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Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years
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Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in a quarter-century; unemployment hits 14-year high WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's jobless ranks zoomed past 10 million last month, the most in a quarter-century, as piles of pink slips shut factory gates and office doors to 240,000 more Americans with the holidays nearing. Politicians and economists agreed on a painful bottom line: It's only going to get worse. The unemployment rate soared to a 14-year high of 6.5 percent, the government said Friday, up from 6.1 percent just a month earlier. And there was more grim news from U.S. automakers: Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp., American giants struggling to survive, each reported big losses and figured to be announcing even more job cuts before long.
Regulators, meanwhile, shut down Houston-based Franklin Bank and Security Pacific Bank in Los Angeles on Friday, bringing the number of failures of federally insured banks this year to 19.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was appointed receiver of Franklin Bank, which had $5.1 billion in assets and $3.7 billion in deposits as of Sept. 30, and of Security Pacific Bank, with $561.1 million in assets and $450.1 million in deposits as of Oct. 17.
Barack Obama, in his first news conference as president-elect, said the nation was facing the economic challenge of a lifetime but expressed confidence he could deal with it.
"Immediately after I become president, I'm going to confront this economic crisis head on by taking all necessary steps to ease the credit crisis, help hardworking families, and restore growth and prosperity," he said after meeting with economic advisers in Chicago. "I'm confident a new president can have an enormous impact."
Wall Street revived somewhat after two days of big losses. The Dow Jones industrials rose 248 points.
Still, the Labor Department's unemployment report provided stark evidence that the economy's health was deteriorating at an alarmingly rapid pace. The jobless rate was 4.8 percent just one year ago.
About 10.1 million people were unemployed in October, the most since the fall of 1983. More people have jobs now, since the population has grown, but it's still a staggering jobless figure. With employers slashing jobs every month so far this year, some 1.2 million positions have disappeared, over half in the past three months alone.
Like Obama, President Bush expressed confidence that things would get better: "Our economy has overcome great challenges before, and we can be confident that it will do so again."
But economists were much less upbeat than politicians.
"There is no light at the end of the tunnel, and the outlook is pitch black," said Richard Yamarone, economist at Argus Research.
And Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group, said the report "depicts an economy still in free fall and without a safety net anywhere in sight."
All the economy's woes -- a housing collapse, mounting foreclosures, hard-to-get credit and financial market upheaval -- will confront Obama when he assumes office in January. Unemployment is expected to keep rising during his first year in office, while record budget deficits will crimp his domestic agenda.
October's jobless rate was the highest since March 1994 and now has surpassed the 6.3 percent 2003 high after the most recent recession. The government also said job losses were worse than first reported for the preceding two months, 284,000 rather than 159,000 in September and 127,000 rather than 73,000 in August.
Many economists believe the unemployment rate will climb to 8 percent or 8.5 percent by the end of next year before slowly drifting downward. Some think unemployment could even hit 10 or 11 percent -- if an auto company should fail.
In any case, the rate is likely to move higher even if the economy is on somewhat stronger footing by the middle of next year as some hope. That's because companies won't be inclined to ramp up hiring until they feel certain that a recovery has staying power.
Joshua Shapiro, chief economist at consulting firm MFR Inc., said another reason the unemployment rate can keep climbing -- even after a recession is over -- is because people tend to flock back to the labor market when they sense their job prospects might be better. "It takes (people) awhile to figure out, 'Hey, there's jobs out there,'" Shapiro said.
In the 1980-1982 recession -- considered the worst since the Great Depression in terms of unemployment -- the jobless rate rose as high as 10.8 percent in late 1982 just as the recession ended, before inching down.
Friday's report was worse than analysts had expected. They had been forecasting a jobless rate of 6.3 percent with payrolls falling about 200,000.
Factories, including auto makers, construction companies, especially home builders, retailers, mortgage bankers, securities firms, hotels and motels and educational services, all cut jobs. As did temporary help firms -- a barometer of future hiring. All those losses more than swamped the few gains elsewhere, including in the government, health care and in accounting and bookkeeping.
Private companies cut 263,000 jobs, the most since the country was beginning to emerge from the 2001 recession. It marked the 11th straight month of such reductions.
The grim numbers spurred calls from Democrats on Capitol Hill to provide fresh relief. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Democrats, in a lame-duck session later this month, will push to enact another economic stimulus package of around $100 billion, possibly including provisions to create jobs through big public works projects.
Obama said if the session doesn't bring passage, the measure will be his first priority as president in January.
He has called for about $175 billion in new stimulus spending, including money for roads, bridges and aid to hard-pressed states. He wants a rebate of $500 for individuals, $1,000 for families and a new $3,000 tax credit for businesses for each new job created.
Workers with jobs saw only modest wages gains in October. Average hourly earnings rose to $18.21, a 0.2 percent increase from the previous month. Over the past year, wages have grown 3.5 percent, but paychecks aren't stretching far because high food, energy and other prices have propelled overall inflation at a faster pace.
The economy has lost its footing in just a few months. It contracted at a 0.3 percent pace in the July-September quarter, signaling the onset of a likely recession. It was the worst showing since the 2001 recession, and reflected a massive pullback by consumers.
As consumers watch jobs disappear, they'll probably retrench even further, spelling more trouble. Analysts say the economy is still shrinking in the current October-December quarter and will contract further in the first quarter of next year. All that more than fulfills a classic definition of a recession: two straight quarters of contracting economic activity.
"The U.S. recession is deepening," said Michael Gregory, economist at BMO Capital Markets Economics. The final quarter of this year is getting off to a "particularly ugly"

