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I think my dung was too wet.
    #930702 - 10/04/02 03:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

My dung didn't dry out as much as I thought it would over night, so it was too wet, I squished as much moisture out of it as I could, But I am not hopeful... only time will tell.

However, not all my eggs are in one basket, so it wouldn't sux to much if this one fails.



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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #930720 - 10/04/02 03:18 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Getting the moisture right in dung is tricky. I have problems with it as well.

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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Joshua]
    #930790 - 10/04/02 03:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

How so Josh?
I let it dry outside, pastuerise and hand sweeuze it so that just a few drops come out.
That`s it.
I`ve had success with every attempt at bulk substrates.


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #930796 - 10/04/02 03:43 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

well then maybe it will be ok...


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Joshua]
    #930807 - 10/04/02 03:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

One of the ways the raccoon found to get "dung right", is ~~ if you can find dry ~~ aged dung?

If so? Then, bake it DRY in a pot at about 170 for however long you think is right -- in order to dry pasturize it.

Then, drop enough of it into a 5 gallon plastic bucket (as in washed with anti bacterial soap & spayed with lysol CLEAN bucket), to fill it about 3/4 full.

Also, set a little dry dung aside in a clean plastic bag -- (you will see WHY - later).

Then, pour in about a gallon of water you have boiled - in the bucket. Snap on the lid & let it set for a few hours -- or overnight. Then later, stir & check the consistancy of it.

If it is still to dry? Add a little more water that has been boiled. Then, let it absorb. Then, check it again -- after it is cool.

When you get it to the stage you think it is about right. Take some out and squeeze it as hard as you can. If you can squeeze out drops of water it is TO WET.

Adjust it by adding some of the dry dung -- you saved out. The dry dung you add, will absorb some of the moisture out of the WET dung.

When you decide it is about right. It is better to ERROR -- on the DRY side.

You can still adjust it -- with a spray bottle (distilled water), when you place it in the tub -- or container you going to SPAWN it in.

The raccoons first few attempts at bulk dung were "shitty". The dung was to WET & simply colonized a little, then the rest -- began to ROT.

The method outlined above is how the raccoon resolved the WET DUNG problem.

Some of your individual results may DIFFER. But, this is how the raccoon began to get it right. A little trial & error & now he has a system developed. But, each batch is as differant as night & day. So, just test, tinker & pretty soon -- you will have it DOWN. :grin:

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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #930880 - 10/04/02 04:22 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You are a lucky man...or I am unlucky.

I have had more dung runs go bad than I have had success' with.

My place is just downright dirty. I need to have my carpets professionaly cleaned. I'm not a slob, I used to have children living here who trashed my carpet. I think if you were able to see the life in my carpet...you might liken it to the diversity found in a rainforest.

I have had problems with bacteria when pastuerising. I probably push the envelope for spawn to substrate ratio. Now I have been having the same mold pop into my dung a few times. I will not give up though. I am taking steps to solve my problem.

I just convinced myself to shell out the dough for a deep drycleaning of my carpet....ahhh I feel better now.

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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: SixTango]
    #930898 - 10/04/02 04:28 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I received the filter material today..Thank You!

Your method sounds like a good one. I agree with you strongly, it is better to err on the side of dry. A spray bottle of distilled water is a nice way to add additional moisture to a dry batch. Removing water is hard to do, your idea for fixing that problem is a great one. That is no suprise though coming from you.

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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: SixTango]
    #930919 - 10/04/02 04:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I used to sqeeze out the water manually, its really not hard at all. Up untill the last, I had been laying it in the sink for a few hours and it was to my likeing.

Carefull wet dung and especially overly wet substrate = Bacteria MUAHAHAHAHA


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Joshua]
    #931230 - 10/04/02 06:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Joshua,

Glad you got it & your welcome. I hope it helps. The gray stuff is some of that polyfiber landscape material the raccoon did the bottom watering thing with. I thought I would include it, in case you wanted to give it a shot. It also make fair air prefilter material.

Sounds like you need to just find a room (far away from your domicile, duhhhhhh) and plastic wrap the SOB inside, ceiling, floor & walls. That really creates a hell of a contam barrier. Then, run a a hepa in it, on a timer. That pretty much catchs whatever comes in when you enter & exit.

It's not fool proof. F*cking gnats  :frown: made it into the raccoons den. He had to throw out all his little casings going on, bug bomb the sucker & start over.  He tinkered & made the thing a positive pressure chamber. So, he could filter incoming air.

After that, he had a few shrews & mice manage to gnaw their way in the old wood building. But, some aluminum siding put a stop to that  :grin:.

