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Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss
    #1844827 - 08/24/03 03:50 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/opinio...08/23/ixop.html

Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 23/08/2003)


'The US and British armies have entered the gates of hell," thundered George Galloway last month. "Soon it will be 100 degrees at midnight in Baghdad, but there will be no respite from the need for full body armour."

As usual, George was a little off. The gates of hell are on the p?riph?rique and it's 100 degrees at midnight in the pissoir on the Metro. To date, two US soldiers are believed to have succumbed to the heat in Iraq, whereas over 10,000 people have succumbed to it in France.

That would make George's brutal Iraqi summer about one five-thousandth as lethal as the brutal Gallic summer, which has killed more people than the brutal Afghan winter (now 23 months behind schedule), the brutal Iraqi summer and the searing heat of the Guantanamo torture camps combined and multiplied by a thousand.

Certainly, Iraq has its problems. Jacques Chirac, en vacances just up the road from me in North Hatley, Quebec, took time out of his three-week holiday to issue a statement on events in Baghdad, where 20 people died on Tuesday. But he didn't bother to interrupt his vacation to issue a statement on events in France, where so many people have died, the funeral homes are standing room only and they're having to store bodies in the freezers at the fruit and veg markets.

Now that his old pal and nuclear client has been removed from power, M Chirac is utterly irrelevant to the future of Iraq. But surely France still falls within his jurisdiction, doesn't it?

And where are the Red Cross and Oxfam and Human Rights Watch and all the other noisy humanitarians? If 10,000 Iraqis had died of dysentery on George W Bush's watch, you'd never hear the end of it. A few weeks back, with three fatal cases of cholera, the Humanitarian Lobby was already shrieking that we stood on the edge of a humanitarian catastrophe.

France isn't on the edge, it's in the abyss. When I motored round Iraq a couple of months ago, the hospital wards were well below capacity. Yet in France the entire health system ? or that percentage of it not spending August at the beach ? is stretched beyond its limits (35 hours a week, 44 weeks a year). Why aren't M?decins Sans Fronti?res demanding to be allowed in to take over?

There's an old, cynical formula for the weight accorded different disasters on American TV news. It runs something like: one dead American = 10 dead Israelis = 100 dead Russians = 1,000 dead Bangladeshis. But 10,000 French can die, and even the French don't seem to care ? or not too much, and not with any great urgency.

Bernard Mazeyrie, managing director of France's largest undertakers, told the New York Times that several of the bereaved were in no hurry to bury their aged loved ones: "Some, he said, informed of the death of relatives, postponed funerals, not to interrupt the August 15 holiday weekend, and left the bodies in the refrigerated hall." Au bord de la mer? Ou au bord de ma m?re? Hmm. Tough call.

I don't know what M Chirac heard in the d?panneurs and resto-bars of Quebec this week, but what I heard south of the border was complete amazement at how a nominally First World country could be so insouciant about an entirely avoidable Third World death toll. President Bush and the entire Washington press corps are spending a month in heat equal to the brutal Parisian summer, and he's playing golf in it all day while they stand around watching; in Phoenix tomorrow and Monday, it will be an unremarkable 105. This isn't about the weather.

In Paris this spring, a government official explained to me how Europeans had created a more civilised society than America - socialised healthcare, shorter work weeks, more holidays. We've just seen where that leads: gran'ma turned away from the hospital to die in an airless apartment because junior's sur la plage. M Chirac's somewhat tetchy suggestion that his people should rethink their attitude to the elderly was well taken. But Big Government inevitably diminishes its citizens' capacity to take responsibility, to the point where even your dead mum is just one more inconvenience the state should do something about.

Meanwhile, Maggie Pernot wrote the other day to chide me for my continued defence of the Rumsfeld Death Camps at Guantanamo. The prisoners, she complains, are "kept in tiny, chainlink outdoor cages where they were likely to be rained upon". In fact, they have sloping roofs and cool concrete floors, perfect for the climate. If they had solid walls rather than airy wire mesh, they'd be Parisian sweatboxes and everyone would be dead. By contrast, if those thousands of French pensioners had been captured by the Marines and detained by Rummy in Cuba, they'd be alive today.

Mme Pernot writes from St Julien, France. That's right: she's surrounded by an actual humanitarian scandal on all sides but she'd rather obsess about an entirely fictional one. Heat getting to you, Madame? Or just the unusual odour from the flat next door?


