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Philosophers similar to Nietzsche?
    #12763016 - 06/18/10 01:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've already explored Sartre and Kierkegaard, both of which who I find highly interesting and empowering to read, but none of them to the level of Nietzsche.

Aspects of Nietzsche I particularly enjoy -> perspectivism; the free spirit, who creates values, moralities, and beliefs, rather than simply prescribing to popular ones; the limits of science, how it is as flawed as religion, although not nearly as much and in a totally different degree; his poetic side, more so in his metaphors rather than the actual poetry; the limits and flaws of philosophy/philosophers; and his self-proclaimed psychologist side; the death of God and what it entails.


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: stereolab] * 1
    #12763260 - 06/18/10 02:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Icelander 


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: Icelander]
    #12764566 - 06/18/10 06:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Leibniz hands down






















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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: stereolab]
    #12764722 - 06/18/10 06:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Max Stirner. Another hardcore Teutonic spiritual anarchist.

Deleuze. if you can stand reading that kind of thing. :smile:


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: amuzakat]
    #12765308 - 06/18/10 08:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Foucault

and Sartre


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: JackofSpades]
    #12765476 - 06/18/10 09:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

some french prick :crazy2:


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: stereolab]
    #12768950 - 06/19/10 02:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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'Science is as flawed as religion, and not as much but to a different degree?'


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #12768972 - 06/19/10 02:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Bataille, Foucault, etc.


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: FuckinVirgin]
    #12779017 - 06/21/10 04:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

To read Nietzsche, you should first read Schopenhauer. Nietzsche is one long-winded answer to Schopenhauer's philosophical pessimism.

After that, you would probably most like Foucault, who sees history as a process wherein power further entangles and tightens itself within the threading of physical and social relationships. But then, you're already getting your feet stuck in the mud of Continental and postmodern philosophy. That's a bad turn.

You'd do better to skip the Nietzsche and just jump into Anglo-American analytic philosophy (e.g., Gilbert Ryle, Hilary Putnam, W.V.O. Quine, Daniel Dennett, etc.). That's "real" philosophy, unlike Deleuze and the other pomo goons.


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: PIHKAL]
    #12779027 - 06/21/10 04:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree.

I think post-modern philosophy is very interesting :shrug:


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: PIHKAL]
    #12779070 - 06/21/10 04:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: JackofSpades]
    #12779089 - 06/21/10 04:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I disagree.

I think post-modern philosophy is very interesting :shrug:




Sure, "interesting" could be an apt description; of course, I'm not sure it's correct, intellectually advancing, or even "philosophical."

Deleuze and Guattari can wax poetic about lines of flight, bodies without organs, and rhizomes; Derrida can attempt to collapse widely-believed interpretations of the Western canon; Foucault can dispute the existence of authors; et cetera. I'm not sure any of this actually promotes the progress of Western thought, though--but, of course, these writers can sure be sources of an "intellectual kick." At some point, though, I'd rather just be reading philosophers that understand how symbolic logic works.


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: quinn]
    #12779110 - 06/21/10 04:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Charles U Farley, is an Nietzsche inspired philosopher from the early nineties who wrote narratives like Thoreau.  He wrote a couple of books, doubt they were published by anyone major.


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: PIHKAL]
    #12779125 - 06/21/10 04:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

but they are part of the cannon that derrida collapsed


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: PIHKAL]
    #12780511 - 06/21/10 09:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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To read Nietzsche, you should first read Schopenhauer. Nietzsche is one long-winded answer to Schopenhauer's philosophical pessimism.

After that, you would probably most like Foucault, who sees history as a process wherein power further entangles and tightens itself within the threading of physical and social relationships. But then, you're already getting your feet stuck in the mud of Continental and postmodern philosophy. That's a bad turn.

You'd do better to skip the Nietzsche and just jump into Anglo-American analytic philosophy (e.g., Gilbert Ryle, Hilary Putnam, W.V.O. Quine, Daniel Dennett, etc.). That's "real" philosophy, unlike Deleuze and the other pomo goons.





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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: stereolab]
    #12781049 - 06/21/10 10:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why not read he writings of those who influenced Nietzsche?

Plato, Dostoevsky, Schopenhauer, Emerson, and so forth . . .


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: Mnboardin]
    #12781505 - 06/21/10 11:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Influenced, like pissed off?


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: stereolab] * 1
    #12782901 - 06/22/10 05:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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To read Nietzsche, you should first read Schopenhauer. Nietzsche is one long-winded answer to Schopenhauer's philosophical pessimism.

