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WTF Happened??
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So last night I decided to eat some Penis Envy shrooms that I had. I took a relatively small dose compared to what I am used to. I took 2.6 grams dry. I broke them up into small pieces and then powdered the best I could. I then poured some cranberry juice into the glass, let it sit, then drank. I refilled the glass to retrieve all the remaining powder and drank that.

Now last week (actually 6 days ago) I did kind of the same thing, but only put 2 grams in the glass. I then ate an additional 2 grams. Total of 4 grams. My biggest dose of shrooms ever. That night was amazing. Probably the best experience I ever had on mushrooms. Everything was right. We had some Floyd and Doors playing with G-Force visualizer going on the computer and tv, lit some candles, had some very deep conversation, played my guitar, and generally had a great night. My girlfriend who is new to taking shrooms had an intense but pleasurable experience. She kept saying things like "everything makes sense now", I wasn't sure what she was referring to, but she later explained that she had some very deep thoughts about her entire life up until now. She took a trip down the timeline of her life from being a child up until now. She says that she learned a lot that night about her life and what her purpose is here on Earth. I was thrilled that she had such a good experience. She felt the mushrooms were teaching her things and showing her things. She wasn't just looking at the pretty colors and trails, which there were plenty of. I believe those things are just a nice side effect of the true mushroom experience.

Anyway back to last night.

The night started off good. I started to feel effects about an hour to hour-and-a-half after consuming. The initial feelings were completely normal and expected. I was energetic, happy, very talkative. I wanted to listen to some music and play my guitar, so I did that. Me and my girlfriend then decided to smoke a small bowl and sit down on the couch and talk. She took 2 grams dry BTW. She wasn't quite at the level I was. My dose contained a few aborts which may have been pretty strong, I dunno. The trip wasn't as visual as last weeks. Instead I noticed much more of a mind-fuck. Thoughts were streaming in and out of my head so fast that I didn't have enough time to process them and get them out. I felt like I had to talk about what I was feeling but I just couldn't make sense of it all.

Now I noticed this time that my girl was being pretty quiet and a little withdrawn. I kept asking her if she felt OK and she kept telling me that she was fine, that she just wasn't feeling very talkative, just felt like thinking quietly to herself. I started to feel upset now. I don't know why. I think it was that I was on one level and she was on another. I began to get quiet too. This is not good for me. I had way too many thoughts going on. None of which I could make sense of. After sitting there on my couch feeling depressed for a while I had enough. It was time to get out of my head and into something else. Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers happened to be on TV so I thought we could watch that and hopefully get sucked in so I wouldn't be in my head so much.

Well that worked a little. Then I began to get emotional. I was feeling sad for the characters in the movie. I have seen this movie several times but this time it really sucked me in. I could sense the despair and it was getting to me, almost to the point where I wanted to cry, even though I knew it's just a movie, Frodo doesn't exist etc.

Well I stopped watching the movie and put on some stand-up comedy. Nice. I was starting to feel a lot better now. Laughter really is the best medicine. So I decided now that I was feeling better and it was time to get stoned and relax. BAD IDEA.

I packed a normal size bowl and topped it with a good amount of kief (spelling) I had sitting around. Fast forward to after the bowl was finished. I was laying on the couch and my heart started to go crazy, beating fast and erratic. I got nervous and called out to my girlfriend. She was on the kitchen floor basically unable to move. She told me that she all of a sudden felt weak in the legs and her stomach started turning so she just laid on the floor.

I felt the same way. I helped her up and she made it to the bathroom where she thought she might puke. I couldn't stand anymore so I just laid on the living room floor thinking bad thoughts in a cold sweat. I was thinking about going to the hospital, getting arrested, death and many more bad things. This is about 6 hours after eating the mushrooms. I think if we hadn't smoked the bowl with the kief then we would have just gone to sleep. After ten minutes of helping her to the bathroom she got up and I asked if she just wanted to go lay down in the bed. She did but she needed me to guide her, saying that everything was coming at her, visually, and she could barely see right in front of her eyes. Her trip was light up until now, according to her.

We both started to feel better after laying in the bed for a little. I expressed to her some of the feelings I had while I was unable to move. I was contemplating getting rid of anything illegal in my possession and stop doing drugs all together. I was feeling very paranoid and unsure about where my life was going. Now mind you that I believe I am pretty successful. I have a nice place, nice car, good family, get paid good money at my job, have an awesome dog that I love to death, overall I am satisfied with my life.

Question: Does it sound like I had a bad trip? Or were the negative, sickly feelings and thoughts caused by the bowl. I think that the kief was a little too much. Weed tends to cause anxiety for me sometimes, but never too bad. Not like this.

