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rye question
    #891415 - 09/18/02 03:00 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I soaked rye for two hours then brought up to almost a simmer.  Then rinsed and drained.  then pcd them in all sized jars for roughly 45 to 60. No kernels exploded.  But there is a slight color change in the kernels .  Does this sound right.  How do i tell if I have the right moisture content.  im using F+ ,Cam,Haw,SA part of the dark days special from the little guy :grin: 

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Re: rye question [Re: ]
    #891422 - 09/18/02 03:03 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

This sounds correct.  The grain is saturated and cooked.  Have you ever soaked and cooked anything raw?  It changes color, right? :grin:

I think you'll be fine on the moisture content.  If it looks moist in there, the kernels are expanded, but everything is still very shakeable and nothing is literally soaking wet, you're probably in good shape.

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Re: rye question [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #891477 - 09/18/02 03:26 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

thanx im going to spawn straw/dung then case with coir and verm. hopeing for big yeilds. also used rest of spore water in a honey water tek for future use.later

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Re: rye question [Re: ]
    #891606 - 09/18/02 04:26 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Just make sure your jars are able to exchange gas without intoroducing contams, ie: filter disks or tyvek... Sealed jars will not germinate spores.


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Re: rye question [Re: TM]
    #891669 - 09/18/02 04:56 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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Sealed jars will not germinate spores.




I'm sorry, but I don't believe this.


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    #891683 - 09/18/02 05:03 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: rye question [Re: matts]
    #891694 - 09/18/02 05:06 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I just wanted it known that the spores will indeed germinate.  :grin: 


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Re: rye question [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #891708 - 09/18/02 05:13 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Yes they will, but as matts said, the growth will stall.

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Re: rye question [Re: Anno]
    #891759 - 09/18/02 05:41 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

If the statment is 100% true .............then how does a strain grown and selected in a sealed petri dish almost double in size every other day . This is the case for me at least . According to "THE BOOK" and many other things I have read C02 is only an inhibitor in the primordial stages and cropping stages . But in a sealed jar the excessive C02 could generate enough heat to effect overall growth , thus the need for air transfer of some sort thru filter or loose fitting lids .  :cool:
What do I know I have too much time on my hands ?  :wink: 


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Re: rye question [Re: matts]
    #891792 - 09/18/02 05:51 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Trapped  co2 causes heat build up hence the term.............. "green house" effect . :cool: 


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Re: rye question [Re: matts]
    #891806 - 09/18/02 06:00 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I'm certain people have used sealed jars with success. I don't think a sealed jar is necessarily better -- for instance, I use a polyfill filter. I was only asserting the fact that spores will indeed germinate in a sealed jar. Also, the mycellium could very well colonize grain in a sealed jar even though it probably isn't the ideal environment.

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Re: rye question [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #892094 - 09/18/02 08:11 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

In my experience, if the jar is sealed tightly, the mycelium never becomes visible even though the spores may germinate. I believe the main reason for this is a factor of the rye being fermented and causing excess gasses and mycelial opponents.

I found this out quite by accident when I decided to try pickle and spaghetti sauce jars instead of canning jars with flipped lids (which only work part of the time for the same apparent reason).

When using filter patch bags or properly filtered jars, the mycelium rips through the rye as expected.


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Re: rye question [Re: TM]
    #892109 - 09/18/02 08:18 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

If the jars are properly sterilized, the grain won't ferment. Yeast cannot survive an hour at 15 lbs.


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Re: rye question [Re: tripndicular]
    #892117 - 09/18/02 08:22 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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Trapped co2 causes heat build up hence the term.............. "green house" effect



The "green house effect" does not exist at petri dish level.

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Re: rye question [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #892119 - 09/18/02 08:23 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Well, then I can't explain why, I just know it doesn't work.  :crazy:


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Re: rye question [Re: TM]
    #892125 - 09/18/02 08:24 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, then I can't explain why, I just know it doesn't work.



Because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean that it won't work... How do you explain PF jars colonizing with tape on the holes?  :wink: 


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Re: rye question [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #892150 - 09/18/02 08:38 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe 'cause BRF isn't rye... I never said ALL substrates need air exchange, just rye... IME.  :crazy: 


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Re: rye question [Re: TM]
    #892152 - 09/18/02 08:40 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Hahaha.. Ok, we'll agree to disagree.. :smile: 


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Re: rye question [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #892183 - 09/18/02 08:57 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, but I'd still love to know why I can't get my rye to grow mycelium in a sealed jar... :smile: Hehehe. :confused: 


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