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Invisibleianegg
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Negative Salvia experiences.
    #1496065 - 04/26/03 04:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I just sat on the end of my bed and smoked a bowl of x10 Salvia. I didn't trip in the usual sense; something was telling me that my computer was bad, and I should move away (which I can't cos there's a wall in the opposite direction) that the light was bad, so I turned it off, and that my jeans were bad, and they are now around my ankles. This was all communicated by an uncomfortable feeling and accompanied by the faint notion of being in school or some kind of learning situation.

I have had some interesting experiences with Salvia, but they are always accompanied by some annoying effects similar to these, including an uncomfortable sensation round the edges of where my body makes contact with anything. This feeling is often the foundation of my trip - merging fleetingly into whatever I am seeing or experiencing, but grounding me to the notion of my body sitting or laying down, which can spoil the whole experience. Any distractions become irrationally annoying, as if I've just been having an argument with it, but can't remember anything but the feeling of annoyance.

I usually make a point of minimising distractions and getting comfortable, could this be the reason I get annoyed? The feeling where I'm in contact with anything is the most unpleasant side effect, and I was wondering if anybody else has similar experiences, or if anyone knows what I can do to stop them?

Standing up minimises the sensation, but is VERY difficult for the short duration of the trip, and it is totally impossible to get rid of all distractions.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: ianegg]
    #1496952 - 04/27/03 12:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have about 7 grams of 10X from SalviaIsland chilling in my desk, which I'm almost afraid to touch because of my negative salvia experiences. I don't really have the problem of annoyances by coming in contact, but I become annoyed by almost anything and very agitated. I remember yelling at my dogs a couple times just because they were looking at me. It's like everything bothers me. I lose meaning of self for a few seconds, and that's interesting, but the fact that I've never had a vivid trip coupled with the intense agitation (especially around the region of the mouth, which always feels pressurized or completely absent) make salvia almost not seem worth it. I get a bigger kick out of having friends try it to see what they think.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #1497247 - 04/27/03 03:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, all your mass produced crap courtesy of western consumerist civilization is bad. and you needed salvia to figure that out? well, that's what the stuff's good for.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: thestringphish]
    #1497499 - 04/27/03 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Yep, all your mass produced crap courtesy of western consumerist civilization is bad.




I never looked at it that way. I'm going to take my Salvia extract and become a hermit! And maybe some shrooms.

Seriously though, do you think that doing it naked in the middle of nowhere would yeild better results?


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: ianegg]
    #1497643 - 04/27/03 12:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Seriously though, do you think that doing it naked in the middle of nowhere would yeild better results? 
Try it lol, next time get naked, sit in a warm tub of water (add bubbles too  :smirk: ) and then smoke it. Maybe you'll find the water to be more soothing than irritationg.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: chodamunky]
    #1497697 - 04/27/03 12:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, that sucks that you guys get negative effects. The only time anything negative happened to me was when I was w/ afew friends and this girl did salvia for her 1st time and then we were laughing cuz its funny watching someone on it and then when it was over she was trying to tell us what happened but we were laughing too much so she left the room pissed and wouldn't come back so I went and did the salvia and she came back right when I was holding in my 3rd lung full and started getting hit. She started yelling and then my friend that took a bounch of pills and drank started yelling to and they both when up in big red electrical radiating evil energy that was sparking everywhere and spreading everywhere in the room. Luckly I was getting hit hard and I didn't understand enough to get scared and then I closed my eyes and saw this goddess which just looked and me and smiled, I felt so enlightened. Then I opened my eyes and there were all these little mystical beings around flying, kinda like fairys. And I had all this while energy in my and I just let it loose and it contained most of the energy. Besides I was too far beond good and evil at the time hehe.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: DailyPot]
    #1499369 - 04/28/03 01:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i've actually considered becomeing a hermit and just growing tons of shrooms and triping like crazy for a few years until my idea of what reality is has completly shifted, then visit a city and see what it's like, i bet it would be pretty cool i'f i did'nt end up in an institution. I'm still considering it, i just want to get through college first, incase i wuss out after a few months i'll need something to fall back on, you know.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: thestringphish]
    #1499393 - 04/28/03 01:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

but yes, go to a forest, if you have a large national forest were you can really get away, that's even better, get naked, (just make sure it's warm out, and like i said, you really get away) eat 3-4 grams of shrooms, and smoke some x10 at your peak, this will be the perfect setup for an incredible Salvia experience, completley un-adulturated by the unpure things of the city, which just does not mix with powerfull psychedelics. And no matter what happens on your trip, you'll come out of it having learned something incredible. Seriously, you should try this.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: thestringphish]
    #1499900 - 04/28/03 04:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and as always..... be careful :smile:


