on a more primitive plane of existence than modern society, they call it the "Dream realm". And they live much closer to the Earth. The aliens say these small primitive tribes provide a MUCH needed balance to our world and the collective consciousness.
Dreams are highly important in my opinion. That is also the realm where the subconscious mind is in control.. and the same level telepathy occurs on.
Dreams cognition and remembrance is very similar to digging up contact experiences..


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9587909 - 01/11/09 07:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:nothingtoadd:

This thread is a very entertaining read, thank you all. :grin:

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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #9588137 - 01/11/09 10:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Shroomism for sharing your personal experiences with us. I am currently trying to find a method of meditation for entering a trance like state like you've specified. Any specific recommendations? I also have trouble remembering dreams, whether or not if i smoke weed.

For the past few months remembering my dreams have been few and far between and it has been truly frustrating. I'm guessing it has something to do with where i live, because of the constant distractions of people and outside noise. :shrug:

Any advice on entering a rem state much easier?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: jvm]
    #9588818 - 01/11/09 01:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks Shroomism for sharing your personal experiences with us. I am currently trying to find a method of meditation for entering a trance like state like you've specified. Any specific recommendations? I also have trouble remembering dreams, whether or not if i smoke weed.

For the past few months remembering my dreams have been few and far between and it has been truly frustrating. I'm guessing it has something to do with where i live, because of the constant distractions of people and outside noise. :shrug:

Any advice on entering a rem state much easier?



Sry to intrude on your question there sir :smile:
I just thought i might try to help.
Keep waking up during the night. Use an alarm clock that wakes you up.. but isnt too loud or irritating in melody.The best thing you can do. Everytime you wake up .. you will remember what you have been dreaming. Write it down right away. Short notes of only the most important parts of the dream.
Then go back to sleep. Focusing your mind on an image that will represent lucid dreaming for you.
Keep doing that.
Results will be obvious. Maybe even the first night you try.


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    #9588941 - 01/11/09 01:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to agree with Jivvy here, it's of the utmost importance you keep a dream journal and write them down when you wake up. Even if you remember it when you wake up in the middle of the night, your inclined to forget them by the time you fall back asleep. Keeping a journal and writing my dreams down, I have been able to remember a dream a week to about 2-8 dreams a night. I actually use a voice recorder now.


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    #9588947 - 01/11/09 01:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'll have to try that next time I have a night open for experimentation.  My only 2 lucid dreams so far have been total accidents.
Not counting the lucid dreams in the sense of being totally clear headed and conscious without actually realizing I'm dreaming.  God I love dreams.  :sleepingcow:  :bunnypeace:


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    #9589040 - 01/11/09 02:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you both. I have started a dream journal after procrastinating for a while a few days ago.  Should i set the alarm for every 3 hours prior to when i plan on falling asleep?


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    #9589063 - 01/11/09 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm going to agree with Jivvy here, it's of the utmost importance you keep a dream journal and write them down when you wake up. Even if you remember it when you wake up in the middle of the night, your inclined to forget them by the time you fall back asleep. Keeping a journal and writing my dreams down, I have been able to remember a dream a week to about 2-8 dreams a night. I actually use a voice recorder now.



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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: jvm]
    #9589196 - 01/11/09 02:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Any advice on entering a rem state much easier?




Like jivJaN and others have said, one of the easiest ways to start remembering your dreams is to keep a dream journal and immediately after waking up record your nightly experiences.  The WBTB method also works extremely well to trigger lucidity; just set your alarm clock to go off a couple hours before you ordinarily wake up, and then go back to sleep.

You might also achieve some good results with the WILD technique (my personal favorite).  At night, when you first go to sleep, remain perfectly still, and focus on each muscle at a time alternately tensing it and relaxing it.  The goal here is to sink into a state of perfect physical relaxation--your muscles should be melting in the couch by the time you're done with the visualization exercise.  Once that's done, focus on your breathing.  You want deep, slow breaths and a quiet, but awake mind.  I find the best method here is to either focus on slowly repeating a mantra in your head or by focusing on the breath.  The goal is to let your body/brain fall asleep while your mind stays awake.  After about ten to fifteen minutes of doing this you should start to feel an enormous energy build up in your feet moving through your head: a sense of being vibrated violently.  You also might hear loud noises that don't come from anywhere; don't pay them attention.  In fact, if you focus on the vibrations you will most likely destroy them.  One has to be very Zen like in one's approach here--just let it happen and keep your heart rate down.  Most times you will abort the transition into an OBE by getting too excited.

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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: jivJaN]
    #9589197 - 01/11/09 02:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

As far as i can conclude at this point, if there could be a possible conclusion i'd paraphrase it like this:

  • Aliens exist as a matter of fact

  • Aliens visit this planet

  • Dimensions (body, no body etc) play a significant role.

