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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: phi1618]
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phi1618 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
tell mugabe we said hi would you


democrats shot down every bill meant to get the problem under
control, it's easy to blame the guy in the whitehouse but the
fact of the matter, bush couldnt veto the bill if it never
made it to his desk... isnt obama a democrat senator, one of
the same that's voted against the bills that would have
prevented this?


Bullshit - risking a ban, you're purely ignorant of the underlying causes of the crisis, and refuse to study.



when was the issue first brought to light? that's right, 1998
prior to the passage of Graham Leach Bliley, it was again
brought up in 2001.. I'm well aware of what's been going on
because instead of being like the rest, I liquidated and took
advantage of the slump in property prices

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I've tried repeatedly to point you, and others, to the real information on this subject that could not only give you a clearer view of how the world works


really, were all these views written by the same economists that didnt see it coming?



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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
I say we blame Obama.


its not either of thse guys fault. this shit lies since the carter era. you need to do your research bigtime. blaming someone isn't solving anything. we need to fix the problems. and id say the bush admin skyrocketed this shit into hyperspeed. you gonna blame someone blame bush and cheney and the gop brass.

all the guys in high level positions now were responsible for the s and p bullshit crash we had years ago. now these guys are running our country.
watch "truth and lies of 911 by mike ruppert" x cia.

the truth doesn't lie in dem nor republican. these guys wear the same pants. your blinded by poltics. its circular arguments that get us no where. you want to know the real truth, dig for it. and avoid our propaganda news. watch alternative news. canadian free press is one. all kinds of shit. hell even bloomberg.com has better news than our dulled out cnn, fox news, and msnbc. they are lying to us. wakeup and open your eyes.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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mushroomhunter10 said:
It's both sides.
95% are corrupted.


FUCKIN EXACTLY!

100% CORRECT.


To Mods: that being said i didn't try to spam this forum nor run up my post count bc i don't care about that crap. i found good articles and tried to post them. didn't read the rules as i usually post in photo gallery. thats my fault, ill make sure i put some input next time mods. sorry. wasn't intentional. i just find it strange that this post didn't get closed like the other 5 when i didn't put any commentary into this thread either. i know for next time. any way we can open those other threads so i can post something in them?

a few thing causing this problem

we borrowed money to consume

we are in a bubble economy that bursted.

thus our government is trying to reinflate it. but it will eventually pop. and pop much worse after all these bailouts and money we keep giving out. upward of the trillions already these last few months. if they keep spending, they keep digging a deeper hole.

eased up lending standards passed by the carter administration. and there are tons of more reasons but these were a few.

we are facing hyperinflation once china and the rest of the world don't want to lend to us anymore. when they have no faith in the usd which is happening right now, they will start buying back things from us with us dollars. thus hyperinflation.

bad times are ahead.

example

wbs went up to 10 bucks from 7 bucks a month ago for a 25lb bag.

foil was 3.50 for 200sf. in a months time it doubled to almost 7.50$. im scard to see what it is now. last i saw close to 8 where i am.  that right there is an indication of inflation. they say that gas prices influence food prices. well, the gas just went down to half it was a few months ago. and i have not seen any food prices drop. they increased. so please tell me the government is telling me the truth. i think not.


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Edited by eatyualive (11/17/08 11:14 AM)

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
tell mugabe we said hi would you


democrats shot down every bill meant to get the problem under
control, it's easy to blame the guy in the whitehouse but the
fact of the matter, bush couldnt veto the bill if it never
made it to his desk... isnt obama a democrat senator, one of
the same that's voted against the bills that would have
prevented this?


honestly, i think it lies much deeper than the last administration. we are looking at 40 years of politics that caused this mess.

all these guys pockets are lined by the same people. with this corruption, you can't get an honest politician that could actually get elected. they are so concerned with reelection and the short term that they don't care about policies for the future. all they care about is re election. politics are there to keep everyone divided. why do you think there is no progress?


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: eatyualive]
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Right.:thumbup: The problem lies in the political culture itself. This means both sides (all sides) being for the most part corrupt or fear driven. And behind this disfunction is the disfunction of the average citizen who gives it power.

For this reason there is no hope of change anytime in the future IMO. It's fucking human nature.

Not a popular POV in this forum I'm guessing.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Float]
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Float writes:

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The Republicans ran the US for 8 years, I think that has more to do with it than anything.


You slept through the whole 2006 mid-term elections, I see. You also never noticed the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leaders each have a "D" next to their name.




Phred


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: eatyualive]
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eatyualive said:
zouden said:
I say we blame Obama.


its not either of thse guys fault.


I was joking... :tongue:


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zouden]
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My 2cents:

Shit happens! Its happened before and it'll happen again.

Aren't our stock markets still UP compared to 15 years ago anyways?

We aren't the only ones in a recession! Japan is too!

eatyualive said:
wbs went up to 10 bucks from 7 bucks a month ago for a 25lb bag.



I've also noticed that! The barley I use as spawn went from $0.89 a pound to $1.19 a pound in Sept. Now its $1.39 a pound.

Edited by BlimeyGrimey (11/17/08 02:46 PM)

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
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>We aren't the only ones in a recession! Japan is too!

Which is what's so troubling.

On a related note, our government here in Aus just announced they'll be giving money to local councils on the proviso they spend it as soon as possible - a miniature "new deal". We'll see how it goes.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Float writes:

Quote:
The Republicans ran the US for 8 years, I think that has more to do with it than anything.


