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Religion a part of politics?
    #896504 - 09/21/02 01:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Anybody feel religion should have some influence upon politics?
Does your spiritual belief have a right to be incorporated into the the law making process?
Statistics say more than half of Americans feel that way, and Almost that many Canadians so speak up if you do.
My apologies if this is the wrong forum but I had to guess out of the 2 there is and felt this bunch may give a more balanced answer.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #896544 - 09/21/02 01:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Anybody feel religion should have some influence upon politics?

Yes.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #896548 - 09/21/02 01:39 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Interresting, can you elaborate?


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #896564 - 09/21/02 01:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely not. Its affect on American politics has been horrific.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: Swami]
    #896585 - 09/21/02 02:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

American politics are no good today. I dislike the american way of life.......let us go back to the native americans ways please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Devolution folks. The natives had it better.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #896596 - 09/21/02 02:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

*sigh* Another myth. In the '40s through '60s the Indians were portrayed by American media as ruthless savages, then for the next few decades were portrayed as spiritually advanced beings. The truth lies somewhere between.

Many Indian tribes were just as savage as any white man and were ruthless to other tribes.

Were they more ecologically balanced? No. The population was so small that ecological impact was negligible. As soon as trade was developed with the French and English, did they start overhunting? Most certainly.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #896601 - 09/21/02 02:14 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Interresting, can you elaborate? 

Absolutely not. Its affect on American politics has been horrific.

Spirituality is more important than politics. I don't think it has had a true effect on politics yet, if it did would we be living in this corporate slaving, unspiritual, greedy way of life that puts money in front of human life? I think not. But i do agree with what you have said Swami. I do feel that religon has had a horrific affect on politics, but do you feel that real spiritual views are being expressed in politics? Or ignorant close minded religious views? Do you think spirituality has had its true affect on politics yet? I don't
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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: Swami]
    #896606 - 09/21/02 02:15 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

*sigh* Another myth. In the '40s through '60s the Indians were portrayed by American media as ruthless savages, then for the next few decades were portrayed as spiritually advanced beings. The truth lies somewhere between.

Very good points Swami, I agree. Nobody ever knows anything to be truth.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #896621 - 09/21/02 02:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

To date, the presidents of the USA (with the possible exception of Kennedy and maybe Carter) have not had a vision for America. They have mostly been reactionaries with their own personal agenda.

Who has made their number 1 cause to be employment and education for all? Elimination of homelessness? Reduction in prison population? A healthy environment? Any real future thinking? None IMHO.

It is ego that leads one to want to become president and all decisions are based on that. A very spiritual person would be unlikely to seek power, or if he did, would have to sell his soul along the way to get support.

Currently, Gary Johnson, guv of NM, is one of the few politicians that impresses me.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: Swami]
    #896628 - 09/21/02 02:26 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Who has made their number 1 cause to be employment and education for all? Elimination of homelessness? Reduction in prison population? A healthy environment? Any real future thinking? None IMHO.

So the question is, do you think that spirituality should have more influence in politics? I think so.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #896675 - 09/21/02 02:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

So the question is, do you think that spirituality should have more influence in politics? I think so.




spirituality and religion can possibly have good effects on politics but the ones seen so far have been bad, to say the least. ethics and altruism should have more influence in politics, not spirituality.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #896768 - 09/21/02 03:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

My apologies if this is the wrong forum but I had to guess out of the 2 there is and felt this bunch may give a more balanced answer.

Not at all.  I see you have sound judgment. :wink:

One proviso and I am serious about this, if the thread shifts too much towards politics and away from religion's role or non-role in politics I will immediately move it to the Political Forum.

A far more interesting question to me is whether or not ethics should play a role in politics.  So far we have seen little of that.

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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #897148 - 09/21/02 12:31 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

spirituality and religion can possibly have good effects on politics but the ones seen so far have been bad, to say the least.

Yes, I agree; but do you feel that spirituality has been represented correctly in politics? I don't feel it has had its true impact yet. If it had, we would have a much different society than what we are living in now.
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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #897158 - 09/21/02 12:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

Yes, I agree; but do you feel that spirituality has been represented correctly in politics? I don't feel it has had its true impact yet. If it had, we would have a much different society than what we are living in now.
Peace, Trev




I don't have an opinion on what the "correct" representation of spirituality is, nor do I care really, as I am not a "spiritual" person. in fact, I'd be sort of offended by anything spiritual having an impact on politics even if such impacts turned out to be for good, becausee there are other ways to reach that point which apply to everyone and not just those who are spiritual. as I said, ethics and altruism are a better path to political philosophies that may please everyone.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #897176 - 09/21/02 12:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I see your points, and i do agree with you because, like you said, not everyone is a spiritual person. But it is just my opinion that spirituality and religion are much more important in life than politics. I also believe that if this were a spiritual society rather than a political society things would be better. I also know that im dreaming. "You may say that im a dreamer, but im not the only one" - Lennon
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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #897180 - 09/21/02 12:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I also believe that if this were a spiritual society rather than a political society

What in the hell does this mean?
Politics will NEVER go away. I'm not getting into this... get a dictionary.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: Sclorch]
    #897199 - 09/21/02 01:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It means what it means. I would like to see a complete revolution of ways that are different than are now by 100%. Sorry to make you mad. :blush:
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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: Sclorch]
    #897203 - 09/21/02 01:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Governments are no good. Do you like being a controlled corporate slave?


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #897211 - 09/21/02 01:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Funny. I don't think of myself as a controlled corporate slave.


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Re: Religion a part of politics? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #897212 - 09/21/02 01:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

you mean corporations are no good. in this you are correct. some form of minimalistic government is preferable to me over none at all.


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