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The Alternative Energy Thread!
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(was the algae based biofuels thread, but i thought with the addition of so many other technologies that this name is more appropriate. :grin:)


Algae Based Biofuels in Plain English: Why it Matters, How it Works.

Algae based biofuels. You've probably heard the term tossed around, and have maybe even said it in a sentence or two yourself. But have you ever really understood what it means, what the implications are, and on a basic level, how it works and if it has even the slightest chance to be a viable large scale player in supplying for our fuel needs? For many of you, I'm imagining the answer is no. Even I, a green business consultant, was quite fuzzy about it all. Until today.

Today I came across a video put out by the folks at Valcent, which makes absolutely clear, and absolutely exciting, the what, how, and how much of algae based biofuels, and in particular how their method, via High Density Vertical Bioreactors, they will do it much better. Say what?

In plain English, with their Vertigro system, they change the plane of producing algael biofuels from horizontal to vertical, keeping the liquid medium it's growing in constantly moving. And this matters why?

You've probably seen what happens to a still body of water like a pond or a pool: Thick, stagnant algae, that once it reaches a certain density, blocks out sunlight from continuing to produce algae at maximum potential.

What happens when you take it vertical? More potential surface area (think rows of sun exposed surfaces vs. just one) and therefore more carbon sequestration. Algae, according to the Valcent video, is the fastest growing plant in the world, and in the process of this, absorbs a great deal of CO2.

It also produces lipids, or the equivalent of vegetable oil. Depending on the species, 50% of it's body weight is these lipids. And they can select for certain algae strains that are particularly suited for making jet fuel or diesel, which most long haul trucks use. Both are huge contributors to environmental pollutants with their current petroleum based fuels.

How does algae stack up to the current 800 pound gorilla in the US, corn based ethanol? According to the Valcent video, an acre of corn can produce 18 gallons of oil/year. Really? That sounds terribly inefficient to me. Palm oil produces 700-800 gallons/acre. Respectable amount, but its cultivation has been a frequent issue due to unsustainable cultivation practices (Read: chopping down the rain forest)

Algae, even in a regular, horizontal, open pond system, can produce up to 20,000 gallons of oil per year. This is including such factors as water evaporation, growth inhibiting more growth below, and the accidental introduction of foreign algae strains from the air. With algae biofuel production, they can take what remains after extracting the oil, and put it to use as feed stock for animals, as a component of fertilizer, and even to produce even more biofuel. So everything that runs through their systems finds use.

The video finishes with a startling claim: If they were to put to use 1/10th of the land area of New Mexico, they could meet all the energy demands for the entire United States. That, versus resource depleting, conflict generating, pocketbook sapping petroleum based fuels I would take any day!

See the video for yourself here.




MASS PRODUCTION NOW!    :crankey:


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Edited by LeftyBurnz (08/23/08 09:58 AM)

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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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another awesome source of cheap energy. salt water.

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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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It would be great to see someone trying to tackle a fully automated system from algae growth to fuel production. Small units that could be installed in communities and used as fuel co-ops. All you need is someone trained to monitor the system to make sure the computer is keeping adequate levels of algae in the bio-reactor, then add the necessary chemicals (methanol and potassium hydroxide) to the processor.

Instead of having to use a huge plot of land in the desert where more energy will be wasted transporting the fuels and any supplies necessary to produce them, put the production facilities inside the communities that will use them.

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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: DNKYD]
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DNKYD said:
It would be great to see someone trying to tackle a fully automated system from algae growth to fuel production. Small units that could be installed in communities and used as fuel co-ops. All you need is someone trained to monitor the system to make sure the computer is keeping adequate levels of algae in the bio-reactor, then add the necessary chemicals (methanol and potassium hydroxide) to the processor.

Instead of having to use a huge plot of land in the desert where more energy will be wasted transporting the fuels and any supplies necessary to produce them, put the production facilities inside the communities that will use them.



my thoughts exactly.  i mean can you believe that? if our government took the money wasted in the middle east towards funding this technology, we could be independent from oil in less than 10 years, maybe 5.  1/10th the area of nevada is all we need to fuel the entire united states. thats 2211 square miles per state. if you spread these things out thats not a whole lot.

and theres no worries of toxic waste from this industry.  all in all it is a very efficient technology.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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I bet human poop has lots of oils etc for fuel.....but we treat it and dump it in rivers, etc.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: Irishdrunk]
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yay for giant poop tubes out in our oceans!


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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LOL our poop could be worth something some day:irishtoast:


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: Irishdrunk]
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No more gas stations, we could just squat and shit in a hole in our cars.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: Irishdrunk]
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Irishdrunk said:
LOL our poop could be worth something some day:irishtoast:



i wont have to worry about money. i shit 2-3 times a day!


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: DNKYD]
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that burning salt water thing is amazing! it actually really delighted and inspired me!  very cool.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: Shins]
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:awesome:


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Aye, and the remaining fibers and whatnot that the car doesn't use as fuel you remove after it compacts it, just a square of organic material you can use as mulch.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: Irishdrunk]
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the ocean is the new frontier in my opinion, theres so much stuff we don't about it yet, who knows what kind of miracles are lurking miles below the surface?


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: Complex]
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the oceans are dying :frown:


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Yah the oceans are dying, lets lay off them and find other sources lol........they've had enough of our shit to last a lifetime.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Algae - like a breath mint for smokestacks

I did some research on the matter back in college and the first plant is supposed to be coming online this year or early 2009.

What you do is take a couple acres next to your coal-fired power plant and fill it up with stacks of plastic tubes full of algal solution.  Pump the waste gasses from the power plant out to the algal stacks, the algae goes crazy on the CO2 and you get a two-fold benefit:  1) Massive reduction in greenhouse gas emissions 2) Regular harvests of algae that can be pressed to produce massive quantities of biofuels.

Awesome.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: toastandjam]
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hopefully its this year.

would be nice if they developed a salt water powerplant.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: toastandjam]
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toastandjam said:
Algae - like a breath mint for smokestacks

I did some research on the matter back in college and the first plant is supposed to be coming online this year or early 2009.

What you do is take a couple acres next to your coal-fired power plant and fill it up with stacks of plastic tubes full of algal solution.  Pump the waste gasses from the power plant out to the algal stacks, the algae goes crazy on the CO2 and you get a two-fold benefit:  1) Massive reduction in greenhouse gas emissions 2) Regular harvests of algae that can be pressed to produce massive quantities of biofuels.

Awesome.



Damn, technology never fails to amaze me

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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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leftysurprise said:
another awesome source of cheap energy. salt water.

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Is he claiming that he can hydrolyse water with radio waves? This is a very big claim. They've been trying to do that for as long as they've been trying to get cold fusion to work. I doubt he's done it. I'm also very sceptical on his cancer treatment.

As for algae biodiesel: excellent idea.
You can also make hydrogen gas from algae. But it's not very efficient.


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Re: Algae Based Biofuels. [Re: zouden]
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i dont know, i guess time will tell if his claims are true or not.  :shrug:


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