France: Up to 10,000 dead in heat wave

How the hell do 10,000 people die from 100 degree heat?


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: wingnutx]
    #1844917 - 08/24/03 05:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Does this moron even realise the people who died in France were elderly rather than soldiers in peak physical condition?

If 10,000 Iraqis had died of dysentery on George W Bush's watch you'd never hear the end of it

Strange idea. Most americans don't even have a clue that the sanctions were responsible for the slaughter of well over 750,000 Iraqi children under 5. Yet this Bushmuncher believes the media would bother to report a few thousand more.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Xlea321]
    #1844956 - 08/24/03 07:03 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
Does this moron even realise the people who died in France were elderly rather than soldiers in peak physical condition?




Naw, he's just french-bashing.  :smile:

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but what I heard south of the border was complete amazement at how a nominally First World country could be so insouciant about an entirely avoidable Third World death toll.




I love how they say this is 'entirely avoidable'.  It was all old people dying in their apartments, people in bad physical condition.  Most places aren't air conditioned in those regions, because it just doesn't get hot enough to need it. 

Even in NYC, a place which has experience with old-folk-killin' heat waves and lots of AC, old people still kick off every8 time the temp gets over 95 or so.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: wingnutx]
    #1845007 - 08/24/03 08:35 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sad story, but a good point.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Sev]
    #1845136 - 08/24/03 12:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Even in NYC, a place which has experience with old-folk-killin' heat waves and lots of AC, old people still kick off every8 time the temp gets over 95 or so.





Same here. During a really hot summer, say 115 or over, we lose up to 5 of them.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1845145 - 08/24/03 12:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sad story, but a good point.

What "point" are you referring to?


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Xlea321]
    #1845160 - 08/24/03 12:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

That the French are assholes.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1845264 - 08/24/03 01:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

So what's got you so down on "the french" luv?


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Xlea321]
    #1845303 - 08/24/03 01:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I've always found them to be arrogant pricks.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Xlea321]
    #1845460 - 08/24/03 03:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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- 08/24/03 05:55 AM the slaughter of well over 750,000 Iraqi children under 5.

- 08/15/03 03:26 PM sanctions policy that left 750,000 iraqi children under 5 dead?

- 02/26/03 08:44 PM genocidal sanctions that have killed well over 500,000 children under 5.

- 02/24/03 08:59 PM responsible for the deaths of those 500,000 children under five?





So in 6 months your toll of iraqi kid's deaths due to US sanctions increased 50%? Or does 750,000 just sound better than 500,000


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: d33p]
    #1845468 - 08/24/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

id sure love to see some documentation of that 500k+ deaths shit.

anyone got any?


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: ]
    #1845584 - 08/24/03 04:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have read reports of Saddam ordering hospitals to 'save up' dead bodies to use as 'proof' of the sanctions effects.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Xlea321]
    #1845738 - 08/24/03 05:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"Strange idea. Most americans don't even have a clue that the sanctions were responsible for the slaughter of well over 750,000 Iraqi children under 5. Yet this Bushmuncher believes the media would bother to report a few thousand more. "

That is complete bullshit. How were sactions responsible for the slaguter of 750,000 children?


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: FileSoup]
    #1845853 - 08/24/03 06:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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That is complete bullshit. How were sactions responsible for the slaguter of 750,000 children?


PLENTY of evidence (here's one article). Even the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF) reported over 500,000 Iraqi children dead as a result of the sanctions. Do a Google search, and you'll find plenty of evidence about the genocide caused by the sanctions.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Cornholio]
    #1845855 - 08/24/03 06:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The argument really is who is to blame for the deaths? Saddam or the US. Libbies like to blame the US, even though Saddam caused the sanctions, and did everything he could have to keep them from being lifted.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: ]
    #1845921 - 08/24/03 06:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

id sure love to see some documentation of that 500k+ deaths shit.
anyone got any?


No one does, because it is an imaginary number.

I have posted in this forum six or seven times now links to a question and answer page regarding the only actual statistical studies done on the change in infant mortality rate pre-sanctions and mid-sanctions. They were done by UNICEF.

The authors of the study went to great pains to warn against using their studies to arrive at a figure of deaths due to sanctions. Of course, their warnings were ignored, and various people have come up with various numbers. The more intellectually dishonest of them claim that they pulled the numbers from the UNICEF studies -- why they think people will believe this claim is beyond me since the authors of the studies gave no such numbers and categorically stated that no such numbers can be derived from their work, but hey... whaddya gonna do?