You slept through the whole 2006 mid-term elections, I see. You also never noticed the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leaders each have a "D" next to their name.




Phred


Does it really matter if Bush can veto anything as long enough Republicans don't vote in favor of a Democratic bill? So technically Democrats haven't been in control of shit...


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: eatyualive]
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eatyualive said:
we are looking at 40 years of politics that caused this mess.



I can take you back to 1910 where the problems began, I'm sure
others may be able to take you back even further


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I say we blame the Egyptians. If they hadn't invented money we wouldn't be in this mess!


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: downforpot]
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Please list for us the vetoes passed by Bush. George W Bush passed BY FAR the least number of vetoes of any president in the last seventy years or so. By like an order of magnitude or something, it's so ridiculous.

The reality is that the Dems have been in control of the nation's purse strings for the last two years. Bush doesn't decide what money gets spent, Congress does. Look it up if you don't believe me. I swear I'm not making this up - that's how the Constitution has set up the various branches of government, honest injun.




Phred


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Please list for us the vetoes passed by Bush. George W Bush passed BY FAR the least number of vetoes of any president in the last seventy years or so. By like an order of magnitude or something, it's so ridiculous.


So then you would agree that Bush is very much part of the problem as he has overseen the largest expansion of government since LBJ and has done precious little to stop it.  Bush went along with the 'loyal opposition' and they went along with him in all his big government, Unitary Executive power grabs.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Trepiodos]
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So then you would agree that Bush is very much part of the problem as he has overseen the largest expansion of government since LBJ and has done precious little to stop it.


As I have stated in this forum on numerous occasions, Bush not only discovered the veto pen far too late, he himself actively pushed for the largest single new entitlement in recent times - the prescription medicine giveaway for seniors. It is true that most of the really huge increases were passed by veto-proof margins (three cheers for bipartisan legislation, right?) but certainly not all of them were.




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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Please list for us the vetoes passed by Bush. George W Bush passed BY FAR the least number of vetoes of any president in the last seventy years or so. By like an order of magnitude or something, it's so ridiculous.


Interesting, I just looked it up and you're right, he only signed 12 vetoes, compared to (say) Clinton's 37. But 11 of those 12 vetoes were in the last 2 years. Apart from the Stem Cell funding bill, which he (tragically) vetoed, he didn't veto anything produced by the Republican-controlled senate. So much for checks and balances - the GOP had the house, senate, presidency and the supreme court.

Now the shoe's on the other foot, as they say...


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
eatyualive said:
zouden said:
I say we blame Obama.


its not either of thse guys fault.


I was joking... :tongue:


i know man i wasn't trying to jump down your throat. just saying that its many peoples faults know what i mean. im not sure about the bills name that was passed i can look it up. but carter passed something that eased up lending standards for lower income families that is the root cause of our problems today. although the crap loans have something to do with it as well. so its not something that any 1 president could have done anything about. and in actuality, bush actually warned all the big lenders a few years ago about their problems. but no one listened.

sorry to sound hostile. i just type real fast man.

Prisoner#1 said:
eatyualive said:
we are looking at 40 years of politics that caused this mess.



I can take you back to 1910 where the problems began, I'm sure
others may be able to take you back even further


im sure your right. i just know carter passed the eased lending standards. ive read through tons of the info. just don't have the direct info at hand. but could look it up. thanks for clearing that up.


zouden said:
>We aren't the only ones in a recession! Japan is too!

Which is what's so troubling.

On a related note, our government here in Aus just announced they'll be giving money to local councils on the proviso they spend it as soon as possible - a miniature "new deal". We'll see how it goes.


yes, and icelands economy collapsed. i read an article talking about how all the imports and shipments that came in couldn't even be bought bc the banks didn't have enough capital to convert the iceland money to foreign currency so many of imports couldn't be bought. and they were saying how its a modern country and everything was normal, then all of the sudden. the entire economy just tanked. quite amazing to say the least.

good discussion on this thread. thanks guys!

also to add to your comment. this is interesting. when local governments can't take in enough tax base due to foreclosures and such. local government shut down. massachussettes, california, atlanta, philidelphia and another city are asking for bailouts just to pay local governments. this is really bad news.

what happens next?

local police force are reduced, utilities, local governments... bad news...

this is a real serious issue i find it more serious than the bailout of crappy auto makers that don't make fuel efficient cars.

now in the great depression unemployment was what like 35%. correct me if im wrong. but, if our governments are already showing these signs now, the news of 70k people being laid off every few days does nothing to make anything look positive for the future.

i have read a few books talking of economic collapse comparing average number of baby boomers to a healthy consumer economy. and have also read things such that the gdp of our nation is so fluffed that its not a real indicator of a healthy economy. being unbiased i am not sure where i stand on that issue but i do feel that something crazy is happening. not the end of the world, the end of the world as we know it. we need to go back to the basics imho.


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Edited by eatyualive (11/18/08 07:57 AM)

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
Apart from the Stem Cell funding bill, which he (tragically) vetoed


government shouldnt be paying for research, if people want the
research they can donate, if people oppose it they dont have to donate


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Prisoner#1]
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But the government already pays for research, and most research is government funded. You should either cut off all funding (your position) or fund everything (within reason; my position). But that's not what happened here. The decision to cut off stem cell research funding was not made on economic grounds. It was made on religious grounds. That's what's so heinous about it.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zouden]
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regardless of the grounds, kill the research grants from government, that's my position


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