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Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff
    #8554037 -

I find it hopelessly depressing that so many people fail to see the harm belief in things not in evidence brings to the world. From generations of religious wars and suicide bombers to discrimination against non-believers and wasted public money on "faith-based" organizations supported by my tax dollars. :sad:

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More than 90 percent of Americans -- including one in five people who say they are atheists -- believe in God or a universal power, and more than half pray at least once a day, according to results of a poll released today that takes an in-depth look at Americans' religious beliefs.

The poll, by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, also found that nearly three-fourths of Americans believe in heaven as a place where people who have led good lives will be eternally rewarded. And almost 60 percent believe in hell, where people who have led bad lives and die without repenting are eternally punished, the poll found.

Majorities also believe that angels and demons are at work in the world and that miracles occur today as they did in ancient times.

"These are common beliefs among the American public," said Gregory A. Smith, a research fellow at the Pew Forum, a D.C. think tank.

This is the organization's second report that is based on one of the largest polls of Americans' religious beliefs ever conducted, with more than 36,000 adults interviewed.

The first report released in February took a broad look at the American religious landscape, while this report dives deeply into the faith and politics of religious, and non-religious, Americans.

On the political side, for example, it found, among Jews who pray daily, 36 percent are politically conservative -- more than twice as many as those who pray less often. Among evangelical Christians, 56 percent who pray daily are politically conservative, compared to 40 percent of all other evangelical Christians.

On the whole, though, that difference holds true more for Christian faiths than non-Christian faiths, the poll found. "Members of non-Christian faiths," the report says, "tend to be much more moderate or liberal."

Two-thirds of Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are Democrats or lean Democratic, compared with 22 percent of Mormons. Also, 77 percent of historically black churches are Democrats or lean Democratic, while only one-third of evangelical churches are Democrats or lean Democratic.

It also found some agreement among the most faithful and the least faithful. While it confirms that those who attend church and pray frequently are most likely to oppose legalized abortion and believe that homosexuality should be discouraged, it finds less of a divide on other issues.

More than 60 percent of Americans across the religious and secular spectrum want the government to do more to help the needy and support stronger environmental laws, for example. And majorities in most religions believe the United States should concentrate more on problems at home and pay less attention to problems overseas, according to the report.

On these issues, "we can see a kind of consensus that exists across a great variety of religious groups," said Smith.

The study confirmed what is already known about the United States -- that it is a deeply religious nation. But it fleshes out that stereotype with myriad details that add depth and complexity, and some surprises, to the picture.

For example, along with 21 percent of the people who describe themselves as atheists but express a belief in God or a universal spirit, more than half of those who say they are agnostic express a similar conviction.

But most Americans -- even many of the most religiously conservative -- have a non-exclusive attitude toward other faiths. Seventy percent of those affiliated with a religion believe that many religions, not just their own, can lead to eternal salvation. Just about one-quarter believe there is only one true way to interpret their own religion's teachings.

"Even though Americans tend to take religion quite seriously and are a highly religious people, there is a certain degree of openness and a lack dogmatism in their approach to faith and the teachings of their faith," said Smith.

Washington Post


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
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I call whining.:tongue:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Icelander]
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I'd agree with that call if not for the fact that many of these people try to dump their shit on me.

See the Separation of Church and State thread next to this one for how a large fraction of that 90% prevent me from holding public office or becoming a notary because I don't dance like they do...

When they start keeping their shit to themselves, I'll shut up about how much it stinks.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
    #8554107 -

they have their right to preach and you have your right to bitch about them doing so. even? :shrug:


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Felinor]
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Do they have the right to exclude me from becoming governor of Texas because I don't believe in god? Because that's what they currently do, you know.

Texas does not allow atheists to become governor. See Separation of Church and State thread.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
    #8554132 -

I'd agree with that call if not for the fact that many of these people try to dump their shit on me.



More whining.:lol: So now we all have to act in ways that support your comfort levels? :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Icelander]
    #8554140 -

Watch out. Your comfort level may be next. Legislated superstition is spreading in the world.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
    #8554141 -

Govenor Diploid? I don't think so.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Icelander]
    #8554148 -

Governor? No way. President! :razz:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
    #8554149 -

Diploid said:
Watch out. Your comfort level may be next. Superstition is spreading in the world.



I'm working on accepting unconditionally the chaos of the world for exactly what you mentioned above. Going crazy would be the alternative.:D


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
    #8554156 -

Diploid said:
Do they have the right to exclude me from becoming governor of Texas because I don't believe in god? Because that's what they currently do, you know.

Texas does not allow atheists to become governor. See Separation of Church and State thread.



isnt that against our consitution. freedom of religion without recourse?> take it to court and they'd find it as unconstitutional i bet.


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Icelander]
    #8554160 -

I'm working on accepting unconditionally the chaos of the world

Accepting of legislated religious oppression? Wow!

I wonder if you'd still say that if Muslims in your neck of the woods gains legislative power and ban the owning of dogs.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
    #8554176 -

Diploid said:
I'm working on accepting unconditionally the chaos of the world

Accepting of legislated religious oppression? Wow!

I wonder if you'd still say that if Muslims in your neck of the woods gains legislative power and ban the owning of dogs.



I would kill and eat him. (no waste) Diploid my friend most of my freedoms were restricted or removed long before I was born. A few more won't hurt that much now. Don't think I'm kidding here. I'm on my way to dying and I'm just some energy that cannot be destroyed. It ain't personal. Anyway I've built (building) up an immunity of sorts and keep my freedom within.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Icelander]
    #8554190 -

I would kill and eat him

Hot dogs! :razz:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
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Well, this is discouraging.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Beleive In Made Up Stuff [Re: Boots]
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So 90% of Americans are dumb. Where's the headline here?

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Believe In Made Up Stuff [Re: Icelander]
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Diploid said:
Accepting of legislated religious oppression? Wow!



A lot of the legislated rules are oppressive in some form or another - UNLESS you are accepting of it....  :ohwell:
But, rules are only broken if you get caught breaking them....


Icelander said:
most of my freedoms were restricted or removed long before I was born. A few more won't hurt that much now. Don't think I'm kidding here.



Exactly.....  :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."

>^;;^<

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Believe In Made Up Stuff [Re: PhanTomCat]
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But, rules are only broken if you get caught breaking them....

Some rules can't be broken. For example, the school voucher program in Florida that gives parents the option of sending their kids to public school or receiving a voucher worth many thousands of my tax dollars to pay for private religious schools instead.

Not only do I have to support these people making more babies to burden our overpopulated planet with, but to add insult to injury, my money that should go to support public education now gets taken away from the public school system and sent to private religious indoctrination... uh, I mean education instead.

It really sucks.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Believe In Made Up Stuff [Re: Diploid]
    #8555760 -

Most all of politics suck....    :ohwell:
You can choose to be mad at it and all, but that does no good for ya~....
It's one of those things in life....
Like it or lump it, it isn't going away, and it prolly~ won't get any better, nor more honest, nor more "fair"....

I have accepted this fact, and make due with what is left for me out of my paycheck....
Getting caught up in the trivial details of the money they don't allow me to keep seems like time and energy wasted....    :shrug:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."

>^;;^<

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Re: Poll: 90+% of Americans Believe In Made Up Stuff [Re: PhanTomCat]
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You can choose to be mad

I'm not mad, just vocal. I don't think these things should go completely unopposed, so I talk about them. Maybe it will open someone's eyes.

And talking about it is a good winnowing process that helps me find like-minded people, of which there seem to be fewer and fewer every day.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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