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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: shakta]
    #1845922 - 08/24/03 06:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Using 100,000 to make a golden shitter doesn't help out starving kids either. But even tho saddam did nothing to protect against the deaths of his people im sure its still the us's fault.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Cornholio]
    #1845928 - 08/24/03 06:43 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Cornholio writes:

Even the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF) reported over 500,000 Iraqi children dead as a result of the sanctions.

Incorrect. "UNICEF" stated no such thing.

This is what happens when you accept other people's versions of what people say rather than reading what was actually said. See my above post.

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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: d33p]
    #1845931 - 08/24/03 06:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Of course it is. We get credited with every bad thing that happens in the world, and never get credited for the good things we have done.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Phred]
    #1846208 - 08/24/03 08:36 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Even the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF) reported over 500,000 Iraqi children dead as a result of the sanctions.




It would be nearly impossible to compile accurate statistics on the matter. It's kind of like when NIDA reports the amount of money lost from employee drug abuse. How the hell do they even begin to go about doing this? It's reductionism to absurdity.

That's kind of why I think its annoying when every other post,people ask for a source on an informal message board. Hard statistics by themselves prove nothing.Statistics backed by logical thinking go a lot further.And just because a source is "official" doesn't mean you should automatically assume it's correct.Do you look at the source's source and further down the line?

It doesn't matter anyway.It's not very hard to see that because of our sanctions policy,the Iraqi people suffered,while it did very little to Sadam's regime.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1846282 - 08/24/03 08:59 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
I've always found them to be arrogant pricks.




wow, I know that the cultural insecurity is justified and all, but really, you shouldn't wear it on your sleeve.



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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Phred]
    #1846313 - 08/24/03 09:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Any study of this type is going to use statistical s, based on a concrete set of data, to extrapolate maximum and minimum numbers for the entire region of Iraq. In that sense the numbers can be seen as imaginary, as the used can change those maximum and minumum values. I have posted below a study done by Richard Garfield of the University of Columbia, who has done extensive field work in Iraq. Why his extrapolations may not be quite so high, there is still sufficient evidence that sactions have greatly increased the infant mortality rate there.

Garfield's study


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Malachi]
    #1846433 - 08/24/03 09:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

Lamer by the day.

I have no insecurity, cultural or otherwise, but if it makes you feel all warm and tingly inside to think so, feel free.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1846439 - 08/24/03 09:43 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

yeah right, you just have an unreasonable hatred of french people because you're so much more cultured than they are. all of them. of course....

lamer.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Phred]
    #1846441 - 08/24/03 09:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
Incorrect. "UNICEF" stated no such thing.

This is what happens when you accept other people's versions of what people say rather than reading what was actually said. See my above post.

pinksharkmark's "above post" said:
The authors of the study went to great pains to warn against using their studies to arrive at a figure of deaths due to sanctions.

pinksharkmark's previous post on this subject said:
As UNICEF itself is scrupulously careful to point out in UNICEF: Questions and Answers for the Iraq child mortality surveys - BAGHDAD, 16 August 1999 (UNICEF) Survey Methodology/credibility --

"These surveys were never intended to provide an absolute figure of how many children have died in Iraq as a result of sanctions. Given the difficulty of accurately and specifically attributing the cause of death of a child to sanctions, any such figure that may be derived would certainly be questionable."




Ok, so UNICEF said their numbers do not provide an "absolute figure of how many children have died in Iraq as a result of sanctions". So let's all agree 500,000 is not "absolute".

But if you look at their report (in pdf format), you'll see the following chart:



Now, since UNICEF said this chart can't be used to determine an "absolute figure" for deaths resulting from sanctions, what's your explanation for the huge increase in deaths that occured after sanctions were imposed???




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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Malachi]
    #1846478 - 08/24/03 09:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah right, you just have an unreasonable hatred of french people because you're so much more cultured than they are.  all of them.  of course....

lamer. 



Perhaps you can show me where I said I hate the French. I said they are assholes and arrogant pricks.

Just because you are full of hate doesn't mean everyone else is.

You must really despise that white blood pumping through you. I find that funny.

I hope you never need surgery, you may get some more of that blood.

