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Hillary Clinton
    #6509110 - 01/29/07 05:20 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

what do you think?
Will Hillary Clinton cost the democrats the 2008 election?
You may choose only one


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: trebbihm]
    #6509300 - 01/29/07 06:01 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

No, b/c she won't be their candidate.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6509552 - 01/29/07 06:55 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I don't know red, she's got more money than god and the press is fawning over a no-shot turkey just to put up a straw opponent. Got anybody else in mind? By the way, even if she doesn't get the nomination she could end up draining so much from the campaign chest of the winner that there'll be nothing left for the general election.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6509574 - 01/29/07 07:01 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Money won't do everything in a campaign. It seems that money works best to get one's name out, but after that you get diminishing returns on your cash. She's already got her name out there and I honestly don't think any amount of money is going to win her back the votes she lost from a) being a woman and b) being a terrible bitch of a woman.

I'm pretty set on Obama winning the Dem. primary, myself. Lots of people disagree with me and I very well could be wrong, but it's one of those gut feelings.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6509632 - 01/29/07 07:13 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

That's the no-shot turkey I was referring to. Money can do a lot more than just get name recognition, I'm sorry to say. Massive opposition research for one. And then big money can spend big in every state, not just one or two here and there, especially with other states looking to move up their primaries to minimize Iowa and NH. I look for her to lose to McCain. I'd rather she lost to Rudy but that's OK, I've never gotten my first choice anyway.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6509680 - 01/29/07 07:29 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

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Redstorm said:
No, b/c she won't be their candidate.



Here's hoping. :thumbup:


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6509701 - 01/29/07 07:33 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I agree with zappa, i think its gonna be a Hilary vs McCain.
I think Hilary will court a lot of conservative votes too, it'll be a narrow election thats for sure.

I would like to vote for McCain but I highly disagree with his flag burning law, and his support for escalating Iraq.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: trebbihm]
    #6509889 - 01/29/07 08:13 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

that depends on whether the voters want 4 more years of king george from hilary.. vs 4 years under a repugnican autocrat that makes KG look like a pussey cat...


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6510289 - 01/29/07 09:56 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
I agree with zappa, i think its gonna be a Hilary vs McCain.
I think Hilary will court a lot of conservative votes too, it'll be a narrow election thats for sure.

I would like to vote for McCain but I highly disagree with his flag burning law, and his support for escalating Iraq.




I agree with all of that and because of why you won't vote for McCain, many others won't either which is why, as much as it feels like a chilling dark cloud looming over me, I honestly think Hillary is going to end up our next President.

If Guilani gets the nomination, it will be tight and I think he's the only way the Republicans will have a chance. He'll steal votes away from the Dems if Hilary gets the nomination.

Red,

why do you think Hilary's being a woman is going to make squat difference? She got voted is as a NY Senator. The shock value of seeing women in government is long gone.

There are many women out there, who, men and women alike know darn well have nerves of steal, hearts of ice, eat nails and children for breakfast and the power to rip your balls off,  without flinching, save for the move to light up a Cigar afterwards. Seems some people want to see those characteristics in a Commander in Chief. Who can not picture Hillary in a Sherman tank bulldozing over and blowing up anything that stands in her way?  :lol:

She's an easy woman to picture as Comander in Chief, as much as I don't ever want to see her there for other reasons.

I agree with zap about Obama. Just last week, I saw a CNN poll taken for the democratic primaries and Hilary was at 86% and Obama at 14%. He's got a lot of catching up to do. At the most, he may end up her running mate.

People are comfortable with Hillary just because she's been in the public eye for so long on top of being next to Bill who people loved and trusted for some reason. Obama is a strange new face to many Americans and he can't beat that factor he's competing with in the times he's got to do it.

The masses don't follow  this stuff to any great degree. They're too caught up in who will become the next American Idol, not President.

I was watching a show where a 22 year old was asked who the Vice President was. She drew a blank, a long pause of confusion and then said, "is it something like Kunda Rice?"

For shits and giggles you guys start asking random people who the Vice President is when you're out and about.

