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    #920341 - 09/30/02 09:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

a friend rescently asked me to identify some mushrooms she has been finding on her lawn. from the description she gave i assumed they where Panaeolina foenisecii but after took a print she said the print was jet black. she sent the print to me and it is indeed black, i was thinking it might just be dark but i don't think so. i am left with the conclusion that it's a Panaeolus, i just don't know what species. i also find it interesting that i have ben finding pans in my own yard and at school that look like foenisecii but drop black prints.
anyway, here are some pics:

these one sat in my room while i was at school yesterday and have started to dry:

anyway, thought someone might be interested.


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Re: odd pans [Re: canid]
    #920501 - 09/30/02 10:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The semi-ovate Panaeolus (panaeolus semiovatus) has a blackish spore print as well as the Bell-Cap Panaeolus (panaeolus campanulatus). The Bell Cap is ?? to2? cap and the semi-ovate is bigger, 1-1/4? to 3-1/2?.

No info on edibility.


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Re: odd pans [Re: canid]
    #920699 - 09/30/02 11:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If it looks like Panaeolus foenisecii but it has a black spore print the first species I'd think of would be Panaeolus subbalteatus.


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Re: odd pans [Re: ledfethered]
    #921202 - 09/30/02 09:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

ledfethered, both are eddible, niether are worth consumption. i'm rather sure mine are niether.
ToxicMan, i highly doubt they are subbs, they look exactly like Pan foes but print black..i have found subbs on this lawn before twice, and have found them other places as well. they tend to have more brittle but stronger, thicker stipes.


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Re: odd pans [Re: canid]
    #922473 - 10/01/02 01:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

They could be subbs...or other closely related group, I have had subbs that looked just like those.

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Re: odd pans [Re: canid]
    #1120291 - 12/07/02 07:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ok, something else odd...
this was taken from a lawn at my school yesterday. the pic may not show it well but you can see noticable blueing of the mycelium at the stipe base.


i initialy wrote it off as foenisecii, but took it home for printing anyway. the print came out, as expected, dark brown. so i was thrown off when i noticed the blueing.

feaures:
pileus:
approx. 1/2in. diameter, only slightly more in height.
chestnut to buff, zonate, having a thin whittish zone at margin.
hygrophanous.

stipe:
approx 2 2/3in. long, almost 2/16in. wide at stipe apex, tapering slightly towards base.
pallid/white, posessing vertical grooves descending the length.

lamellae:
adnate in attachment.
close, narrow.
mottled gray in color.

spores:
no microscopic examination has been done.
clearly dark brown in deposit.

habitat:
singly to gregariously, on moderately well maintaned lawns.

bruising:
stipe bruising light reddish brown slowly and in drying. pileus may bruise similarly aswell, as it becomes darker uppon drying. minute but noticable blueing of mycelium at stipe base (hard to see in picture, but occuring in about 1/5 of specimens subsequently collected from this location).

here is another pic of a subsequent collection from the same location:


circled in red are the specimens in wich bluing can be seen. again, the bluing does not show well in the image.


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Re: odd pans [Re: canid]
    #1120334 - 12/07/02 08:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah - th0se l00k lIke Panae0lus castaneif0lIus var ggreat0neIf0lIus

DId Y0u sPecIfY the general l0catI0n 0f the fInd?


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Re: odd pans [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #1120363 - 12/07/02 08:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

panaeolus semiovatus has a slight veil.its the oddball of the pans and is inactive. ive found it severaltimes, it usually grows sparse and gregarious on dung in the shade


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Re: odd pans [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #1120852 - 12/08/02 12:30 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

sory about that, the general local is the central Sacramento valley in CA. on the westward side there of.
i had considered casteniefolius for the pans due to the way the margines tended to flair out on the most mature specimens but am unfamiliar with the morphology of the species and have always noticed them to be markedly zonate when moist.
these most recent speciemns are leaving me completely stumped, as they are identical to most every foenisecii i have ever found but bruise blue.
i realy don't think either are semiovatus.
none of these collections occur near any dung, strictly on lawns.
[note: all speciment where zonate and have faded due to the time between collection and photographing(well, scanning...).
thanks to all for the sugestions.


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    #1122717 - 12/08/02 09:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i'm not sure on the likelihood of them being Conocybes due to the gill attachment but i'll not rule it out. conocybe is another genus with wich i would like to better familarize myself and is one of the genera for wich i would like to obtain a monograph (i believe it was published in Vol. 3 of British Fungus Flora: Agarics and Boleti.)

i have no prints of the origional pans i found but believe they may have been castaneifolius. i gave up on the ones my friend found. i do have several prints of the rescent non-pans, and would be happey to have them looked at.

the only id book i currently own is audobon's. i use several online databases. the problem with the online DBs is that many of the keys are of poor quality and offer little insight about the species aside from allowing questional identification of specimens from the same locality using the pictures.

i will add that the zonate pattern of the pileuses(pilei?) in these collections was classic of Paneolous subbalteatus/ Paneolina foenisecii (hence my orogional assumption about the id).


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Re: odd pans [Re: ]
    #1123364 - 12/09/02 12:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, i still have a lot to learn about the taxanomy of fungi and the identification prosses but i intend to keep on learning.

i followed that thread a little while back. and found it to be informative.

i have noticed that most id books in print are lacking in quality. i do, however plan to buy MD as soon as i can afford to buy some more books.

i can try to find more of the suspect casters next season. i know of a place that produces pans that appear to be textbook casters about 150 miles north of here where i pick semies ocasionaly that i intend to check up them next season also. i will be sure to post regaurding them if any can be found.


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