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1500536 - 04/28/03 01:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i bought some salvia 15x extract recently and tried it 3 times, each time increasing the amt. of salvia 15x in my bowl/bong and i didn't get any results. my cheeks got a little numb...but that was it. im mailing whats left in my vile to someone else on this site because i was gonna throw it away anyway. maybe it will be more use to them.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: peetee32]
    #1500906 - 04/28/03 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

lol
Thats a nice idea thestringphish. You'll probably readdapt to society real quickly even if you're away for years tripping hehe. Especially since you're already like 20. But hey, if you really wanna do it and you find a place give me a call and I'll join you :wink:


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: DailyPot]
    #1502884 - 04/29/03 01:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i've already got a few places in mind, like i said, i just wanna finish school first.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: thestringphish]
    #1506515 - 04/30/03 02:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It reminds me of the emotional experience of watching a good horror film. It is creepy but interesting and sometimes scarry at least for me. I also have not broken threw yet.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: hawk]
    #1506587 - 04/30/03 03:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How do Salvia visuals compare to shrooms? Do you get patterns and fractals?


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: ]
    #1507322 - 04/30/03 12:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe doing it on top of a mountain around the Lake District would be good... It's difficult to really get away in England. Or maybe I just haven't explored enough?


When I've tripped with Salvia in the past, I've found the visuals to be very abstract, more because of the way you trip - my leg WAS reality, and if I moved to a different angle then maybe I could see all of time... nope, it was just the other side of my leg. The visuals during the trip are extremely vivid, as is every other sense, though fleeting - I often forget the whole thing. If I go to sleep afterwards, I get presented with some very nice hypnagogic patterns and fractals, but not during the trip.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: ]
    #1507484 - 04/30/03 02:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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How do Salvia visuals compare to shrooms? Do you get patterns and fractals?




Salvia is completely different from shrooms. If you get a strong, vivid trip with salvia, it's almost just like you're being thrown into a dream. It effects people differently, though and you'll get some weird side effect feelings that you may or may not like.



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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #1508084 - 04/30/03 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It only last awhile. Salvia is not the same as shroom trip. This messes w/ ur head worse and gives less visuals. Its great for ego loss.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: DailyPot]
    #1508234 - 04/30/03 05:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Stringphish, have you read a book by Patrick Suskind called 'Perfume'? The main character Jean-Baptiste leads a lifestyle like the one you're planning on converting to. Interesting, well written book.

Quote Dailypot: "This messes w/ ur head"

At the start it does DailyPot, but I always insist on this: You have to ride out the rough couple of Salvia Journeys which most first timers get when starting out with Salvia Divinorum, oh and have patience. One day, you'll find yourself able to keep calm and enjoy the Salvia journey and teleport yourself to some amazing places. (In your mind).


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: Nirvana]
    #1508275 - 04/30/03 05:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Salvia is just a negative drug in general. The trip is kind of cool but it is always accompanied by a feeling of uneasiness or uncomfortability.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: SubliminalTrip22]
    #1508536 - 04/30/03 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't mean it messes w/ your head in a bad way. I just ment it affects you alot more than shrooms does. I dont feel salvia is a negative drug, I never get an type of bad feeling afterwards.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: DailyPot]
    #1509954 - 05/01/03 02:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i've never felt uncomfortable on salvia or afterwards. A little strange, but that's to be expected. Once i did it in my backyard around mid day and after going to a strange cartoon world where the puffs of smoke i let out became swinging wooden faces i got up and felt a sense of joy comparible only to what you feel on mushrooms(not saying the trips are anything alike, but the joy i felt is something i've only experienced on mushrooms any other time) and started hugging all the tree's in the yard and telling them how much i love them. I had to rational thought going throuhg my head as to why i should be doing this, it was just like instinct, it was what needed to be done. And i then realized all plants are as alive and consciouss as you and me. I'm just glad i was'nt in the front yard, the neighbors would have shit themselves. Certainly not what happens with any type of "negative drug" is it?

