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raw spiritual rambling
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I was thinking about how, when immersed in the mundane world, even the most complex choices are conditioned reflexes.
Another word for it is sleepwalking.

In another threads people have been attempting to suggest what they think spirituality or spiritual endeavor involves.

I have been tempted, more than tempted, to illustrate that the non-spiritual life is mechanical, which is also referred to as earth bound. While the spiritual life transcends the mechanical, and that metaphorically translates as heaven oriented.

Naturally such metaphors are tremendously abused by people immersed in the mundane world attempting to appear spiritual

The question then seems to be how to rise above one’s conditioning long enough to take a clear peek at some issue, and then make some kind of choice that is related to increasing spiritual interests rather than more mechanical choice making for personal profit/karma style sleepwalking.

This ties in a lot to the ideas of karma altogether, i.e. the idea of a chain of events being “destined” or preconditioned.

This is especially so when one is steering by all one’s past experience or being steered by previous actions. It is so confining. Yet the “awakened” or spiritual opportunity is to transcend the grind for a moment or two, and stick a finger in the dyke


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
and stick a finger in the dyke


:rofl2:

Whatever floats your boat dude. :smirk:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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good point, i think you simply have to be in that "state of ethereal contact" as often as possible.

unless while you were transcendant, you could make some sort of....Zordoscope, a dial in which holds various cosmic alternatives for any choice making situation, and so ones spins the zordoscope and thusly dissolves the average decision making process and implants one both governed by realities "chance'" and the steering of the higher mindedness

am I talking about a more significant 8-ball?


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: fireworks_god]
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Spirituality can be earth bound; it can be 100% earth bound. I don't think there has to be anything transcendental about it. But I'll save that for my other thread!

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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I threw a monkey wrench at the butch.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: backfromthedead]
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perhaps ones mind must be eternally in a state of looseness, so that even if they are in sleepwalker's state, they are still reassembling all of thier internalities.
So that guy rambling on the street, genius.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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Do I smell a tad bit of aversion, rgv? :tongue2:

The problem with an open public philosophy forum is it doesn't go anywhere.

You got the nihilists arguing with the existentialists arguing with the eternalists. Mix that in with inconsistency, delusion, misnomers, and emotional projecting and bam; here we are.

I think the problem is mostly word choice. Using loosely understood concepts like "spirit" , "soul" , "ego" , "enlightenment" you need skeptical investigators to help you refine your understanding and keep ignorance at bay. Otherwise we run into the obstacle of taking ourselves too seriously.


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my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: psyka]
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what more than an infinity of time has coalesced to create in our minds we attempt to disassemble and define in under an hour before dinnertime

edit: with a vocabulary of 5 words.


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Edited by krin (04/10/08 06:16 PM)

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: klimt]
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klimt said:
Spirituality can be earth bound; it can be 100% earth bound. I don't think there has to be anything transcendental about it. But I'll save that for my other thread!


I agree with this totally,
I tried to be clear that the terms earthbound vs heaven oriented
relate to mechanical or enchained behavior vs spiritual or liberated behavior.

and those terms are not really better
Usually people take the term liberated as a stand alone meaning any type of unlimited behavior possible,
while in this case I mean it to only suggest not being chained by conditioning for all decisions.

to get unchained, you need a little time out of the stream of conditioned reflex continuum.

and that is where I believe meditation comes in.

as a spiritual activity, or non mechanical oriented behavior - which paradoxically is a practice,
but it is practice oriented to pausing the automatic mind,
and getting a peek at things from a less automatic point of view.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: psyka]
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i am not using my aversion cologne today

all the same, I think that "noticing" is a very spiritual endeavor, and you have noticed correctly that the members of this kareoke club have different voices and different songs to sing.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
redgreenvines said:
and stick a finger in the dyke


:rofl2:

Whatever floats your boat dude. :smirk:


I was hoping someone would smell that one


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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earth bound is an awesome spiritual experience of a video game and deals with zombies,cults,street gangs,telepathic people,colorful stuff,magic healers,space aliens and magic mushrooms


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: thedudenj]
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The soundtrack from earthbound is amazing.
Keiichi Suzuki, the alleged composer, claims he was influenced heavily by John Lennon.