Kill whitey!  :lol:


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1846810 - 08/24/03 11:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

ok, you've recycled that shit ^^ over and over in different threads.  yes, I'm of mixed race and I hold one culture of my origin in contempt.  you understand correctly.  there are in fact many full blooded white people who share my views, in fact you'd have a much harder time finding minorities that share yours.  perhaps that's because of your fondness for racial insults?  you and shatka

"The crack dealers and murderers are on the ones filling up the prisons. They are mostly black. :smile:"

are of the trash shade of white, it seems. thanks for proving that you are, indeed, a bigot.  since I refrain from making blanket statements about whole races of peoples, I manage to get along fine with my white side: cause my white side is definitely not part of your hillybilly white america trash.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Cornholio]
    #1846818 - 08/24/03 11:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)


nice :smile:  it's all about taking the time to prove your point.  quite admirable.
 


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: d33p]
    #1847275 - 08/25/03 03:10 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Alex123 said:
- 08/24/03 05:55 AM the slaughter of well over 750,000 Iraqi children under 5.

- 08/15/03 03:26 PM sanctions policy that left 750,000 iraqi children under 5 dead?

- 02/26/03 08:44 PM genocidal sanctions that have killed well over 500,000 children under 5.

- 02/24/03 08:59 PM responsible for the deaths of those 500,000 children under five?





So in 6 months your toll of iraqi kid's deaths due to US sanctions increased 50%? Or does 750,000 just sound better than 500,000


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom a [Re: Cornholio]
    #1847360 - 08/25/03 03:51 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting info Cornholio. Here's some more:

The monthly food rations the Iraqis are dependent on from the UN last only two to three weeks and do not contain any protein, according to Ms Quinn. A UNICEF report which came out last August showed that 25 per cent of children under five years in Iraq are malnourished and over 4,500 die every month as a result. Ms Quinn says she expects this year's UNICEF report to show an even higher rate of death among children.

http://www.ngwrc.org/news/content/FriFeb250918022000.asp


The death-toll caused by deliberate strangulation of economic life cannot yet be estimated with full accuracy?that will be a task for historians. According to the most careful authority, Richard Garfield, ?a conservative estimate of ?excess deaths? among under five-year-olds since 1991 would be 300,000?, [?The Public Health Impact of Sanctions?, Middle East Report, no. 215, Summer 2000, p. 17. Garfield is Professor of Clinical International Nursing at Columbia.
] while UNICEF?reporting in 1997 that ?4,500 children under the age of five are dying each month from hunger and disease??reckons the number of small children killed by the blockade at 500,000. [UNICEF, ?Iraq Survey Shows ?Humanitarian Emergency??, 12 August 1999] Other deaths are more difficult to quantify but, as Garfield points out, ?UNICEF?s mortality rates represent only the tip of the iceberg as to the enormous damage done to the four out of five Iraqis who do survive beyond their fifth birthday?. [7] In late 1998 the UN Humanitarian Coordinator for Iraq, former Assistant Secretary General Dennis Halliday, an Irishman, resigned from his post in protest against the blockade, declaring that the total deaths it had caused could be upwards of a million. [See Siege of Iraq, pp. 45, 67] When his successor Hans von Sponeck had the temerity to include civilian casualties from Anglo-American bombing raids in his brief, the Clinton and Blair regimes demanded his dismissal. In late 1999 he too resigned, explaining that his duty had been to the people of Iraq, and that ?every month Iraq?s social fabric shows bigger holes?. The so-called Oil-For-Food sanctions, in place since 1996, allow Iraq only $4 billion of petroleum exports a year, when a minimum of $7 billion is needed even for greatly reduced national provision. [9] In a decade, the US and UK have achieved a result without parallel in modern history. Iraq is now, Garfield reports, the only instance in the last two hundred years of a sustained, large-scale increase in mortality in a country with a stable population of over two million. [10]

http://home.iprimus.com.au/boab3/aliiraq.htm

The Humanitarian Report to the UN Security Council of March 30, 1999, notes that Iraq "has experienced a shift from relative affluence to massive poverty" and that "infant mortality rates in Iraq today are among the highest in the world." UN report after UN report has emphasized the damages of the sanctions, with UNICEF reporting in 1997 that 32% of children under age 5--some 960,000 children--are chronically malnourished, a rise of 72% since 1991. Current UNICEF reports estimate that 6,000 to 7,000 Iraqi children under 5 die every month. The World Health Organization has reported that Iraq?s health care system has been completely devastated as a direct result of the sanctions.