No i've never read the book, but it sounds cool. is it fiction or a true story?


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: thestringphish]
    #1510252 - 05/01/03 03:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My salvia experiences have kind of transcended negative and positive.. its WILDLY neutral (addition:) for me


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1510479 - 05/01/03 06:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I can relate to that. When I'm tripping hard on Salvia there doesn't seem to be a positive or a negative. The whole idea of positive negative just doesn't exist anymore.
When I come out of it I usually feel very good, but the whole trip seems to get locked away in a part of my brain that I can't acces when I'm sober. I can recall the theme of the trip and a bit of the feeling. But I can never really remember the trip. That is untill I do salvia again, and then in the beginning I'm like; "now I remember how it was". Then after that feeling I usually experience a whole new trip that's not much like previous trips.
I've never had a bad trip yet, but I believe it could be possible on higher doses. I've seen a friend have one.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: cybrbeast]
    #1513626 - 05/02/03 02:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i know what you mean, my breakthrough experience with salvia was my second attempt at smoking it, and after a few hits i saw an old indian woman in the corner of my room telling my to put the pipe down, and now whenever i trip, i always seem to tell myself "she's here" as soon as it comes on. I havent seen her since that first trip, but it's that "now I remember how it was" reaction that makes me do it i guess. Feels like i've been there before and am returning after being gone for so long. Or something like that.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: cybrbeast]
    #1516619 - 05/03/03 03:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

lol you bring up a great point....

for me, whenever I take salvia or a psychedelic (I just FINALLY noticed this last trip), I'll realize something really awesome, think about writing it down or drawing something to remind me, then I'll think "you can remember this man.. no need to write it down or start ranting and raving." For some reason every time I've fooled myself into believing that I'll be able to remember certain things that I totally can't remember after the trip..

I don't think I could write on a hefty dose of salvia extract, but I'm going to possibly have a pad and pen or a tape-recorder handy for my next shroom trip, and try to focus on at least getting down some keywords of some of the stuff..


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1516845 - 05/03/03 04:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

every time i have tried to write stuff down while tripping the words are all over the page, and while i have putt down some incredible stuff that i otherwise would have lost, it totally takes away from the experience in general. it is complete insanity to try to convey information onto a piece of paper while it is being conveyed to you. You just cant keep up with the rate of thought.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: DailyPot]
    #1524067 - 05/06/03 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

salvia threw me into a dream world in which i felt i had a mission to hold it in (my breath from the last hit of the bong) and the longer i held it it, the higher up through this giant tube i kept going, flying higher and higher, past all of the rings of people throughout the tube that were waiting to catch me if i failed. as i let out my breath i was at the top with someone who put their arm around me and laughed with me at the people in the tube who couldnt get me! i came out of the experience laughing harder than i ever have, only to find that i had poured bong water in my shoe and was dribbling all over myself....was definatly worth it though!! (and this wasnt even extract!! i had about 8 hits, holding each in for about 20 seconds, blowing out, hitting again, not breathing in between)


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: LiBerAtedCapSter]
    #1525073 - 05/06/03 06:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Let me focus on one aspect of my few experiences... GRAVITY! I was standing on my lawn and felt an incredible pull from this one particular bush. I couldn't stand still. I kept losing my balance and falling horizontally towards the bush. It was quite cool.

My friend said my head turned into one of those lego guy's heads.

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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: Great Scott]
    #1525483 - 05/06/03 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

All I can say is that salvia is an entity to me. And it does not like any of the modern technocratic world we have formed. You have to take it back to the essence, back to nature.

The times I was under a really heavy influence of salvia I was outside, and it was almost as if the trees were alive, and a feeling of the presence of metaphysical conscious beings were also with me. But I just felt neutral about the whole thing.

'thestringphish', what you are describing is nothing new, and I am glad more people have similair feelings about our modern society. I also have entertained this idea seriously in my head. Buddhists and taoists have been doing this for centuries to escape the corrupt desires of our modern society today. Many philosophers aswell. Lao Tzu a famous Chinese taoist priest/philosopher described it as the only way to 'get back to the essence' the eternal consciousness that just is, by connecting with nature. I've always wanted to walk on foot around Mexico or Cambodia and meet spiritual people in the smaller villages to connect with and expand my consciousness, surviving on my own all the while.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: Great Scott]
    #1526698 - 05/07/03 03:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah I've gotten some strange gravitational/pressurized effects


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: Great Scott]
    #1527578 - 05/07/03 03:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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My friend said my head turned into one of those lego guy's heads.