Who here notices connections of john lennon in earthbound's music?



I attempted to play earthbound on LSD, but found it diversional/uninteresting.



Am I rambling?


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: krin]
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i know im a awake cause i have slept walked before and functioned in that state to the point people didnt know i was. as well as gone places in trance and dream before going there physically its rather groovy


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: dorkus]
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dorkus said:
How can we tell when we are awake? Do you find it very obvious?


it is not obvious to everyone around.
but it will be obvious to the person him/or her/self.
the awareness of body and mind in situations is what helps to bring wakefulness on so that each simmilar thing is not treated as the same.
which is the essence of going through life asleep (hence being very repetitive).
this is something the inexperienced find natural.
it is why children are considered awake.
to have the eyes of a child, is to see things fresh, not masked over by what things are simmilar to.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: dorkus]
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dorkus said:
How can we tell when we are awake? Do you find it very obvious?


There are five hindrances: anger, doubt, desire to please senses, sloth, and restlessness. These are properties of delusion (beliefs stemming from the concept of a self) and being lucid (awake) is the opposite of delusion (asleep). So when those five hindrances can no longer arise, you are said to be in a state of enlightenment.

Anger is the easiest to let go of, and restlessness takes considerably more effort.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

Edited by psyka (04/11/08 05:49 AM)

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: klimt]
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Quote:
good point, i think you simply have to be in that "state of ethereal contact" as often as possible.

unless while you were transcendant, you could make some sort of....Zordoscope, a dial in which holds various cosmic alternatives for any choice making situation, and so ones spins the zordoscope and thusly dissolves the average decision making process and implants one both governed by realities "chance'" and the steering of the higher mindedness

am I talking about a more significant 8-ball?


That's a cool idea.

A situational divining rod. That would sell well.


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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
I was thinking about how, when immersed in the mundane world, even the most complex choices are conditioned reflexes.
Another word for it is sleepwalking.

In another threads people have been attempting to suggest what they think spirituality or spiritual endeavor involves.

I have been tempted, more than tempted, to illustrate that the non-spiritual life is mechanical, which is also referred to as earth bound. While the spiritual life transcends the mechanical, and that metaphorically translates as heaven oriented.

Naturally such metaphors are tremendously abused by people immersed in the mundane world attempting to appear spiritual

The question then seems to be how to rise above one’s conditioning long enough to take a clear peek at some issue, and then make some kind of choice that is related to increasing spiritual interests rather than more mechanical choice making for personal profit/karma style sleepwalking.

This ties in a lot to the ideas of karma altogether, i.e. the idea of a chain of events being “destined” or preconditioned.

This is especially so when one is steering by all one’s past experience or being steered by previous actions. It is so confining. Yet the “awakened” or spiritual opportunity is to transcend the grind for a moment or two, and stick a finger in the dyke


the non-spiritual life is mechanical, which is also referred to as earth bound. While the spiritual life transcends the mechanical, and that metaphorically translates as heaven oriented.

depends on what you mean by mechanical? A native on the trail hunting is by no means sleep walking. His senses are alive and alert to everything except maybe his internal dialog. So is he being spiritual? If your answer is yes then I think we have a decent working definition of spiritual. Being awake to the experience of being alive, what ever that may be.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: raw spiritual rambling [Re: Icelander]
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yes that person is clearly practicing awareness.
everything is being appreciated as fresh instead of as "OK like before" or "NotOK different".

seeing things fresh makes him unmechanical.

it forces perception to a lower priority than observation.
the mechanical part is perception.
if something is perceived, recognized and slotted, it is being dealt with automatically. (mechanically)

lowering the priority of perception to less important than awareness, but keeping it operating - so you can still proceed with your business (walking etc.) is the very essence of being awake.

this is really not too easy unless you are aware of the process of perception itself.

another way to see what perception is:
children have less of it than adults,
it is the mapping of the world to experience.

another way to differentiate between sleep walking and wakefulness is:
are you walking in a map of the world, or are you walking in the physically sensed world.


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