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081108/finan...down.html?.v=8

honestly i think the unemployment percentage is downplayed. id realisticly think its closer to 10%. but who knows.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: eatyualive]
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Jobless claims highest since Sept. 11 attacks

Unemployment filings surge to 516,000, number of Americans continuing on benefits at 25-year high.


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment insurance last week surged to the highest levels since the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and the number of people continuing to collect benefits rose to a 25-year high, the government said Thursday.
The U.S. Department of Labor reported that initial filings for state jobless benefits reached 516,000 for the week ended Nov. 8. That's the highest total since the week ended Sept. 29, 2001, two weeks after the attacks against New York and Washington, when 517,000 initial claims were filed.
Economists surveyed by Briefing.com expected 479,000 claims. This week, jobless filings increased by 32,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 484,000. Last year, the figure stood at 338,000.
The report is troubling because many economists expected jobless claims to hold from the week prior, according to Andrew Gledhill, economist at Moody's Economy.com.
"The labor market is deteriorating more rapidly than previously thought," he said.
He expects weekly claims to remain above 500,000 for at least six months, due to the breadth of job losses that are being reported.
The high number of Americans continuing to collect unemployment shows that hiring conditions are poor, according to Andrew Gledhill, economist at Moody's Economy.com.
The number of Americans collecting unemployment benefits for one week or more surged by 65,000 to 3,897,000, the highest level since January 1983. The data comes from the week ended Nov. 1, the most recent available. At this time last year, the figure was 2,587,000.The Bush administration weighed in on the jobless claim numbers.
"We know this is a tough time for many people and that's why this administration is focused on dealing with the financial situation across the board ... To get the economy moving and create jobs," according to Gordon Johndroe, a deputy press secretary.
The four-week moving average of unemployment claims, used to smooth fluctuations in the data, increased by 13,250 to 491,000 from the previous week's average of 477,750. A reading above 400,000 has been present during the past two recessions.
Ohio and Michigan, suffering from job losses related to the troubled U.S. automobile industry, reported the largest increases in initial claims.
The layoffs in those states are not likely to be reversed in coming months, Gledhill said. "Vehicle sales have been falling off a cliff, and that's not going to be reversed anytime soon."
Extended benefits were available in North Carolina and Rhode Island during the week ended Oct. 25, according to the report.
U.S. job losses have been mounting for months. Last week, the Labor Department reported the economy lost 240,000 jobs in October, bringing the total number of jobs shed in 2008 to nearly 1.2 million. The unemployment rate rose to 6.5%, a 14-year high, last month.
President-elect Barack Obama has put forth a few economic stimulus proposals, which may gain bipartisan support.
Some of his ideas include temporarily exempting the unemployed from having to pay income tax on their unemployment benefits, extending unemployment benefits, spending more on infrastructure to create jobs, and temporary tax credits for businesses that create jobs in the United States.
In the past week, Ford (F, Fortune 500) said it would cut salaried employment costs by 10%, global delivery company DHL said it was cutting 9,500 jobs and financial service provider Fidelity Investment announced 1,300 job cuts.
First Published: November 13, 2008: 8:54 AM ET
Layoffs hit every corner

DHL to cut 9,500 U.S. jobs

Jobs lost in 2008: 1.2 million

Ford: Massive loss, job cuts

States face unemployment cash crisis

http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/13/news...ion=2008111308


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: eatyualive]
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I say we blame Obama.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zouden]
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Blame all the bums in Washington.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
I say we blame Obama.



And the Democrat controlled House of Representatives along with the Democrat controlled United States Senate......


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: lonestar2004]
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It's both sides.
95% are corrupted.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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They are ALL WHORES! :smirk:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
zouden said:
I say we blame Obama.



And the Democrat controlled House of Representatives along with the Democrat controlled United States Senate......




How in the world is Obama responsible for the slump in the economy? The Republicans ran the US for 8 years, I think that has more to do with it than anything.

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Float]
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tell mugabe we said hi would you


democrats shot down every bill meant to get the problem under
control, it's easy to blame the guy in the whitehouse but the
fact of the matter, bush couldnt veto the bill if it never
made it to his desk... isnt obama a democrat senator, one of
the same that's voted against the bills that would have
prevented this?

