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raw spiritual rambling
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I was thinking about how, when immersed in the mundane world, even the most complex choices are conditioned reflexes.
Another word for it is sleepwalking.

In another threads people have been attempting to suggest what they think spirituality or spiritual endeavor involves.

I have been tempted, more than tempted, to illustrate that the non-spiritual life is mechanical, which is also referred to as earth bound. While the spiritual life transcends the mechanical, and that metaphorically translates as heaven oriented.

Naturally such metaphors are tremendously abused by people immersed in the mundane world attempting to appear spiritual

The question then seems to be how to rise above one’s conditioning long enough to take a clear peek at some issue, and then make some kind of choice that is related to increasing spiritual interests rather than more mechanical choice making for personal profit/karma style sleepwalking.

This ties in a lot to the ideas of karma altogether, i.e. the idea of a chain of events being “destined” or preconditioned.

This is especially so when one is steering by all one’s past experience or being steered by previous actions. It is so confining. Yet the “awakened” or spiritual opportunity is to transcend the grind for a moment or two, and stick a finger in the dyke


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
and stick a finger in the dyke


:rofl2:

Whatever floats your boat dude. :smirk:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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good point, i think you simply have to be in that "state of ethereal contact" as often as possible.

unless while you were transcendant, you could make some sort of....Zordoscope, a dial in which holds various cosmic alternatives for any choice making situation, and so ones spins the zordoscope and thusly dissolves the average decision making process and implants one both governed by realities "chance'" and the steering of the higher mindedness

am I talking about a more significant 8-ball?


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: fireworks_god]
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Spirituality can be earth bound; it can be 100% earth bound. I don't think there has to be anything transcendental about it. But I'll save that for my other thread!

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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I threw a monkey wrench at the butch.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: backfromthedead]
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perhaps ones mind must be eternally in a state of looseness, so that even if they are in sleepwalker's state, they are still reassembling all of thier internalities.
So that guy rambling on the street, genius.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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Do I smell a tad bit of aversion, rgv? :tongue2:

The problem with an open public philosophy forum is it doesn't go anywhere.

You got the nihilists arguing with the existentialists arguing with the eternalists. Mix that in with inconsistency, delusion, misnomers, and emotional projecting and bam; here we are.

I think the problem is mostly word choice. Using loosely understood concepts like "spirit" , "soul" , "ego" , "enlightenment" you need skeptical investigators to help you refine your understanding and keep ignorance at bay. Otherwise we run into the obstacle of taking ourselves too seriously.


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my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: psyka]
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what more than an infinity of time has coalesced to create in our minds we attempt to disassemble and define in under an hour before dinnertime

edit: with a vocabulary of 5 words.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: klimt]
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klimt said:
Spirituality can be earth bound; it can be 100% earth bound. I don't think there has to be anything transcendental about it. But I'll save that for my other thread!


I agree with this totally,
I tried to be clear that the terms earthbound vs heaven oriented
relate to mechanical or enchained behavior vs spiritual or liberated behavior.

and those terms are not really better
Usually people take the term liberated as a stand alone meaning any type of unlimited behavior possible,
while in this case I mean it to only suggest not being chained by conditioning for all decisions.

to get unchained, you need a little time out of the stream of conditioned reflex continuum.

and that is where I believe meditation comes in.

as a spiritual activity, or non mechanical oriented behavior - which paradoxically is a practice,
but it is practice oriented to pausing the automatic mind,
and getting a peek at things from a less automatic point of view.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: psyka]
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i am not using my aversion cologne today

all the same, I think that "noticing" is a very spiritual endeavor, and you have noticed correctly that the members of this kareoke club have different voices and different songs to sing.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
redgreenvines said:
and stick a finger in the dyke


:rofl2:

Whatever floats your boat dude. :smirk:


I was hoping someone would smell that one


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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earth bound is an awesome spiritual experience of a video game and deals with zombies,cults,street gangs,telepathic people,colorful stuff,magic healers,space aliens and magic mushrooms


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: raw spiritual rambling *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: redgreenvines]
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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: thedudenj]
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The soundtrack from earthbound is amazing.
Keiichi Suzuki, the alleged composer, claims he was influenced heavily by John Lennon.