After that, you would probably most like Foucault, who sees history as a process wherein power further entangles and tightens itself within the threading of physical and social relationships. But then, you're already getting your feet stuck in the mud of Continental and postmodern philosophy. That's a bad turn.

You'd do better to skip the Nietzsche and just jump into Anglo-American analytic philosophy (e.g., Gilbert Ryle, Hilary Putnam, W.V.O. Quine, Daniel Dennett, etc.). That's "real" philosophy, unlike Deleuze and the other pomo goons.




And to read Schopenhauer "you must" read Kant and to read Kant "you must" read Hume and to read Hume "you must" read Descartes and all the biographies and visit their birth places and etc, etc. Not really. We all stand on the moment and you start somewhere. The "musts" are for academics, and even one academic's life spent on Nietzsche will not cover all the ground. Additionally, summarizing Nietzsche as "one long-winded answer to Schopenhauer's philosophical pessimism" is an oversimplified trump of Nietzsche's philosophy, prose, style, etc. The rest of your post further demonstrates you have only a general/textbook-loaned understanding of philosophy.

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I've already explored Sartre and Kierkegaard, both of which who I find highly interesting and empowering to read, but none of them to the level of Nietzsche.




Maybe Nietzsche's your man. That is, sometimes it's best to stick with what works. There are many appropriate suggestions of central thinkers in this thread, which I think you could begin exploring. (Bataille might be a good starting place, although more focused on the dismissed, the depraved, the neglected than Nietzsche. Bataille's prose is, like Nietzsche's, accessible for an intelligent public, whereas Derrida and many other suggestions above will require much more effort or a reading group through your university.) Nietzsche's Nietzsche though and many find that after they've read him the volume of other philosopher's is lowered. You might want to look into literature as well, where you can find your kind of philosophy merged with witticism and good style. E.g. the authors suggested above, Edward Abbey, Annie Dillard, Norman Mailer, Milan Kundera, Voltaire, Albert Camus, Thomas Mann, Herman Hesse, Rainer Maria Rilke, Montaigne, Andre Gidé, William Butler Yeats, Rosseau, Henry Miller, Flannery O'Connor, even Mark Twain (Nietzsche even read him in translation)...


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #12784535 - 06/22/10 03:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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To read Nietzsche, you should first read Schopenhauer. Nietzsche is one long-winded answer to Schopenhauer's philosophical pessimism.

After that, you would probably most like Foucault, who sees history as a process wherein power further entangles and tightens itself within the threading of physical and social relationships. But then, you're already getting your feet stuck in the mud of Continental and postmodern philosophy. That's a bad turn.

You'd do better to skip the Nietzsche and just jump into Anglo-American analytic philosophy (e.g., Gilbert Ryle, Hilary Putnam, W.V.O. Quine, Daniel Dennett, etc.). That's "real" philosophy, unlike Deleuze and the other pomo goons.




And to read Schopenhauer "you must" read Kant and to read Kant "you must" read Hume and to read Hume "you must" read Descartes and all the biographies and visit their birth places and etc, etc. Not really. We all stand on the moment and you start somewhere.




He has started and is now looking to explore further. That's the essence of our discussion, isn't it?

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Lakefingers said:The "musts" are for academics, and even one academic's life spent on Nietzsche will not cover all the ground.




The "musts" are for all those that are intellectually curious; reading Kant (etc.) is not reserved for university offices and refereed journals.

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Lakefingers said:Additionally, summarizing Nietzsche as "one long-winded answer to Schopenhauer's philosophical pessimism" is an oversimplified trump of Nietzsche's philosophy, prose, style, etc.




Schopenhauer said a resigned "No" to Life qua conscious existence. Nietzsche, over and over again, shouted "Yes" to Life. That's essentially all there is to him. His reputation is inflated--ususally puffed up by libertines and other anti-Burkean radicals (the familiar thread in mid-to-late 20th-century Continental philosophy, where rebellion against order itself becomes an unquestioned virtue). Nietzsche, lest we forget, also declared his own indebtedness to Schopenhauer.

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Lakefingers said:The rest of your post further demonstrates you have only a general/textbook understanding of philosophy.




A textbook understanding? Thank you. After all, a textbook is an informative, authoritative, almost exhaustive compendium of knowledge relevant to a topic.

Over all, most people will "get into" philosophy due to writers like Nietzsche; if you're still there or within that orbit years afterward, then you're no longer "doing" philosophy. I'd much rather be discussing Quine's ontological relativity and its relevance to the nature of mathematics, for instance.


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Re: Philosophers similar to Nietzsche? [Re: PIHKAL]
    #12784987 - 06/22/10 04:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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