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Prisoner#1]
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With a few more bailouts we are going to be Zimbabwe...


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
tell mugabe we said hi would you


democrats shot down every bill meant to get the problem under
control, it's easy to blame the guy in the whitehouse but the
fact of the matter, bush couldnt veto the bill if it never
made it to his desk... isnt obama a democrat senator, one of
the same that's voted against the bills that would have
prevented this?



Bullshit - risking a ban, you're purely ignorant of the underlying causes of the crisis, and refuse to study.

I've tried repeatedly to point you, and others, to the real information on this subject that could not only give you a clearer view of how the world works and the inevitability of crisis and disruption but give you a chance to make some real money in the meantime, but you're too married to partisan bullshit to listen to the truth.

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: phi1618]
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phi1618 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
tell mugabe we said hi would you


democrats shot down every bill meant to get the problem under
control, it's easy to blame the guy in the whitehouse but the
fact of the matter, bush couldnt veto the bill if it never
made it to his desk... isnt obama a democrat senator, one of
the same that's voted against the bills that would have
prevented this?



Bullshit - risking a ban, you're purely ignorant of the underlying causes of the crisis, and refuse to study.

I've tried repeatedly to point you, and others, to the real information on this subject that could not only give you a clearer view of how the world works and the inevitability of crisis and disruption but give you a chance to make some real money in the meantime, but you're too married to partisan bullshit to listen to the truth.



Do tell us your secret to making fortunes. Inquiring minds want to know. :rolleyes:


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: phi1618]
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phi1618 said:
you're purely ignorant of the underlying causes of the crisis, and refuse to study.





I wonder how many times have we debated and discussed this topic.....


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: phi1618]
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Quote:
too married to partisan bullshit to listen to the truth.



When you have a hammer every problem looks like a nail. And when you are a partisan every problem looks like a democrat or republican. I have given up trying to argue economics in this forum- people want to play Pin the Tail on the donkey (or elephant) rather than addressing the root causes of the crisis.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: lonestar2004]
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plenty... my view is definitely the minority in this forum, or at the very least people holding the opposite view are more vocal.
And, honestly, I could be wrong. Not sure why I got so emotional over it... :shrug:

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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mushroomhunter10 said:
phi1618 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
tell mugabe we said hi would you


democrats shot down every bill meant to get the problem under
control, it's easy to blame the guy in the whitehouse but the
fact of the matter, bush couldnt veto the bill if it never
made it to his desk... isnt obama a democrat senator, one of
the same that's voted against the bills that would have
prevented this?



Bullshit - risking a ban, you're purely ignorant of the underlying causes of the crisis, and refuse to study.

I've tried repeatedly to point you, and others, to the real information on this subject that could not only give you a clearer view of how the world works and the inevitability of crisis and disruption but give you a chance to make some real money in the meantime, but you're too married to partisan bullshit to listen to the truth.



Do tell us your secret to making fortunes. Inquiring minds want to know. :rolleyes:




Go read "Alchemy of Finance" by George Soros. He has a track record, a sensible framework of analysis, and teaches through example. It's a good book; for me, reading it was a transformative experience.

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: phi1618]
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Sadly that happens a lot in politics....:smirk:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said:
Quote:
too married to partisan bullshit to listen to the truth.



When you have a hammer every problem looks like a nail. And when you are a partisan every problem looks like a democrat or republican. I have given up trying to argue economics in this forum- people want to play Pin the Tail on the donkey (or elephant) rather than addressing the root causes of the crisis.



I freely admit to letting "partisan bullshit" sometimes effect my reasoning. although i did finally see the light about us being in a recession! :grin:

but IMO Pris is not Partisan.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

Edited by lonestar2004 (11/14/08 11:10 AM)

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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: phi1618]
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phi1618 said:
mushroomhunter10 said:
phi1618 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
tell mugabe we said hi would you


democrats shot down every bill meant to get the problem under
control, it's easy to blame the guy in the whitehouse but the
fact of the matter, bush couldnt veto the bill if it never
made it to his desk... isnt obama a democrat senator, one of
the same that's voted against the bills that would have
prevented this?



Bullshit - risking a ban, you're purely ignorant of the underlying causes of the crisis, and refuse to study.

I've tried repeatedly to point you, and others, to the real information on this subject that could not only give you a clearer view of how the world works and the inevitability of crisis and disruption but give you a chance to make some real money in the meantime, but you're too married to partisan bullshit to listen to the truth.



Do tell us your secret to making fortunes. Inquiring minds want to know. :rolleyes:




Go read "Alchemy of Finance" by George Soros. He has a track record, a sensible framework of analysis, and teaches through example. It's a good book; for me, reading it was a transformative experience.



I'll check t out.


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Re: Jobless ranks hit 10 million, most in 25 years [Re: eatyualive]
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It's Obama's fault.:mad2:


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