Who here notices connections of john lennon in earthbound's music?



I attempted to play earthbound on LSD, but found it diversional/uninteresting.



Am I rambling?


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: krin]
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i know im a awake cause i have slept walked before and functioned in that state to the point people didnt know i was. as well as gone places in trance and dream before going there physically its rather groovy


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: dorkus]
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dorkus said:
How can we tell when we are awake? Do you find it very obvious?


it is not obvious to everyone around.
but it will be obvious to the person him/or her/self.
the awareness of body and mind in situations is what helps to bring wakefulness on so that each simmilar thing is not treated as the same.
which is the essence of going through life asleep (hence being very repetitive).
this is something the inexperienced find natural.
it is why children are considered awake.
to have the eyes of a child, is to see things fresh, not masked over by what things are simmilar to.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: dorkus]
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dorkus said:
How can we tell when we are awake? Do you find it very obvious?


There are five hindrances: anger, doubt, desire to please senses, sloth, and restlessness. These are properties of delusion (beliefs stemming from the concept of a self) and being lucid (awake) is the opposite of delusion (asleep). So when those five hindrances can no longer arise, you are said to be in a state of enlightenment.

Anger is the easiest to let go of, and restlessness takes considerably more effort.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

Edited by psyka (04/11/08 05:49 AM)

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: klimt]
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Quote:
good point, i think you simply have to be in that "state of ethereal contact" as often as possible.

unless while you were transcendant, you could make some sort of....Zordoscope, a dial in which holds various cosmic alternatives for any choice making situation, and so ones spins the zordoscope and thusly dissolves the average decision making process and implants one both governed by realities "chance'" and the steering of the higher mindedness

am I talking about a more significant 8-ball?


That's a cool idea.

A situational divining rod. That would sell well.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
I was thinking about how, when immersed in the mundane world, even the most complex choices are conditioned reflexes.
Another word for it is sleepwalking.

In another threads people have been attempting to suggest what they think spirituality or spiritual endeavor involves.

I have been tempted, more than tempted, to illustrate that the non-spiritual life is mechanical, which is also referred to as earth bound. While the spiritual life transcends the mechanical, and that metaphorically translates as heaven oriented.

Naturally such metaphors are tremendously abused by people immersed in the mundane world attempting to appear spiritual

The question then seems to be how to rise above one’s conditioning long enough to take a clear peek at some issue, and then make some kind of choice that is related to increasing spiritual interests rather than more mechanical choice making for personal profit/karma style sleepwalking.

This ties in a lot to the ideas of karma altogether, i.e. the idea of a chain of events being “destined” or preconditioned.

This is especially so when one is steering by all one’s past experience or being steered by previous actions. It is so confining. Yet the “awakened” or spiritual opportunity is to transcend the grind for a moment or two, and stick a finger in the dyke


the non-spiritual life is mechanical, which is also referred to as earth bound. While the spiritual life transcends the mechanical, and that metaphorically translates as heaven oriented.

depends on what you mean by mechanical? A native on the trail hunting is by no means sleep walking. His senses are alive and alert to everything except maybe his internal dialog. So is he being spiritual? If your answer is yes then I think we have a decent working definition of spiritual. Being awake to the experience of being alive, what ever that may be.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Icelander]
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yes that person is clearly practicing awareness.
everything is being appreciated as fresh instead of as "OK like before" or "NotOK different".

seeing things fresh makes him unmechanical.

it forces perception to a lower priority than observation.
the mechanical part is perception.
if something is perceived, recognized and slotted, it is being dealt with automatically. (mechanically)

lowering the priority of perception to less important than awareness, but keeping it operating - so you can still proceed with your business (walking etc.) is the very essence of being awake.

this is really not too easy unless you are aware of the process of perception itself.

another way to see what perception is:
children have less of it than adults,
it is the mapping of the world to experience.

another way to differentiate between sleep walking and wakefulness is:
are you walking in a map of the world, or are you walking in the physically sensed world.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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are you walking in a map of the world, or are you walking in the physically sensed world.