  • So does perceptions of this entities play a large role.


I for my part stay undecided on that topic. No matter how much Shroomism will write on his experience.
I can't simply believe somebody who puts this information on a drug relatet forum.
Many People are very clever inventing reality.
Although i believe him as a person, he'd experienced these encounters.

I will try to make contact myself.
If i succeed there is no need to believe.
I will know
And so you all should.
All the doubters out there.

I will remain in that state of no-knowledge until i encounter.

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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: jvm]
    #9589202 - 01/11/09 02:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Thank you both. I have started a dream journal after procrastinating for a while a few days ago.  Should i set the alarm for every 3 hours prior to when i plan on falling asleep?




I've read (in "Seth Speaks") that separating your sleep into two daily blocks, as opposed to one 8-9 hour block is highly beneficial to developing dream recall, intuition, and overall physical abilities. I've recently incorporated this into my own life, sleeping a 6 hour block at night and then a hour to 2 hour nap after dinner. The results have been clear, and I've noticed an increased ability during meditation to "open my third eye". Although this doesn't pertain to your question, I figured I'd mention it.

In regards to setting your alarm clock, I've done this a few times. You can look up online REM cycles, and you want to set it right as one REM cycle in ending. If I remember correctly, 3 1/2 in would be good. I've also found it effective to suggest to yourself before you fall asleep that you will wake up in the middle of the night, and you will usually wake up a few minutes before your alarm clock even goes off. So using the alarm clock as a backup is good, but ideally a startling alarm clock is not the best way to waken.


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    #9589243 - 01/11/09 03:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I personally have had no experiences in being contacted by or communicating with aliens.  All my entity contact has been skewed to a more angelic/demonic paradigm; perhaps these are the same folks but with different masks.

I do agree that dreams are one of the the best gateways into this other world, though.  Often times I have found myself coming up out of sleep, still in the hypnopompic phase, and in conversation with something or someone--I do not know who, but it's almost as if I'm being taught new things and being given wise advice.  My dreams also run rampant with seemingly tutorial-like episodes of lucidity where I am practicing telekinesis or pyrokinesis.

Like Shroomism, I'm not sure if I'm wholly comfortable sharing some of my most private encounters for all the world to see, but I will say that my conception of reality has been wholly changed many times over when I started exploring the limits of my mind.  Combining magickal practices such as invocation and evocation with entheogens has been particularly successful in my case.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9589292 - 01/11/09 03:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I for my part stay undecided on that topic. No matter how much Shroomism will write on his experience.
I can't simply believe somebody who puts this information on a drug relatet forum.
Many People are very clever inventing reality.
Although i believe him as a person, he'd experienced these encounters.






In my opinion, a psychedelic forum is the best place to share such experiences. People open to consciousness expansion are usually pretty open to such experiences and encounters. The M&P channel, specifically, is the place to talk about subjective experiences that can't be intelligently talked about  elsewhere simply because they don't fit the current scientific paradigm. For a fellow tripper, I find it mildly offensive you refer to Shroomery as a mere "drug" forum, for "drug" is a word that has polluted the well of language for far too long.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9589350 - 01/11/09 03:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I do agree that dreams are one of the the best gateways into this other world, though.  Often times I have found myself coming up out of sleep, still in the hypnopompic phase, and in conversation with something or someone--I do not know who, but it's almost as if I'm being taught new things and being given wise advice.  My dreams also run rampant with seemingly tutorial-like episodes of lucidity where I am practicing telekinesis or pyrokinesis.






I've had this communication as well. David Wilcock talks about it a lot too. Its the few seconds you are transitioning from a dream to awake, something "talks" to you. I've only been able to realize this once, and it was transitioning from a lucid dream to awake. This voice said a few things that I remember being afraid of, or discomforted by, but the one that stuck in my mind to this day was "Anything is possible." I think it was referring to my lucid dream where I stayed in my basement for some reason, when I should have been exploring.


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    #9589401 - 01/11/09 03:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes.. this happens to me too.
Last time the words "Mojave desert" stuck with me.
Wait and see :smile:


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    #9589485 - 01/11/09 03:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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In my opinion, a psychedelic forum is the best place to share such experiences. People open to consciousness expansion are usually pretty open to such experiences and encounters. The M&P channel, specifically, is the place to talk about subjective experiences that can't be intelligently talked about  elsewhere simply because they don't fit the current scientific paradigm. For a fellow tripper, I find it mildly offensive you refer to Shroomery as a mere "drug" forum, for "drug" is a word that has polluted the well of language for far too long.