Name recognition alone builds a sense of trust and familiarity in things. If you're traveling in Morrocco on business, need to grab a quick meal on the fly,  and see only an Olive Garden and Tukanta open, which are you going to eat at?

If Hilary gets in with Obama as her running mate then, I think he'll have a chance in 2012 or 2014.

Here are some funny quotes from Althouse blog on the Clintons.

Quote:

Have people had enough of the Dynasty approach? Or will shoulder pads, cheesy overacting, and loud hairdos make a comeback?




 
Quote:

Simon said...
"Remember that Bill once said that in voting for him for President, we'd also get Hillary for President, "two for the price of one." We will be getting the two-fer back, but they don't want you to think about it."

Well, it recalls the old joke of the married man: what's mine is hers and what's hers is...Hers. When Bill ran, you got Bill with Hillary; when Hillary runs, you get...Hillary.




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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6510312 - 01/29/07 10:02 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I still hold my position that Hillary will not get the candidacy, and if she manages to somehow, she won't win the presidency.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6510341 - 01/29/07 10:09 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

That's cool. It's fun hearing all of the opinions out there. We should sticky something with our best estimates and then see who called it.

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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6510365 - 01/29/07 10:14 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Once 2008 roles around, that sounds like a great idea. I think it's a bit early for something like that just now.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6510573 - 01/29/07 11:10 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I predict this year is the year when McCain finally gets presidency. It's too bad Obama is so far behind in the polls. I think he'll have a decent chance in 2012 if he stays on track.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6511088 - 01/30/07 04:05 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Hmmm....

8 years of Reagan/Bush
4 years of Bush
8 years of Clinton
8 years of Bush
4-8 years of Clinton (potentially)

I think it is time to get rid of (by voting out) "Royal Families" in office; they haven't done a very good job over the last 25 years.

p.s. It is sad that I must clairify my "get rid of" statement to mean voting rather than violence. What a messed up world we live in. *sigh*


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Seuss]
    #6511154 - 01/30/07 05:00 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Hahaha I didn't even realise that. Royal families= corruption. When a rich, spoiled person comes into power, you have corruption. See the connection? Bush is a decent example. Well, actually, he's the best in American history to prove this theory. This spoiled little brat is thoughtless basterd because he grew up a step above everyone else.

Elect people that were once normal people.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: trebbihm]
    #6511433 - 01/30/07 08:00 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I think that if either Hilary or Obama end up being the Democratic candidate, that the Republicans will win the election.

Both of those democrats are too polarizing, its too soon, it won't happen. America is still too racist and sexist.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: adrug]
    #6511486 - 01/30/07 08:26 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

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America is still too racist and sexist.




....says the old man.


Im sure that Hillary will win the Presidency because she is a female.
I think that the American people are tired of how men have been running this nation and are ready for a womans touch.




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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: niteowl]
    #6511687 - 01/30/07 09:34 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I'm an old man???

And here I thought I was a 27 year old woman.

I'm just being realistic, that's all. I know my fellow Americans. I live right in the middle of all these people that others forget exist. When you live in a place like the Northeast or California surrounded by liberal democrats, it can seem like everyone is on your side, but in fact, you are just a small community in a large country, the majority of which is still conservative to the point that women don't get to run the country and neither do half-black guys named Obama. I don't agree with that at all, I don't like it, but that's how it IS. :shrug:

Edit: And as far as Hilary and Obama go, I think Obama doesn't have enough political experience to be anything but charismatic and Hilary is an ambitious woman who is deeply hated by half of the country. I don't see how either of these candidates would do this country any good.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: trebbihm]
    #6511820 - 01/30/07 10:21 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Off-topic but I would totally shag Hillary.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: House]
    #6511843 - 01/30/07 10:28 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

House said:
I predict this year is the year when McCain finally gets presidency. It's too bad Obama is so far behind in the polls. I think he'll have a decent chance in 2012 if he stays on track.




there wont be an election in 2012 if mccain wins the POTUS in 2008...mccain has stopped a hair short of publicly promising to start WW III...at his age he might not live long enough to do so..but i would almost bet the farm that mccains' VP will be at least as radical...

however..i would bet the farm on hilary being the democratic candidate either..beacuase by the same token..howard dean should have been the 2004 candidate at this same point in that election cycle...