This has been much on my mind lately. The quest for spirit may be no more than an attempt to shed the strangle hold of the internal dialog, paying attention to everyday life rather than a pie in the sky spirituality. A practical yet nearly unattainable task for most. As evidence of this we can see the convoluted directions the idea of spirituality goes, caught once again in the mental gymnastics of the internal dialog.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
The quest for spirit may be no more than an attempt to shed the strangle hold of the internal dialog, paying attention to everyday life rather than a pie in the sky spirituality. A practical yet nearly unattainable task for most. As evidence of this we can see the convoluted directions the idea of spirituality goes, caught once again in the mental gymnastics of the internal dialog.


Whose idea of spirituality are you talking about?


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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yours


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Icelander]
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I think it's yours


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
are you walking in a map of the world, or are you walking in the physically sensed world.

This has been much on my mind lately. The quest for spirit may be no more than an attempt to shed the strangle hold of the internal dialog, paying attention to everyday life rather than a pie in the sky spirituality. A practical yet nearly unattainable task for most. As evidence of this we can see the convoluted directions the idea of spirituality goes, caught once again in the mental gymnastics of the internal dialog.


sort of
but it's not the dialog that is really the problem -
when it loops,
however,
and this is most easily noticed of all mechanical mental behaviors,
it brings to light that some reflex mechanism is underlying the sleep walking,
and noticing that is part of getting beyond it.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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Noticing that you have temporarily ceased to notice?  :wink:

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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I think it's more than just the loops. It's a misconception of the importance of thought in relationship to reality. We consider thought to be objective evidence of the importance of thinking or we think that things are this or that just because we think that.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Icelander]
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You always have a cool hand, luke.


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A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: allisthesame]
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thoughts are dancing ghosts that fool eachother into believing they are dancing well.

are the ghosts even there, or are they just terrible dancers?


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Icelander]
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yes thought
recognition
perception
associative mental operations can take a second position to your alertness


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
Noticing that you have temporarily ceased to notice?  :wink:
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this is the part where practicing roles is good.

you notice that you ceased noticing, and come back to noticing without harshness.

handing off from one mind moment to the next as a gentle parent does; and continuing in the next with a child's freshness.

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: krin]
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krin said:
thoughts are dancing ghosts that fool eachother into believing they are dancing well.

are the ghosts even there, or are they just terrible dancers?


not all ghosts are thoughts and not all thoughts are ghosts.
but all are "emanations" or artifacts of the ongoing dance.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:

not all ghosts are thoughts and not all thoughts are ghosts.
but all are "emanations" or artifacts of the ongoing dance.


Germans have a word, "Geist" which is pretty much a combination of the two English words "Spirit" and "Ghost.

A major character in the New Testament is known as the Holy Ghost in Old English and as the Holy Spirit in modern English... in German they've always used Geist... ever since Luther translated the Latin Text.

"Poltergeist" is the only English word I can think of that makes use of this distinction. And thanks to the movie of the same name, many Americans sorta' understand the concept of a "Geist".

Using the word "Ghost" in y'all's context can be misleading... but I suppose it is the best word we've got.

"Awareness" is another pickle. It is by my standards, a pretty good definition for "Spirituality"... it keeps the "Spirit" grounded in reality. However, that word too, can be quite misleading... and sometimes can reinforce negative attitudes and behaviors. Everybody thinks they are aware. It a is good word, but not quite perfect. Again, other languages are more nuanced than ours. "Awareness" is perhaps the best SINGLE word to define "Spirituality"... but to properly define the word, you really need to explain a bit more. Not everything is spiritual... but YOUR perception of everything IS spiritual.

"Mechanical" is a vague word, and it does not properly convey the point you wish to make. It has a very negative connotation, what conveyed towards other humans. "Hey, stop being mechanical!". You are not going to make a point to someone, when you are calling them a robot. It strikes people as rude. But again, the point you are making is certainly valid.

Translated Buddhist texts are NOT the best way to explain these concepts to Westerners. The translations talk in metaphors... just like the Bible... and the the way the concepts are explained are often quite outdated. This leads to much confusion.