I was among many United Nations employees who could not last a full year in Iraq, my dream turned to nightmare. For those inside, it became painfully clear that the United Nations had not only failed to alleviate the pain and suffering of the Iraqi people, but, through the sanctions, were in fact the cause of much of the suffering. Among the high-profile UN officials who resigned in protest of the sanctions was Dennis Halliday, former UN Assistant Secretary-General and Chief UN Relief Coordinator for Iraq. In a speech to Harvard students, Halliday explained that ?sanctions continue to kill children and sustain high levels of malnutrition. Sanctions are undermining cultural and educational recovery. Sanctions will not change governance to democracy. Sanctions are counterproductive and have no positive impact on the leadership, and sanctions lead to unacceptable human suffering, often the young and the innocent.? Halliday?s predecessor, UN Humanitarian Coordinator Hans Von Sponeck, had also resigned after less than a year in Baghdad.

Dennis Halliday, the former UN Secretary General and Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq says, "We, (the US), are in the process of destroying an entire society. It is as simple and terrifying as that. It is illegal and immoral." Halliday made this statement in 1998 in an interview with the Independent. Halliday was so distraught with the absurdity of sanctions and their justification, along with their consequences and apparent perpetuity, that he made this statement, "Sanctions are starving to death 6,000 Iraqi infants each month... I no longer want to be a part of that." Based on these facts and feelings Halliday stepped down as Assistant Secretary General and joined the effort to lift sanctions.

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    #1847376 - 08/25/03 03:58 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps you can show me where I said I hate the French. I said they are assholes and arrogant pricks.

How many french people have you actually met?

Just because you are full of hate doesn't mean everyone else is.

What other explanation can you have for calling 61 million people "arrogant pricks" simply because they are french? You arn't exactly basing this judgement on reason are you.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: Malachi]
    #1847500 - 08/25/03 05:25 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Laughing at you for hating 1/2 of your genetic makeup is no insult. I think it explains much actually.

The only blanket statement I've made about race is that anyone can make something of him or herself if they only chose to.

You on the other hand.... well we all have seen your opinion and most seem to have dismissed it.

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    #1847506 - 08/25/03 05:28 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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How many french people have you actually met?



Quite a few.


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What other explanation can you have for calling 61 million people "arrogant pricks" simply because they are french? You arn't exactly basing this judgement on reason are you.



Yes actually I am. The majority of those I've met have been arrogant assholes who have a superiority complex.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1847538 - 08/25/03 06:03 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"I said.....assholes and arrogant pricks" --that doesn't qualify as a blanket statement? read, old man, read. then think. then read again.

".....arrogant assholes who have a superiority complex."

it couldn't be that you just where the butt of their jokes? it's not a complex, it just that in general, frech people are more refined, more interesting, and more intelligent than you are.

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    #1847559 - 08/25/03 06:16 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

It's you who needs to think....
you said blanket statement about RACE.... I made no blanket statement about any race.

As a matter of fact, since you don't seem able to remember what you say long enough for people to respond to it, or you are being deliberately dishonest, here is what you said....

"from making blanket statements about whole races of peoples,"

To which I responded...
"The only blanket statement I've made about race is that anyone can make something of him or herself if they only chose to."


Last I knew, being from a certain country was not the same as being a certain RACE.

Keep up lil' boy, it's not that hard if you read what was written rather than what you want to see.


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    #1847595 - 08/25/03 06:51 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I mean, think about it man... you have a ted nugent quote as your sig.

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    #1847597 - 08/25/03 06:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Last I knew, being from a certain country was not the same as being a certain RACE.

It's coming from the same ignorance isn't it tho luv. Dismissing 61 million people on the basis of the country they were born in? Come on - even you arn't that stupid.


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    #1847642 - 08/25/03 08:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ignorant? Something you excel at.

I know quite a few French. The vast majority have been arrogant little pricks. There are of course exceptions. I mean after all, the vast majority of English I've met have been decent people. You are an exception to that.

There are exceptions to everything. And I didn't "dismiss" them, merely commented on my experiences with them, plus what I've read over the years.


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    #1847663 - 08/25/03 08:38 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Very weak.


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    #1847668 - 08/25/03 08:40 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

luvdemshrooms, what a load of cods. Like anywhere there's good people and bad people. I've met some cool French people and I've met some bad ones, be it in Australia or when I was over in France and in New Caledonia.