6T  :tongue: 


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Joshua]
    #931246 - 10/04/02 07:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I forgot to add. Since the powers that be -- state 10% spawn ratio is about right. The raccoon tries to double that. Figuring on faster colonization.

He also saves a bit of spawn to add to the very top. Figuring with that extra bit on top. The top will colonize quicker & help seal out any airborne contams.

To much on top can create a problem, though. With the first few casings. The raccoon really layed it on the top like thick frosting. So thick, the top fruited before the whole substrate was fully colonized. Resulting in a forest of pins & tiny fruit.

The raccoon thought WTF is this? Dwarf shrooms, LOL. The second flush grew out to be big, thick, tall & happy, like they were supposed to be.

6T  :tongue: 


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: SixTango]
    #931261 - 10/04/02 07:25 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yep sixtango that can be quite a problem.
I basically used enough spawn to make the spawn ratio the same throghout the substrate.
But as you say a top layer deffinatelly makes a perfect contamination layer.
I was using a top manure layer as well but lately I`m moving away from a secondary layer.
Instead just one substrate layer and a casing layer.


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #931723 - 10/04/02 01:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If dung is too wet, eat less fiber


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #931754 - 10/04/02 01:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I had just run into my first dung contamination the other week, after doing at least 10 or so grows with it before.

It was too wet, caused some contamination...I was pretty bummed.

As Joshua said, its very tricky to get the right moisture level. Its true that you dont want the dung to be sitting too long draining. Its best to squeeze out the majority by hand after you take it out of pasturization,(putting your weight over the pillow-case) and letting it hang in the air drying/dripping for about a day and a half, and then squeeze out as much as possible again. I think drying is directly related to the ambient humidity in your area as well. We had a Santa-Ana not to long ago and the stuff got dry in less than a day. Humidity was about 33%.

Ive noticed with dung that is more moist, your fruits in turn are much larger, and have more flushes, but that is always introduces a greater threat to contamination.


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #932053 - 10/04/02 03:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah you don't want your dung too wet.

You should only have a few drops of juice when you squeeze it.

I'm thinking of making up a home made press for my dung.
I'd take a large bore motorcycle head and mounting it to a metal base.
Then bolting the piston to a handle.
Then welding the handle mechanism to the metal base.
Then put the poo in the head.....pull the handle down and draw out the poo juice!
I'd call it the Roadkill poo press.....lolzz
I broke my left hand years ago and its hard for me to squeeze with that hand.
I hate squeezing poo....yet I love using it!

Easier way.
I think searching 2nd hand stores you might find an old apple press cheap.
I'll get back to you all after I find one and try it out.

SixTango always gets me thinking like he does.......the guy is always thinking up some killer ideas. ^5 bro.



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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Roadkill]
    #932076 - 10/04/02 03:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Good idea ..  How about this one:

Use a Can Crusher ..  One that has a big handle on it.  when you crush it, have like a crate/screen or somthing like that so all the poo water drains out..  ((hell, even put a gallon jug under it to collect it))..        Anyhow, Squeezing the shit out of the Poo gets tiring and old, but still WELL worth it.  :cool:

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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Roadkill]
    #932118 - 10/04/02 04:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

A cider or grape press works great. If you can find one - cheap.

If you shop around thrift stores? You can sometimes find a small hand press, that is actualy used for things like making mashed potato's. They are like a garlic press, only much large & sometimes big enough to hold about 1 pint at a time.

If you ever run across one of those OLD TIME  metal hand crank style meat grinders -- with the thick metal attatchment screens for like grinding out sausage.?

They also work GREAT & are heavy duty -- like a tank :laugh: :laugh:. If you have a place to bolt one down, stick the sausage screen in, top load wet dung & crank. The auger forces it into the tiny holes on the screen. The compression from doing that forces out moisture.

Warning. It can get a little messy. So throw down something to catch the drain fluid.

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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: Roadkill]
    #932142 - 10/04/02 04:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Poor mans method ........... use 5 gal buckets with holes drilled in bottom , take stepping stones from garden and press down on material in bucket . Need to remake buckets every so often but hell cheap ! :cool: 


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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: SixTango]
    #932170 - 10/04/02 04:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)


  > Warning. It can get a little messy.

Hahaha.. I Soooo wish I had a pic. of a guy with poo water all over his face to show the "Worst Case Scenerio"..  :laugh:

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Re: I think my dung was too wet. [Re: SixTango]
    #932399 - 10/04/02 05:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Why not use a hydrolic or manual herb press to press the poo?  These presses are ment to press liquid out during herb extraction, and would be perfect for what you are talking about.  They can generaly be purchased for under $100.00 and work like a charm! :grin:


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