Question: Should I go with my gut instinct and remove all illegals in my possession? I was thinking yes.

Question: Has anyone else experienced something similar while taking shrooms and smoking?

I think if I take mushrooms again that I most likely won't smoke any bud or very little. I never thought that six hours after consuming that one bowl would do this to us. I think I had some kind of awakening or something about the power of some good bud and kief. Scary. I been smoking for about 13yrs and have eaten shrooms a dozen or more times. Never was anything like this. BTW Penis Envy are pretty potent compared to what I had before.

Well I have to go. I hope at least one person reads this and has something to say. Any feedback is appreciated. If you can help me make sense of last night that would be great. I am feeling pretty lost and confused right now. I never had a bad trip before. Not even sure if I had one last night. It was just way different than all my previous trips. Thanks for reading.

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: rick0909]
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I've had a similar experience, my first time i took shrooms i took a whole 8th and just had some bight colors, everything seemed really wide and pretty. but i smoked weed and then the racing thoughts kicked in and that was the killer for me, i got to the point where my mind was racing so fast that when i would try to talk it would sound like 5 sentences crammed into one so it was all jumbled and made no sence. i kept questioning what was real and what wasnt, was just very confused about everything... that was one of the worst experiences for me. racing thoughts are definately the worst


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"The world which we perceive is a tiny fraction of the world which we can perceive"

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: rick0909]
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I have started out the same way as you. I was tripping with a friend who was quiet and I am very talkative. Because he was quiet I kept thinking what if he is not happy, what if he is having a bad trip, what will i do to make it better, etc. All of these thoughts were messing with me, luckily my friend just snapped me out of it by telling me i was very antsy and just calm down.

Question 1.
If I were you I would wait a little while to get rid of everything. You might seriously regret it later. I always need a week or two to recover from a trip, I have not had close to a full blown bad trip but i would assume that you would need more time to recover from something like that.

Question 2.
About the smoking thing this is not from my experience but apparently marijuana will make the mushroom trip stronger and if it is already going bad it will go worse.

hope this helps. peace

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: Ram Dass]
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Yeah this is strange to me. I have had so many good times with shrooms, acid, and weed. I really think the first bowl got my mind going crazy. Then when that started to wear off was about when I started to feel better and calm down. The second bowl with the kief was just too much. It greatly intensified the shrooms, even though I thought they were pretty much worn off. I think I just need to sleep it off a little. I am already starting to feel better. Just sucks because I am alone right now. My girlfriend is working until 11 p.m. Thanks for the replies. I am sure everything will be OK. Next time I will just enjoy the shrooms by themselves. Weed seems to cause more of a mind trip and makes me feel uncomfortable.

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: rick0909]
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yeah i think weed causes your mind to go crazy when you smoke it with shrooms.. the last time i tripped i ate an 8th with no weed and i was able to keep a fairly clear head the whole time and was able to enjoy it much more


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"The world which we perceive is a tiny fraction of the world which we can perceive"

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: JDB]
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Sometimes weed can do that even while your not tripping. One time after smoking weed, my heart rate started to increase a lot and I sort of panicked. Nothing happened, but
i kind of freaked out for a few minutes. I can imagine if that happened while tripping, which could easily happen, it would be bad.

However, I have smoked weed on both acid and shrooms, and haven't experienced any negative effects, so it could've been a combination of the mindset, environment, and the weed.


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***** (10:42:46 PM): This is so strange
***** (10:42:53 PM): Becuase I feel that I am very altered
***** (10:42:57 PM): But at the same exact time
***** (10:43:28 PM): I am closer to the real me, the real me who decides who I am, the entire me

Edited by LSDaytripper (04/06/08 10:28 PM)

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Re: WTF Happened?? *DELETED* [Re: LSDaytripper]
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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: ManInTheCorner]
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every time i do shrooms or L i always realize i dont like smoking weed regularly. this doesnt seem to be a popular sentiment among most of the tripping community, but most people that have tripped that i know have felt similarly about weed/alcohol/ecstacy or whatever was their primary drug of choice. so this could just be a reaction to a percieved addiction/habit.

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: Zoroaster]
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one time on 8 hits of lsd all we had to smoke was hash, at one point i chambered a big hit of hash but was trippin so hard i looked up and forgot about the bong and the hit just came out of the bong


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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: icanttype]
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I have always smoked while tripping. Usually a little on the come-up, maybe a little during peak, and almost always on the comedown. I never had a problem. I usually feel that I am wasting my bud by smoking while tripping. Like I could smoke several bowls/doobs and barely notice it. Does anyone know what the THC content in % kief has? This shit was super strong.