Westerners use inaccurate labels for many of these Eastern concepts... because that is how they were translated... and taught to our audience. Since the 60's this lingo has done no more good than it has done harm. Most students and teachers aren't effective enough communicators to express these concepts and ideas properly... and they ultimately end up confusing more people than they help.

Westerners are inclined to cling to their ideologies... because it is the Judeo-Christian way... so they far too often forget to TRANSCEND these Eastern concepts.

Buddhism is something that must ultimately be transcended... that is the goal... SO one the KEY thing one must do... is WORK THROUGH BUDDHISM... and TRANSCEND it.

The philosophy of Buddhism acknowledges that you must move BEYOND it.. in order to practice it properly.

Westerners forget to MOVE THROUGH these Eastern concepts... and they far too often cling to these concepts instead of letting them go... just like a Christian Fundamentalist tends to cling to theirs.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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that was very well thought out cervantes


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Rose]
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Quote:
Westerners forget to MOVE THROUGH these Eastern concepts... and they far too often cling to these concepts instead of letting them go... just like a Christian Fundamentalist tends to cling to theirs.


No matter how well we've memorized the steps, the fact that we are still counting under our breath & sneaking glances towards our feet keeps giving us away.

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Veritas]
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that and the epicanthic folds


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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The frequent glances at our feet actually makes their absence less noticeable.  :lol:

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Veritas]
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you have magic glances
when you make absent
feet pleasant


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Re: raw spiritual rambling *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
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Edited by dorkus (04/13/08 12:03 AM)

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Veritas]
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No matter how well we've memorized the steps, the fact that we are still counting under our breath & sneaking glances towards our feet keeps giving us away.



Are you trying to say that if we memorized them without looking down and counting we'd be home free in the transcendence department? Or does transcendence require an absence of memorization altogether as well?


Sometimes I think that the presence of constant mental/emotional insecurity in my life results in me being "awake". I question my motives and my beliefs, as well as those of the people and systems around me, in a constant search for a "solution" or "truth" or a formula and action plan for what "works" in the universe. One of the five hindrances, "restlessness", is very much a part of my life, and I notice it every day, but the questioning and searching don't stop. The discomfort of my need for "solutions" is always there.

Is discomfort required for a spiritual journey or search?


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Jiddu Krishnamurti

"That's a marvelous structural technique of propaganda... It is only in folk tales, children's stories, and the journals of intellectual opinion that power is used wisely and well to destroy evil. The real world teaches very different lessons, and it takes willful and dedicated ignorance to fail to perceive them.”
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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: dorkus]
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dorkus said:
Maybe I misunderstand you here, but wouldn't counting the breath be a good way to stay centered? I sometimes let there be counting and at the same time concentrate on listening to the counts, coming from that empty field that the counting fills... And when I succeed it definitely feels like going deep.


Yeah.... you definitely misunderstood her.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: fireworks_god]
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I think we need to really understand fewer things.
we can express something in passing that carries wit meaning and innuendo, but the stuff that is valuable is not witty.

the stealing of glances is a great phrase for little flashes of fleeting enlightenment.

but I would totally avoid getting a brain cramp about the feet getting lost unless you have a lot of weight reduction planned.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
I think we need to really understand fewer things.
we can express something in passing that carries wit meaning and innuendo, but the stuff that is valuable is not witty.




I agree, wit & understanding are attachments of the mind, concepts. Ive found the only way to free the mind, is to be free of the mind. The mind can capture great insights & understanding & wit, yet they pass, abiding in the place where all arises & passes is transcending the minds attachments, then true understanding comes from that place where you watch without judgement or attachment. So in a way true understanding is not trying to understand, seeing things for what they are not what you already "understand" them to be.

Interpretation ruins everything when concerned with inner peace, the mind trys to interpret and place things in neat little boxes for future reference.

Throwing everything away is the easiest way to awakening imo, even if you find some amazing truth in meditation just throw it away, even the most blissfull joy of orgasmic ecstacy, stay as the watcher of even that...

