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LSD and relativity
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Here is another essay I wrote a few years back:

Logic is applying the mathematical way of thought to problems. The basis of spacial math, is euclidean geometry, where a straight line in n-dimensions never meets itself in n-dimensions and parallel lines never cross. So the logic that we use to interpret the 3-dimensional world we live in is based on this geometry. The first doubt that this could cast on logic is that one can prove all of geometry with a different initial assumption. Mathematicians have worked out geometries where a parallel line crosses once, twice and could theoretically be proven for any other original assumption. Another interesting, but unrelated thing about geometry, is that a straight line in n-dimensions when laid/drawn on an m-dimensional shape where m>n, can still be straight in n-dimensions while it can curve in m-dimensions. For example a line around a sphere could be straight in 2-dimensions, but in 3 it curves around the sphere.

This brings us to relativity, which in a lot of ways is as big a discovery as the world being shown to be round. Relativity shows us that mass, and to a much lesser extent energy bends the vary fabric of space time. Over very small portions (on the scale we inhabit) of space (with the exception of black holes) Space time is essentially flat and has therefore allowed us to classical sciences. However the idea that time is relative depending on speed (one year on a ship near the speed of light will take hundreds of earth years) and by being close to mass or energy. One of the interesting things about the fact that space time is curved is that curved space has non-euclidean geometry. So on a large scale, all of the basic geometry that governs spacial math and spacial logic is skewed. Does this mean that euclidean geometry does not apply? No, because the scale that we live our day to day lives and make our observations and the fact that we are not near black holes, means that our perceived patch of space time is essentially flat.

One thing that one can expect about a mind, it should also act on the rules of the universe. This is because all the experiences that one has, and all the information that one collects (not only consciously but also the plethora of information that gets filtered out before it reaches the conscience mind) will back this  and the mind will wholly  believe this. One Of the most noticeable affects of LSD (at least to me) is the bursting at the seems look that reality gets, where every straight line is bending away from each other. Another strange far less easily described affect that I get is the bending of logic, i conjunction a sense of time elongation. It as if I stepped out of our world into one that was no longer governed by the classical rules of physics. My hypothesis for this is that my mind realizes the incredible cognitive energy that LSD brings to my mind that it bends reality in a similar way. LSD effects the dopamine, serotonin, and adrenoreceptors, as well as glutamine release in the cortex. This causes a great deal of excitement (energy) in the brain.

While there is no evidence showing any real connection between relativity and lsd's effects. It is at least interesting to look at the similarities. It is obvious that lsd bends one's perception of time and space, as well as bending logic. It is also a fact that according to relativity mass and energy bend space time, and are a non-euclidean geometry, flying right in the face of logic.

I want to end this essay with a warning, this connection was thought up during a very boring 20 hr solo drive, and me being a physicist can effect everything, because who I am effects how my mind perceives reality.

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Re: LSD and relativity [Re: gento]
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That you are a physicist and know it is great encouragement to me that you can see yourself pulling the relativity sock onto the psychedelic effect, and can smile at that knowing it is a mental projection (from your linear thought basis).

A pretty good one too.

I have approached it from the angle of mind being ideation through time:
each idea is composed of sensory (new signals) and associative memory (recalled signals)
each of these lasts 1/15 th of a second more or less and fades away.
everything happening together gets linked into a memory image
(all the fragments of vision, sound, body sense, memory, taste, smell).
then as it is fading away the next mind moment gets linked together into another memory image.
the fading away permits sequence memory to form, supporting the sense of a stream of consciousness.

the chemical changes in the brain are quite general for psychedelic, and what they tend to do is keep signals firing a bit longer when excited.

the consequence of this is that signals representing a mind moment will fade more slowly. New ideation (sensation and memory) keeps happening at the same rate, but the fading does not keep up: more than one 3-d totality can be experienced when this happens, and for 2-d experience, like raw unprocessed vision, the layering is much like photo slides superimposed.

at a macro level this gives you richer color, multiple dimensions, tracers, trails, echoes, time dilation, reverse time (what happened earlier is still just as real as what happened after, and this can be very confusing) and bending (or bursting) space.

if the dose-effect is strong enough even personality will fork or branches of personality will persist, and a person can experience this as semi autonomous entities; or a memory can be revisited in totality at the same time that a person is in "the real world" which is known better as delirium.


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Re: LSD and relativity [Re: redgreenvines]
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which is known better as delirium.



The technical term is 'really fucked up'.


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Re: LSD and relativity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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"techno", is that the same as "house"?


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Re: LSD and relativity [Re: gento]
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Relativity is trippy.  :yesnod:

It is also a fact that according to relativity mass and energy bend space time, and are a non-euclidean geometry, flying right in the face of logic.

No, they dont fly in the face of logic; they are completely logical in that they directly follow from the postulates.  I would say that they fly in the face of intuition which need not be logical at all.

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Re: LSD and relativity [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
That you are a physicist and know it is great encouragement to me that you can see yourself pulling the relativity sock onto the psychedelic effect, and can smile at that knowing it is a mental projection (from your linear thought basis).

A pretty good one too.

I have approached it from the angle of mind being ideation through time:
each idea is composed of sensory (new signals) and associative memory (recalled signals)
each of these lasts 1/15 th of a second more or less and fades away.
everything happening together gets linked into a memory image
(all the fragments of vision, sound, body sense, memory, taste, smell).
then as it is fading away the next mind moment gets linked together into another memory image.
the fading away permits sequence memory to form, supporting the sense of a stream of consciousness.

the chemical changes in the brain are quite general for psychedelic, and what they tend to do is keep signals firing a bit longer when excited.

the consequence of this is that signals representing a mind moment will fade more slowly. New ideation (sensation and memory) keeps happening at the same rate, but the fading does not keep up: more than one 3-d totality can be experienced when this happens, and for 2-d experience, like raw unprocessed vision, the layering is much like photo slides superimposed.

at a macro level this gives you richer color, multiple dimensions, tracers, trails, echoes, time dilation, reverse time (what happened earlier is still just as real as what happened after, and this can be very confusing) and bending (or bursting) space.

if the dose-effect is strong enough even personality will fork or branches of personality will persist, and a person can experience this as semi autonomous entities; or a memory can be revisited in totality at the same time that a person is in "the real world" which is known better as delirium.




I really like this, I've always wondered how lsd actually effects the brain. I have to say, I don't know if I really believe what I wrote in this essay, I just get on really crazy thought tangents when I'm sleep deprived and driving on long trips by myself. This one was just crazy/cool enough I had to write down something about it

I have a question though, one my physc/neuro major friends is  always talking about how there is a special respector in the brain that lsd binds to and nothing else, have you heard anything about that?

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