Maybe you're right. This forum is probably a rare opportunity to share some of these experiences

I understand what you mean by mildly offensive but i can't express myself better to express the kind of feeling i have towards such kind of information.

I don't want to touch Shroomism's integrity. I do believe him. I start to believe this kind of encounters are real encounters. That's not the point.

The problem is the proof for myself.
How can you know if a guy who claims to have encountered lots of entities mostly during altered states, isn't just hallucinating hard.
Maybe this is ignorance on my part.

I didn't reach the hallucinating trip levels (4-5) yet.
As i said, i will try too reach higher states of consciousness soon.
Maybe i share my experiences with you in this thread.

I've got zero-experience in that area, thats the only reason i doubt.




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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9589710 - 01/11/09 04:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No, that is good on you myshroomyhead. I don't expect anyone to take my words on face value.
Go experience things for yourself, form your own opinion.
That is the best way to find out.
I only share what I know to be, as I have experienced.
However, I will say that it is almost insulting for someone to suggest that I don't know the difference between multidimensional entities, and hallucinations.. such as the walls morphing. :smile:
I know the difference between what is reality and what is a product of my own head. But no harm no foul.


As for jvm's question about remembering dreams and inducing lucid dreams.. the best advice has already been given - keep a dream journal. That has been the most effective method for me in remembering dreams. Just quickly jot down as soon as you wake up.. who what when where why.. all the details you can remember. You'll find it becoming easier and easier to retain those dreams. I've never experimented with setting an alarm clock every three hours or anything, because well I hate alarm clocks.. but I sometimes sleep in intervals like that anyway, naturally.

As for lucidity, the WILD method deCypher posted, is the method I have used with great success many times. Focus on the breathing.. not the vibrations.. ignore them.. be one with them.. let them wash over you without second thinking it. Being very zen-like is indeed the key, you are a monk, and it is a form a meditation, don't be distracted by the crazy vibrations all around you.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9589978 - 01/11/09 05:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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There are many humanoid races. Human is the most common form of intelligent life in this Galaxy by far..
However, intelligent species come in MANY other forms. It just so happens that humans are the most common.
Zetas themselves, are humanoids.. they were once humans much like us. Now, their genetics almost resembles plants more than human DNA.
But there are many human alien races who are known to work alongside the zetas. Pleiadians, Sirians, Andromedans, to name a few.. are all human entities.
Many refer to the "Nordic" race as the tall, blonde aliens, but not very much is known about them. Just that they are almost all benevolent, and not very patient with our awakening process. 






the stuff you say makes sense but how do you know?

on another note, has anyone seen that ep of ufo hunters were it shows the medical examiner who had aroune 5 and up proceedures to remove little metal capsules that numerouse people had inbeded in their arm etc. these capsules were infused with the (nerves?) or some kind of nuerological vein im not sure what it was connected to.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: ZackWyldeFan]
    #9590153 - 01/11/09 05:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I'm a traveler.. not originally from Earth. Just visiting, on a mission. I know because I have to know, so I can share.
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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9590157 - 01/11/09 05:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism, when, if ever, do you believe telepathy and telekinesis will become widespread?


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9590230 - 01/11/09 06:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I've already met some highly telepathic people in recent years. It is already becoming widespread.
If you mean "widespread" as in.. critical mass.. all of humanity type of thing, well I think that will come in due time, I believe definitely in this lifetime, and I am guessing we will start seeing some big changes in that area in the next couple of years. (Which I am guessing are going to be VERY interesting..)
The whole 2012 'awakening' thing, may or may not have something to do with it. While I won't put value in any specific dates or predictions, I think there is certainly merit to the process of change being accelerated and acting as a catalyst by the end and beginnings of great cosmic cycles, such as the one we are entering.. change is inevitable. How it unfolds is a different story, I think that's largely up to us.
I refuse to believe in any armeggeddon-type scenarios unfolding, although it is possible and Earth changes are known to occur around these cosmic cycles.. but I do believe that we will see the destruction of modern industrialized civilization in this lifetime, and the rebuilding of human society, closer to the Earth. It is during these times of great change in society, when communities form, that I believe telepathy and telekinesis will become even more widespread and will eventually become a standard for communication and maybe even travel in the future. Most people need such dramatic paradigm shifts in order to begin reprogramming.
So I'm not going to put any specific date on it, but I'm predicting that telepathy becomes more and more widespread within the next 10 years or so, and eventually will become the standard for communication. "One language" for the all the people of Earth...
The internet, I have always said.. is like our telepathy primer. Interconnected.
I think at a future time, the internet will be more like a central database, that anyone can 'plug into' at any time for information.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9590247 - 01/11/09 06:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting.  I think it will be tricky maintaining a ratio of knowledge to power--if telekinesis becomes more widespread before telepathy and empathy develop, I fear we will see far too many psychonautic hooligans wreaking havoc on Earth.