As for this thread and the half million dead kids in Iraq from the genocidal sanctions...

Television interview,"60 Minutes", (CBS) May 12, 1996:
Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions against Iraq:

"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And -- and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think the price is worth it."

(Ps. just copy/paste Albright's quote to google and you'll get a heap of links. You'll also note Albright does not deny the figure).


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    #1847711 - 08/25/03 09:31 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Very weak.



Well we know how much I value your opinion.


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    #1847717 - 08/25/03 09:35 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

What is "cods"?

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Like anywhere there's good people and bad people.


Golly Gosh! Do you think so?

Perhaps that why I said this....
"I know quite a few French. The vast majority have been arrogant little pricks."

You do know that majority does not mean ALL?


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    #1847854 - 08/25/03 11:29 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

$pin it how you want luvdemshrooms, you've generalised with your vast majority blurb and you can clutch the straws any way you want. :smile:

The problem however, is it how demonising is done. If enough people believe, for example, that the vast majority of Americans are obsese imperialist arrogant filth, or that the vast majority of Australians are beer swilling pigs, then it makes it easier to kill them. Look at Sep 11th and look at Bali. The vast majority sweep of the brush is simply false any way you cut it and it's more the mantra of the fanatics with an agenda than the level headed.

If the French are as you claim, then why is it they have an organisation called "Doctors Without Borders"? They're in all wars and assist all sides without agenda.

I also recognise at the other end of the stick that the French have tested nuclear weapons in the South Pacific and in a terrorist attack, their scuba frogmen murdered three Green Peace people on board the Rainbow Warrior boat anchored in New Zealand by planting a bomb on the hull of the ship. Yet the French welcomed those killers home to a parade with flags flying on their Arch of Triumph. All Green Peace has ever wanted is a stop to this nuclear madness.

I find it interesting that the US cared nothing about the South Pacific nuclear test politics/problems (which only builds WOMD) and only in the lead up to an illegal war on Iraq (alledged to find WOMD which have not been found) did they moan about the French who did not back them.

The duplicity is transparent because the US too has tested in the Pacific (to build her WOMD) and used indigenous people too as their guinea pigs. Acts that are nothing less than barbaric terrorism and eco-cide. The Brits of course has Aussies to test their nukes on (Maralinga) and it is believed it took out an Aboriginal tribe to cancers.

Of course the vast majority of Australians are convict trash and the vast majority of indigenous people are just primitive scum...well are they? Now I hope you can see why and how acts of barbarity manifest when whole groups are demonised. Vast majority my arse, I judge individuals only.

"cods" btw is simply saying what you posted was bullshit. :wink:     


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    #1847883 - 08/25/03 11:47 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't you learn to read. He said "I know quite a few French. The vast majority have been arrogant little pricks." That means in his PERSONAL experience he has had with French people they have been arrogant pricks.

As far as Greenpeace goes, they are a worthless organization nowadays. They have forgottend about science, and are almost purely political now. Some of the stuff they are against actually would help the environment.


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    #1847890 - 08/25/03 11:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Ignorant? Something you excel at.

I know quite a few French. The vast majority have been arrogant little pricks. There are of course exceptions. I mean after all, the vast majority of English I've met have been decent people. You are an exception to that.

There are exceptions to everything. And I didn't "dismiss" them, merely commented on my experiences with them, plus what I've read over the years. 




Try this.

This takes a little self-control but I know you can manage it.  When Alex posts and responds to something you have said, ignore him.  I have used this technique for months now and rarely have him say anything to me.  When he does, I just ignore it.  If each one of us that Alpo likes to attack ignore him eventually he will go away.

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    #1847898 - 08/25/03 12:01 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

shakta, I have read what he has said and in summary he white washes a whole people based on the few French he has met. The spin of "I know quite a few French" is not as many as kicking about with them on mass is it? Maybe if he travelled to France he would see something different eh.

As for Green Peace, my comments were of the Rainbow Warrior bombing which was a terrorist attack. In note of that subject, Australia, New Zealand and the rest of the South Pacific have far more justified reason to scorn the French Chirac govt than the US does.

Just because the French denied the US on their "coalition of the coerced" is to me a piss poor reason to French bash...and that's clearly the agenda of the author in the copy/pasted inaugural post of this thread, along with luvdemshrooms. Don't tell me I can't read. :wink: 


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    #1847908 - 08/25/03 12:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Luvdem said..

