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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
And yet, though utterly broke and placing bets with your mouth that you can't cash with your ass, you agree to donate to the Shroomery.  It's good to see a sense of shame.  It's so rare in the young.


:kingtard:

I wonder if, in the process of being so needlessly childish, the thought ever occurred to you that you are flat wrong and that reality doesn't fit within your narrow view. I have the money now, I had it a week ago, I had it two weeks ago, I had it a month ago. I agreed to donate an additional $10, beyond the amount from my wager with willshire, after you whined like a little baby about a bet with me that never existed. I know that, when one of your main objectives in entering into discussion here is simply to attempt to insult people, you don't really think things through, but hopefully you can expand your frame of mind to the point that the thought would occur that a $10 bet on the Shroomery isn't anywhere near the highest priority for people with a life. I had decided to make my donation at the time I felt was most appropriate, since I've had much more important things to attend to.

I haven't welshed on anything. Your sense of when I should make my donation is irrelevant - I could give a fuck less what you think. :bye:


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Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks: The surge is about Iran. You're right it is primarily the "awakening" in Iraq that has reduced violence dramatically and the Muqtada al-Sadr ceasefires. The surge has helped to reduce some of the violence by preventing roadside bombs, capturing and killing terrorists, backup, etc. But every time you think about Iraq you have to think about Iran. And that is what the surge is about. With 150,000 troops on the ground Iran can't maneuver. With permanent bases in Iraq, Iran will have a harder time to maneuver. If Iran chooses to increase the chaos, we have 150,000 troops, and an air campaign warning them not to. If troops withdraw, if the threat of war is removed, Iran will fill the vacuum in Iraq. We wait for negotiations. We don't want substantial Iranian influence, they do. Each side tries to intimidate, show off their brinkmanship until they have some sort of advantage at the negotiation table.

Today John McCain and Dick Cheney were in Iraq. Why? As a warning to Iran that the same polices under Bush are going to be the same polices under McCain. That if you think permissive policies are coming don't feel so sure.

If you think Obama has the better policy in Iraq, and timetables for withdrawal is appropriate then that is fine. You sound like a responsible person. We just disagree. You at least acknowledged what a premature withdrawal may look like. I on the other hand feel that timetables will work against us, as it gives our enemies and Iran the advantage. However, as I stated before, Obama is not stupid. If you believe we will be out of Iraq within 16 months, I am afraid you'll going to be disappointed. It's not going to happen (and if you listen carefully to Obama, he hints at that). No one, excluding Ron Paul, would be so reckless and put our country in such danger to just ruthlessly adhere to a timetable. I would expect to hear something like the situation in Iraq has evolved and so have the polices sort of doing a dance around the timetable never fully adhering to it. What sort of president wouldn't listen to their generals?

Perhaps what this is really come down to is that I think that we have a chance on succeeding in Iraq. It will be a struggle and we may not succeed but I'm willing to try.

By the way, yesterday General Petraeus hinted he would resign if the newly elected President asked him to prematurely withdraw.


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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Wow. I read his shit earlier and had nothing. You just wrote an astounding refutaion. :thumbup:


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: dill705]
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klimt, who tells you the surge is about Iran? Smells like bullshit. Even if it's true, Iran wouldn't negotiate with Bush, he's the biggest laughing stock on the world stage. No one has done more to damage our image.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: dill705]
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That's interesting. I could make a very strong argument that the arch pussy Jimmy Carter did far more damage by NOT fighting back against those who attacked our soil. When you are perceived as weak you will be attacked. When you are perceived as strong, you are far less likely to be attacked. Psych 101. Jimmy Carter made the whole country look pussified. Thanks Jimmy, you fucking twat.


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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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Billy was cool.:smirk:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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Oh, you stupid bastard.

While The Peanut Farmer wasn't perfect, it is an undeniable fact that we never would have had to deal with his presidency if the preceding Republican administration hadn't proved to be the biggest group of incompetent crooks and bumbling liars this side of Moscow.

Maybe there wouldn't be such a swing to far-left extremism if you didn't keep fucking up the country every 20 years when you manage to scrape and claw your way to power out of whatever primordial ooze your party hatches it's candidates from.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
Oh, you stupid bastard.


Madtown, you ignorant slut
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While The Peanut Farmer wasn't perfect, it is an undeniable fact that we never would have had to deal with his presidency if the preceding Republican administration hadn't proved to be the biggest group of incompetent crooks and bumbling liars this side of Moscow.


The previous Republican administration, in case you were unaware, was the Ford administration. I know of no examples or allegations of theft or thuggery from them. As to the penultimate administration, it is true that Agnew was a crook. Milhouse? Nope. Just a paranoid moron. Accent BOTH words in paranoid moron. Then again, are you paranoid if everyone is out to get you? Democrats had controlled both chambers for quite some time. No excuse for his behavior, though. Which party got us into 'Nam anyway?
It is certainly true that national disgust with Nixon made it impossible for a Republican to win but did the Dems have to nominate a fucking retard? They're doing it again, by the way. An election they should have put in their pocket is going to slip away because they only have shit for candidates. Or is that shit for brains? I vote the latter.
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Maybe there wouldn't be such a swing to far-left extremism if you didn't keep fucking up the country every 20 years when you manage to scrape and claw your way to power out of whatever primordial ooze your party hatches it's candidates from.


As a history lesson for you, the country has been controlled by Dems for most of recent history. You know, the left. It is only a recent artifact that Conservatives have come back at all (W is not quite a Conservative, what with his compassion and all). Let us speak of primordial ooze, if you will. Johnson; so reviled he would not even try for a second term: Carter; possibly the worst ever and slaughtered by....Ronald Reagan?: Clinton; impeached. Please spare me the dumb shit, just make a rational point somewhere.


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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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Clinton, despite being impeached is the most revered president of my lifetime. (Yes, You're Old, I Know. Sucks, huh?)

Republicans upon leaving office are seldom seen as anything except power hungry thugs who have bankrupted the country on dubious grounds.

The current Bush, for instance.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (02/13/21 06:00 PM)

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
Clinton, despite being impeached is the most revered president of my lifetime.  (Yes, You're Old, I Know.  Sucks, huh?)


For me, it beats the shit out of the alternative.  Also, I get to annoy the living shit out of you.:cool:  For some reason, Reagan is revered.  Fucked if I get it.
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Republicans upon leaving office are seldom seen as anything except power hungry thugs who have bankrupted the country on dubious grounds.


Seen by daft bints, maybe
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The current Bush, for instance.


I am not by any stretch pleased with his failure to veto spending bills.


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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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EntheogenicPeace said:
The Democratic Party, with only a handful of exceptions, is not left-wing.


Something only a totally far left loon would say. I don't play golf.


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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (02/13/21 06:02 PM)

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Somebody has no idea what a bell curve is. A terrible indictment of our collegiate system.


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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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EntheogenicPeace said:
Nader is left-wing. Obama & Clinton any objective observer analyzing the current U.S. geopolitical situation can see it plainly.




i don't see it.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: lonestar2004]
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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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I suppose you think that Barry is centrist in spite of the fact that he is the furthest left Senator out of 100.


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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I suppose you think that Barry is centrist in spite of the fact that he is the furthest left Senator out of 100.


Not really. Taking votes, categorizing them, and then formulating a position mathematically just doesn't seem a very effective way to find a true sense of a politician's idealogical standing. From what he has stated on the matter, there were simply two votes that gave him that status, and those votes in particular didn't sound very liberal.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Obama and the Minister [Re: fireworks_god]
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Why are you so cynical zappa? I hope your happy on the inside, I know I couldn't be if I was as short sighted as you.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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