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Der Antichrist
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"The Christian conception of God--God as god of the sick, God as a spider, God as spirit--is one of the most corrupt conceptions of the divine ever attained on earth. It may even represent the low-water mark in the descending development of divine types. God degenerated into the contradiction of life, instead of being its transfiguration and eternal Yes! God as the declaration of war against life, against nature, against the will to live! God--the formula for every slander against "this world," for every lie about the "beyond"! God--the deification of nothingness, the will to nothingness pronounced holy!"

"It is necessary to say whom we consider our antithesis: it is the theologians and whatever has theologians' blood in its veins--and that includes our whole philosophy."

Personally, I believe it stands as Nietzsche's most radical/bold piece--though fluid, easily understood, and enjoyable, it seems to be more of a ranting commentary on the psychological effects of Christianity (some of which are misrepresented; I believe Plato asserted the earliest Western philosophy which delved into a nihilism).

At any rate, I recently finished reading it and would be interested to hear other commentary and discussion--on any part.


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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: Lakefingers]
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After I read that book, and the twilight of the idol, I was forever changed. Took me several days to regain hold upon myself. lol.

I like to think he speaks more broadly then he lets on, in all his books.
Yet, I find, I agree with almost all of his thoughts and ideas.

If you havent, go read twilight of the idols, an amazing book. You'd like it.


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: sweetsweet]
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sweetsweet said:
"The Christian conception of God--God as god of the sick, God as a spider, God as spirit--is one of the most corrupt conceptions of the divine ever attained on earth. It may even represent the low-water mark in the descending development of divine types. God degenerated into the contradiction of life, instead of being its transfiguration and eternal Yes! God as the declaration of war against life, against nature, against the will to live! God--the formula for every slander against "this world," for every lie about the "beyond"! God--the deification of nothingness, the will to nothingness pronounced holy!"

"It is necessary to say whom we consider our antithesis: it is the theologians and whatever has theologians' blood in its veins--and that includes our whole philosophy."

Personally, I believe it stands as Nietzsche's most radical/bold piece--though fluid, easily understood, and enjoyable, it seems to be more of a ranting commentary on the psychological effects of Christianity (some of which are misrepresented; I believe Plato asserted the earliest Western philosophy which delved into a nihilism).

At any rate, I recently finished reading it and would be interested to hear other commentary and discussion--on any part.


Powerful words.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: sweetsweet]
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Nietzsche just noticed early on that people were devolving and the collective spiritual 'taste' that society held was on the decline.  I think he would have preferred the more magical image of God that the Egyptians held as well as the mysteries they associated with god. 

There's nothing romantic about God as christians practice.  It seems to me that Nietzsche was more of an idealist when it comes to the idea of spirit, this passage suggests that he held the ideal of 'god' higher than some punishment hungry, fear driven soul mogul.

edit: sexy nietzsche?  hahaha yeah at least he isn't bitching and moaning about the music of Wagner in that passage!  Nietzsche was an over rated bitchy asshole IMO he's like that pompous ass at the book store talking a little too load about the absence of the existentialist in post-modern art

Edited by drwatson (09/28/08 09:04 AM)

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: drwatson]
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I've been in an argument before where a girl took what Nietzsche said ('God is dead') literally. I had to explain that God is no longer relevant is what he meant (in my opinion). Either way, Nietzschean thought has definitely influenced me in a positive way.

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: Boots]
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Boots said:
I've been in an argument before where a girl took what Nietzsche said ('God is dead') literally. I had to explain that God is no longer relevant is what he meant (in my opinion). Either way, Nietzschean thought has definitely influenced me in a positive way.


me too my brother


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: Boots]
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As seen graffiti'd on a bathroom wall:

God is dead.
--Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead.
--God


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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: deCypher]
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Zombie Nietzsche lives!
--Zombie Nietzsche


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I know... that just the smallest
                                                part of the world belongs to me
You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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zouden said:
Zombie Nietzsche lives!
--Zombie Nietzsche


:rofl2:


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The Cypher said:
As seen graffiti'd on a bathroom wall:

God is dead.
--Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead.
--God


I think this must be a requirement for philosophy department restrooms; I see it frequently.


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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: Lakefingers]
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they see movement from the far end of the hall and without self-control come to the doors, banging and groaning, seeking the brains of the staff


Attack of the Philosophy Majors... something that's scarier than any fictional zombie.


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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
most people have the same experience when they don't get nietzsche


Oh well obviously i must not understand. 

Edited by drwatson (09/29/08 10:37 AM)

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: drwatson]
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The Christian conception of God--God as god of the sick, God as a spider, God as spirit--is one of the most corrupt conceptions of the divine ever attained on earth.


The Christian Bible says that Satan is the cause of illness, and that, by God's power, Satanic illness can be cast out.

Rather than calling God a spider, the Bible advises that the worship of creeping things is the evidence of a reprobate mind.

And, while the Biblical God is considered tripartate, acting as a body, mind, and spirit, the full extent of power contained by him is supposed to be reckoned as mysterious, and without fixed preconceptions.

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God degenerated into the contradiction of life


In fact, humans are said to be uniquely made in the image of God for having free will. God is said to be grace, and the evil are permitted to stray from it.

It is argued by some that God is the author of evil, because angels are merely will-less servitors. Thusly, fallen angels were programmed to do so. It is even written that the selectively redeemed human beings were "predestinated" to be so. Even still, evil can be said to have a purpose, in as much as we, as human beings, are capable of recognizing the difference.

We are not automatons, mindlessly reciting praises and curses, like tape recorders, for we are conscious. 

Edited by durian_2008 (09/29/08 04:56 PM)

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: durian_2008]
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Haven't read The Antichrist yet, currently reading The Gay Science, which is really good :wink:


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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: durian_2008]
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durian_2008 said:
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We are not automatons, mindlessly reciting praises and curses, like tape recorders, for we are conscious. 


or are we like automatons? i mean, who knows. maybe we dont have control over ourself and its just a false recognition. you would never know without seeing a parralel world


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Der Antichrist [Re: sweetsweet]
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I like this.

I prefer to see God as the Mother of All, a maternal figure of inexpressibly massive proportion in whose enormous folds and curves I play and from whose manifold breasts I continue to suckle. :sun:


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