HAHAHAHAHA. I have a friend who said not only that about everyone in the room, but everything else also appeared to be made of legos.


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #1527950 - 05/07/03 04:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's funny you should mention LEGO's ... I have a friend that smoked some over here yesterday and said that it was like everything was made out of lego's.  He said he was going through a tunnel and the walls and everything was made from lego's.  :wink:

I've personally had one trip that was like looking at reality from the outside and it was made up of little pieces but it was like a giant round rubiks cube looking ball thing!    :shocked:  Very trippy stuff!

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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: TekNut]
    #1530111 - 05/08/03 08:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys, figured ill post my Salvia experience here.
Iv done it plenty of times (like 6-7) but this is the experience that sticks out the most:

Me and my flat mate/trip mate had purchased one vial of leafs and one vial with 1 gram of the 10x extract. This is about the 3rd time we smoke Salvia. As usual we start by smoking the leaves until they are out, passing the bong between us taking a bowl each. I dont know if this works properly but in OUR experience it seems to be necessary to smoke the leaves for a bit first to sort of build up the Salvitorin in your body.

Anyway, its time to smoke the extract, we had decided to try a new thing this time where we would one at a time smoke the Salvia in our bedroom with complete silence and darkness.

We go into the bedroom and i load up a bowl, my trip mate sits ready to catch the bong when i pass out.

I take a deep hit (almost the entire bowl) and hold it down for about 10 seconds. Slowly exhale and as i exhale i can feel myself getting sort pressed down into the bed, my head just begins falling backwards like if an enourmous power pushes it down.
My friend at this stage leaves the room, but i get stuck in a sort of room where i over and over see him taking the bowl and backing towards the door, i see this atleast 3 or 4 times and i remember trying to speak to him but its like my vocal chords have become completely paralyzed. The last 'normal' thought passing through my mind is: Oh my god this is to strong, to strong and this is the message i try to convey to my friend (who isnt even in the room anymore). Suddenly my friend is replaced by my dad (in the exact same position and movement though) and i suddenly notice that i am in my child hood room in Sweden, not in this shitty apartment in Dublin anymore.
]I see my dad standing by the door and saying "sleep well" before leaving and closing the door.

Once the door closes i realize im floating freely in a completely pitch black space. There is nothing under me (i felt with my hands but there was nothing there) im not sitting anymore, im floating...
At this stage i completely panic and with a final conscious thought i throw myself towards the door and manage to open it up and let in light, and as most people who have tried Salvia knows, any sort of change in the environment (light change, music change, change of position etc) will sort of "break the magic spell" and i begin snapping out of it. My friend comes to the door and im standing on my knees infront of him and when looking on him ... He is looking completely normal and solid, but the scary thing is that the things AROUND him is just ... i cant describe it ... Its like the entire physical reality, the door frame, the wall behind him etc is transformed into an animated fractal pattern, its spinning and jumping and zooming in and out and i just stand there looking withotu saying a word for about 5 minutes before these INTENSE hallucinations begin to withdraw...

It was an extremely extremely intense experience and i only wish i would have had the guts to go with the flow all the way through ....


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Re: Negative Salvia experiences. [Re: matt_visionary]
    #1531105 - 05/08/03 04:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Matt, that's a very good description of coming on to Salvia. I don't think I've tripped quite that hard. I've never experienced anything like past lives or past current life, but I've had incredible visuals and feelings of existing outside myself (one trip I was part of a paper strawberry container one moment and the tailgate of an old pickup the next). The part about experiencing a brief moment repeatedly really struck me as very familiar. Almost a momentary skipping record experience. On good doses, I am usually aware of a feminine presence.

For people having trouble breaking through, try to anticipate the trip, relax, and more than just letting it happen, focus on the effects and try to encourage or welcome the trip. There is nothing to fear, just lay back and enjoy the journey. Fighting it will to some extent lessen the trip's intensity, but it will also create/increase the anxiety and cause lingering bad feelings afterwards.





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