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6511900 - 01/30/07 10:46 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

" why do you think Hilary's being a woman is going to make squat difference? She got voted is as a NY Senator. The shock value of seeing women in government is long gone. "

Let us not forget the circumstances of Hilary's election. She was running against Rudy, a popular and effective mayor of NYC, a liberal bastion the likes of which can't be topped, and a two term Republican up against term limits. That gives him NYC. Upstate skews Republican and I sure doubt that too many of them would think that this carpetbagger bitch knows anything or cares anything about them. She was going to get killed. Drawn, quartered and her parts carted to the four corners of the earth and buried so deep Morlocks couldn't find them. She would have disappeared. But noooooooooo. Rudy gets cancer and has to pull out. Some totally unheard of schmuck gets drafted to run against the beast with the bucks and suffers a noble but vicious beating. Nobody on the planet would be talking about this hole if it wasn't for Rudy's prostate. And THAT is a 100% pure fact.

To all those in love with Obama, I can only ask why? The guy is a veritable sphinx who has avoided taking a stance on any but the most expedient issues. It is a long tough slog until the primaries even start and he is going to be on a pretty steep learning curve. I say he is going to step on his dick quite a few times when the heat comes on. And further, as much as I hate to say it, he is still black. My prediction is that the first black president will not be a Democrat. I'll go even further and say that the first female president will not be a Democrat. The problem is that the leery middle will look at mommy from the mommy party and think that's too much mommy. The party will look at the affirmative action guy from the affirmative action party and think that's too much affirmative action. Accurate or not, these are tremendous burdens for a Democrat to overcome. A Republican black or woman will not have such problems. And then there is the whole question that if they do get elected will they somehow be able to hide behind a "you're only picking on me because I'm a..." curtain when they get hammered?

Obama? No shot. What is he anyway?
Hilary? Very little chance of doing anything but coming close. She's all over the map with her past positions, which is what happens when you only care about polls and not about issues. This is going to hurt her. The media will do it's best to get her elected but it will not be enough. She really is a reprehensible slug and stuff will soon be flying off the airwaves.

This is going to be one ugly election season.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6511997 - 01/30/07 11:22 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

i don't want this country to go down the shitter anymore than it is, so i hope to god hillary doesn't get elected. otherwise i am moving to some remote coastal area of scotland or ireland.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: adrug]
    #6512414 - 01/30/07 01:33 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

i think hillary is too polarizing to be the president. the feel in washington right now is all about their favorite word - "bipartisan." the republicans know hillary wouldn't go for that. with enough money to easily buy her nomination, i think she'll get the nod, but end up loosing by failing to get ANY red votes.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6512600 - 01/30/07 02:31 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

Hope you are right, I loathe the CUNT.

Its early but it looks bad.

I think she has a lock on the nomination, despite the Osama Obamagasm the MSM is currently having.

She gets 45% of the electorate who will vote for any Democrat no matter what. On top of that she will get a huge number of votes from young women who would not have otherwise taken the time to vote.

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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6512987 - 01/30/07 04:13 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

Your story doesn't change the fact that voters elected a woman over a man for that seat in the Senate. Voters do vote women into the White House.

Anything one can say about it being, "not for the Presidency though", was surely said when the first women ran for Congress and the Senate and they got voted in anyway.

If she makes it through the primaries and into the Oval Office or not, it will be due to other factors then her being a woman.

Men have grown accustomed to female authority figures be it through their College/University Professors, Deans/Principles, Employers/Bosses/CEO's, in the Police Force/Military, Local and State Government Offices, heading scientific/medical research, Surgeons, Adminstrators, church ministries  etc. I don't think less then 9 out of 10 over the age of 26 are phased by it if they ever were.

Last time I checked 70% of the U.S. population doesn't favor us being over in the middle east blowing the crap up out of everything as if it were "Coooool Dude! Did you see what that new weapon can do? That was awesome! Lets go order some more and see what else we can blow the fuck up!"
:butthead::headbanger:

Even Republican men are saying, "Enough of the Juvenile Testosterone already and quit spending our Federal Budget like a gold digging whore over there, Mr. President! :crankey:



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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6513361 - 01/30/07 05:36 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Your story doesn't change the fact that voters elected a woman over a man for that seat in the Senate. Voters do vote women into the White House.