:peace:


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Walk this waay... [Re: redgreenvines]
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yes and no;
when you say "be free of the mind", you are being witty.
this wittiness points to self and mind as separate.

mind and self are not separate, so an adjustment towards simpler meaning is
"be free in mind"

this approach intends that there be peace instead of apprehension upon noticing:
more than half of what is noticed is secondary mental artifacts.

who can really say that the sense of self is not a bunch of secondary mental artifacts.(<- unnecessary witty comment)


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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: redgreenvines]
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i think we gotta let go of the half of us that wants to learn everything towards letting our other half go unknown without expecting to talk about these unknown things with other people...we gotta remember the half's that made us whole, it doesn't matter what order

me and you were born on this earth together, you can change me but I can't change you


if you feel like any sort of conflict between humans is too much and impossible to deal with you'll be happy to know the rest of the world feels the same


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I have considered such matters.

SIKE

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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I am not sure what you are getting at.
being as a child or as a student is excellent.

but the idea about conflict kind of rings true except for vikings and wolves in sheeps' clothing.


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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: redgreenvines]
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hmmmmm...i mean to say we stop making sense when making sense is not necessary

i can try to show you your mind and its process of contemplation by saying things that are not necessary that aren't supposed to make sense

i gotta put 1 million nails in 1 million coffins

because today, men are no longer men


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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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the simple fact is god doesn't expect us to be this stupid and ignorant


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I have considered such matters.

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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Then live up to his expectations and spare us all.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: fireworks_god]
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i can't do that without insulting you first...right?


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I have considered such matters.

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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You insulted the entire Shroomery :sad:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: MushroomTrip]
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what did I do?


if we want gods grace surely our love for cute and fuzzy things must go first


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I have considered such matters.

SIKE

Edited by Cherk (04/13/08 12:40 PM)

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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cherokee said:
hmmmmm...i mean to say we stop making sense when making sense is not necessary

i can try to show you your mind and its process of contemplation by saying things that are not necessary that aren't supposed to make sense

i gotta put 1 million nails in 1 million coffins

because today, men are no longer men


:crazy2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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cherokee said:
the simple fact is god doesn't expect us to be this stupid and ignorant


:monkeydance: And you know what "God" expects how?

IMO your post is evidence that your post is invalid.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Icelander]
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i talk to god


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I have considered such matters.

SIKE

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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yes I know but meds are available if one chooses to get better.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Icelander]
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:lovemeds:


:popcorn:


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: Cherk]
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it's ok to talk to god,
it gets strange when god talks back to you
but it gets even stranger if that gives you the right to be a bully.
(spanish inquisition time was a really good example of this working really badly)


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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: redgreenvines]
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yeah


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I have considered such matters.

SIKE

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: redgreenvines]
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"It's ok to talk to RGV."


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Walk this waay... *DELETED* [Re: Cherk]
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Post deleted by dorkus

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: dorkus]
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it's been a couple of hundred years since we canadians burned down the white house.
cute and fuzzy is part of the costume here.


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Re: Walk this waay... *DELETED* [Re: redgreenvines]
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Post deleted by dorkus

Reason for deletion: .

Edited by dorkus (04/13/08 03:26 PM)

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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: dorkus]
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right beowolf
very steeped.


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Re: Walk this waay... [Re: redgreenvines]
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'it gets strange when god talks back to you'

Stranger yet when the God that you have come to know takes on the sound of an audience.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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Most of our actions and thoughts are merely habits.  To stop and become aware of this is a great leap forward, spritually, IMO.

:mushroom2:

The Rev


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I AM ØRIGIN

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: The Rev]
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The Rev said:
Most of our actions and thoughts are merely habits.  To stop and become aware of this is a great leap forward, spritually, IMO.

:mushroom2:

The Rev


yeah my friend does alot of things shes unaware of an i slowly make her aware tho personaly i think she was purposly unaware so she doesnt feel bad about being an evil bitch at times


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: thedudenj]
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Denial is not without its upside (at least, in the short term).

:mushroom2:

The Rev


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I AM ØRIGIN

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