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That the French are assholes.




No mention of majorities or personal experience.

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I thought Alex123 was British.


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    #1847973 - 08/25/03 12:36 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I don't need to spin anything. Anyone with a rudementary grasp of the English language understands the difference between vast majority and all. Except apparently you and Alpo.

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If the French are as you claim, then why is it they have an organisation called "Doctors Without Borders"?



Hello! Can you hear me now?

Perhaps because there ARE good and bad.

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Vast majority my arse, I judge individuals only



Golly, could it be I do to which is why I used the term vast majority rather than all?

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"cods" btw is simply saying what you posted was bullshit



That was my guess. I see by your post that cods is something you're all to familiar with.


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    #1847976 - 08/25/03 12:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Please, think of the children.



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    #1847983 - 08/25/03 12:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

luvdemshrooms, you can French bash as much as you want and dance it up any way you like. Fine by me.

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    #1847987 - 08/25/03 12:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

It seems you can't read. My run-ins with those of French heritage goes back many years, long before the UN fiasco.

You'd be wise not to assume such things.


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    #1847999 - 08/25/03 12:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Luvdem said..

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That the French are assholes.




No mention of majorities or personal experience.

All these attacks on Alex grow more tedious everytime I read them.




The attacks as you call them, are not against Alpo. They are against the silly things he says. As I don't know anything of him other than what he posts, that's all I can attack. For all I know in real life, where he can't get away with such drivel, he may be a decent guy.


And you've seen enough of my posts and are smart enough to know that if I meant all, I'd have specifically said all. Starter on the other hand, has not.


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    #1848125 - 08/25/03 01:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

They are against the silly things he says

Like calling you on your bullshit when you say the french are assholes?

And you've seen enough of my posts and are smart enough to know that if I meant all

As Gazzbutt pointed out, you said "the french are assholes". You didn't say "some french are assholes". If your knowledge of english is too inadequate to express yourself clearly you cannot expect others to understand you.


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Re: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1848132 - 08/25/03 01:35 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Practice self-control. :wink:


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    #1848137 - 08/25/03 01:38 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

One more time for the slow..... in my experience... the French are assholes. At no time did I say ALL the French are assholes.

If it'd make you feel better I can dredge up some of your blanket statements.

Sadly, as has been seen many times, you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on the use of language. After all, since you don't know the difference between "there are no WMD's" and "no WMD's have been found", you obviously need a bit of work on your skills.


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    #1848158 - 08/25/03 01:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You said "The french are assholes". That is a blanket statement about french people.

Are you now (as ever) ducking and weaving trying to say you only meant "some french people are assholes"?


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    #1848169 - 08/25/03 01:50 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Alpo, if thinking that makes you happy, you go for it.  :rolleyes:

But when I actually mean all, I'll say all.


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    #1848179 - 08/25/03 01:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Can anyone explain the basics of the english language to luv? I'm bored  :smirk: 


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    #1848186 - 08/25/03 01:56 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You mean this????


Quote:

"there are no WMD's" and "no WMD's have been found"




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    #1848242 - 08/25/03 02:21 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Americans are ignorant.


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    #1848253 - 08/25/03 02:26 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, as long as you don't include Native Americans in that I'll go for it.

j/k


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    #1848256 - 08/25/03 02:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Americans are ignorant. 



A great many are.

British have bad teeth.  :wink:


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    #1848258 - 08/25/03 02:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mr_Mushrooms said:
Hey, as long as you don't include Native Americans in that I'll go for it.

j/k 


Sorry but he said Americans so he obviously meant all.  :lol:


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    #1848263 - 08/25/03 02:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, but they don't kill people with guns nearly as much.

Whitey is evil!  :devil:


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    #1848265 - 08/25/03 02:30 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Kill whitey for he is the source of all the worlds problems.


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    #1848266 - 08/25/03 02:30 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Mr_Mushrooms said:
Hey, as long as you don't include Native Americans in that I'll go for it.

j/k 


Sorry but he said Americans so he obviously meant all.  :lol: 




ROTFLMAO!  Good one! :lol:


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    #1848269 - 08/25/03 02:31 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Kill whitey for he is the source of all the worlds problems.




I knew you'd eventually see things our way.


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    #1848276 - 08/25/03 02:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have seen the light....
and it is white!


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    #1848284 - 08/25/03 02:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ohhhh that really IS a good one!  :thumbup: 


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