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: rick0909]
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First id like to say im at the very same place in my life as you ; good job/fiance/house/degree etc

BUTTTT lately everytime i trip i have intense mind fucks where i dwell on my pot use and illegal lifestyle as well. So, onward.

Question: Does it sound like I had a bad trip? Or were the negative, sickly feelings and thoughts caused by the bowl. I think that the kief was a little too much. Weed tends to cause anxiety for me sometimes, but never too bad. Not like this.

Yes and no, if you never experienced negativity like this on drugs before then i would say indeed you have had what seems like a predominantly "bad trip." But no as well because there is no such thing as a "bad trip" only experiences that the user was not in the right mindset for at the time. I believe had you been prepared to be taken to the level that you were taken to you would have had a myriad of things you were planning to ponder while under the influence - it sounds like you were planning on a recreational trip and you got a full blown visit from the mushroom spirits.


Question: Should I go with my gut instinct and remove all illegals in my possession? I was thinking yes.

Haha i disagree, only if you do sketchy things and truly feel your life/freedom are in jeopardy should you do such a thing. If you're being honest about your life then I'd say go sober for a week then decide.

Question: Has anyone else experienced something similar while taking shrooms and smoking?

Yes absolutely. However I'd say the smoking is more of a random variable then the center of the issue. Obviously smoking herb on any psychedelic increases the level at which you were without herb or THC in your system. When coming down from a plateau smoking herb will also bring you RIGHT BACK to your plateau for a while, especially if its good herb/got keef on it. But one thing i will say is I have experienced heart palpitations more severly when smoking herb/keef combos alone without any other drugs involved; heart palpitations and slight but quick changes in blood pressure can certainly give you the willies when tripping but hear me now and listen to me later; they are not life threatening and will go away within 20 minutes so just try to calm down and take your mind off it when shit like that happens. Just remember that weed causes blood pressure changes and heart palps are a result of this! no biggy, quite common.


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The body binds us to worldy vices. Its disregard will lead to salvation.

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: mandelbrotsets]
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I've got a theory about weed while tripping. After questioning basically the same thing on this board a week or so ago I started thinking and analyzing all of my trips that I could remember. I have smoked weed every time I've ever tripped with the exception of once on acid however it has been various qualities of weed. I believe that if you smoke really really good headies (or maybe just headies in general) it makes you plateau kinda and level off in the state that you're at. This is what I find that I expereince when doing so, however when I smoke beasters or mids even while tripping I get the thought racing and whatnot. Maybe something to think about, can anyone else confirm or deny this notion?

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: rick0909]
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Don't do anything hasty. Just give yourself time to integrate. Sounds like you were initially fighting the trip anyway and smoked some pot to try and help yourself settle into it, but weed often has the opposite effect when tripping.

Just don't use herb when you trip; that is my personal solution.

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: MOTH]
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Agreed. Next trip will be completely smoke free. I made myself feel really paranoid that night, which is why I was contemplating removing all illegals. I learned from that night.

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: MOTH]
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No no no man weed is good while tripping, it calms me down, helps me through.
BUt yea it def. revives a trip & brings you back to peak.
I think its easier with acid, then shrooms, i tend to smoke more after my peak on mushies.
Ive heard smoking pot before dmt though is a waste, unless u use it to help before with anxiety...
Ive found weed to help me launch off for every trip.
Puts me in early psycedelic stages, nuh?

The main thing: do what work for you! thats why were here to experiment! explore! we are adventurers! who cant spell worth a shitt!

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
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For some people weed helps in a trip, but others it does NOT. I don't know what makes a person more predisposed or not to anxiety/paranoia while high, but some people get that way now and then, and some people don't AT ALL. I'm lucky to be in the latter category, as are most of my friends, but if you've ever wigged yourself out on weed you shouldn't smoke it during a trip (especially a tense one). I always smoke weed when I'm tripping, but I've read a lot of trip reports with that pivotal "I started to get scared so I smoked some weed, THEN I WAS IN HELL!" moment.

It's really ironic to me how weed can be so relaxing and lovely in some brains but such fuel for paranoia in others...


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You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (04/16/08 08:15 PM)

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Re: WTF Happened?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Good point Tchan.
I too couldnt imagine tripping without mary.
I used to get really paranoid in my younger ages, and sometimes to some really good shitt.
Sometime my heart races for no reason, just off some swag.

It all depends on set and setting before hand, what mood you are inn, how good of friends you have.. bad un-delt with issues tend to come up during trips.
They force you to work them out.
BUt if your a truly happy person with nothing to fear, they really dont fuck with you.
BUt yeah in high doses they can get overwhelming, but thats diferent than a bad trip.
I guess it depends on the strain too...
alot of things come into play.

But yea its crazy how diff things effect diff people.
hope that helped.

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