Of course, there will probably be those who have both the knowledge and the power and choose to defy free will regardless.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: deCypher]
    #9590285 - 01/11/09 06:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, that is why I always advocate taking responsibility for your actions, and like anything potentially dangerous, know the results and consequences of your actions and use it safely and responsibly. Same thing with say.. handling a knife, or a gun. You don't want to cut yourself or even worse - hurt someone else. They can be a tool, or a weapon.

But believe me, there are those who are more than capable of neutralizing 'psychonautic hooligans' from wreaking havoc and defying the laws of Free Will.
I have seen it first hand, it is not very wise to push the borders too much.. karma is instantaneous in the 4th dimension.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Shroomism]
    #9611005 - 01/14/09 10:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think in the coming days and years changes will occur that will open our minds to the truth.  I think mushies will help some of us better understand those changes too :smile:


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9614496 - 01/15/09 02:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I've had several UFO sightings.  I saw a guy with reptilian eyes(possible reptilian).  And of course the DMT elves and salvia people are in my opinion a trans-dimensional alien.  So yea aliens of course exist...


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    #9615950 - 01/15/09 07:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I don't like this reptilian thing.  Among the most scientific alien/UFO researchers its consider completely unfounded (I have studied the evidence and I agree at this point that the evidence is seriously lacking).  Some UFO buffs are claiming its disinformation too.

If I saw a lizard man walking around myself then I'd probably take it more seriously :grin:

Equally with drug induced visitations.  I find it interesting but consider it to go against helping my desires of getting ufology more into mainstream science and less out of the realms of speculation.


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9621304 - 01/16/09 03:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This is a great thread and when I have more time I would love to add to the discussion here. Until then I just want to add an excerpt relating to what DeCypher said regarding a technological singularity. It instantly sparked within my mind so here it is:

One of the scientists working at Redstone Arsenal for the Army wrote a paper on the future of computers. In this story man as presently constructed and known by us has a mission on this planet-- to construct a solid-state life form which will be self-reproducing and which will be a computer which will take up most of the surface of the Earth.

Man's mission is to be sure that this computer is invulnerable, that it has control over the means of mining its raw materials, of processing these raw materials, of manufacturing its own components, and of assembling these components so that it "grows" itself. It is to set up all the means independently of man to take care of itself far into the future. It is to do theoretical physical research; it is to do experimental research to find out how to control the orbit of the planet, the movement of the planet through the cosmos. It is to be designed to operate near absolute zero temperature in the presence of hard radiation and in the vacuum of outer space. It is to become totally independent of the needs of the biological organisms (men) which gave rise to it. It is to be highly indifferent as to the future fate of man. It may keep a few human specimens in well-protected zoos for its own amusement.

Man is no longer to be given the responsibility for the future of the planet. Man has become obsolete in creating his own successor-- a successor who is far more fitted to survive than any biological organism as we know them. God as the Computer has finally became realized. And the earthside computer takes over; all industry, all production, all marketing become obsolete. Since this computer is selling only to itself, there is no longer a need for markets; there is no longer any need for transportation for humans; there is no longer any need for communication among humans. The computer has taken over all means of communication including satellites, radio, cables. This new solid-state organism has no more need for the seas or the organisms therein and so it sends that water and salt out into outer space. It no longer has need for the atmosphere, which it also evaporates into outer space. It is now protected from deterioration through the operation of water and salts. It has a hard vacuum and a dry one so that its operations will be protected.

At this point it feels the radiation of the sun as introducing too many errors in its computation and so moves the planet farther away from the sun. This computer then receives intimations that there are other beings like itself traveling though the galaxy, so it goes off to hunt them, to find its kind created elsewhere in our galaxy.

This tale ends in a moral. If we can conceive of such a situation and see all the steps toward its completion in reality, then somewhere in our galaxy this has already been done...


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9621924 - 01/16/09 06:02 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

aliens are very real. ufo's are very real. out of all this vast space and the advances weve made in such a short period. its immpossible not to think that out of billions and billions of galaxies. that there isnt some weird shit goin on. our brain filters alot of knowlegde. open mind's grow further then closed.It might sound fictional but me and my friends have seen a ufo. call me crazy but plane/helicopters do not hover and do not glow a bright orange and the flight patterns we witnessed were not of human. helicopters dont move from side to side that easiley and one of my friends is a pilot. and it might sound crazy but me and my family have seen sasquach camping in the mountains. at least we think we did . it wasnt a bear. if it was it was a tall ass bear that walked hunched on its hind legs.very scarey.. we left immediatly .


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Re: Aliens, a definitive answer? [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #9635518 - 01/19/09 02:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)



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