Story???????  And no, they have never voted a woman into the white house.  They have certainly at other times elected women to Congress over men.  No shit.  Just don't get enamored of the carpetbagger cunts chances.  She has never faced an opponent.  I don't think she'll get one in the primaries either but she will be absolutely fucked in the general.  The grandest irony of all is if Rudy kicks her ass in the presidential.  She'll bring up his divorce and he'll bring up her non-divorce.  Bwahahahahaha.
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Anything one can say about it being, "not for the Presidency though", was surely said when the first women ran for Congress and the Senate and they got voted in anyway.

If she makes it through the primaries and into the Oval Office or not, it will be due to other factors then her being a woman.

Men have grown accustomed to female authority figures be it through their College/University Professors, Deans/Principles, Employers/Bosses/CEO's, in the Police Force/Military, Local and State Government Offices, heading scientific/medical research, Surgeons, Adminstrators, church ministries  etc. I don't think less then 9 out of 10 over the age of 26 are phased by it if they ever were.

Last time I checked 70% of the U.S. population doesn't favor us being over in the middle east blowing the crap up out of everything as if it were "Coooool Dude! Did you see what that new weapon can do? That was awesome! Lets go order some more and see what else we can blow the fuck up!"
:butthead::headbanger:

Even Republican men are saying, "Enough of the Juvenile Testosterone already and quit spending our Federal Budget like a gold digging whore over there, Mr. President! :crankey:



:peace: :heart:




The first woman president will not be a Democrat.  I will stand by this prediction even if it becomes radioactive and I will stand under this prediction even if it is a ten ton weight and I will stand in this prediction even if it is an ideological prison and I will stand over this prediction even if it is a volcano.  I'll even bet hard earned American greenbacks on it (In all fairness I expect to be dead before my daughter ascends the throne but SHE WILL BE A REPUBLICAN.  dammit)


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6513663 - 01/30/07 06:47 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

God, it's going to be so hilarious when you daughter starts bringing home Marx and Goldman. To hell with less than scrupulous men; that right there is just terrifying. :wink:


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6513687 - 01/30/07 06:50 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

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Story???????




The one about Guilanis prostate and the shmuck you said the Republican party replaced him with.

Quote:

And no, they have never voted a woman into the white house.




Corection noted. I meant to say Capitcal Hill-generalizing they are in high political offices. 

Quote:

They have certainly at other times elected women to Congress over men.  No shit.  Just don't get enamored of the carpetbagger cunts chances.




I'll say the same to you with her having no chance. We are both speculating. I say, she has the better chance if she went up against McCain and no shot if it's Guilani.

Quote:

  She has never faced an opponent.  I don't think she'll get one in the primaries either but she will be absolutely fucked in the general.




That'll be quite a show indeed. Imagine this forum in October 2008. :lol:

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The grandest irony of all is if Rudy kicks her ass in the presidential.  She'll bring up his divorce and he'll bring up her non-divorce.  Bwahahahahaha.




I think she would trouble shoot that one ahead of time and wouldn't go there. If she does, he will let her have it no doubt. Supposedly Billy has been running around LA and Vegas with some billionaire playboy these days. Regardless, she'll steal the Right Wing Christian fundy votes away from him by saying she kept her marital union "joined by God" together and he broke his vow to God and is a sinner, or something to the effect of her being a better Christian. Then he can cream her back on the abortion issues if she tries to play that card.

Hmmmmmmm, what cards would Obama and McCain play against each other I wonder.

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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6513711 - 01/30/07 06:55 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

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Redstorm said:
God, it's going to be so hilarious when you daughter starts bringing home Marx and Goldman. To hell with less than scrupulous men; that right there is just terrifying. :wink:





She is already Bene Geserit.  Marx and Goldman are poop.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Seuss]
    #6520112 - 02/01/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Seuss said:
Hmmm....

8 years of Reagan/Bush
4 years of Bush
8 years of Clinton
8 years of Bush
4-8 years of Clinton (potentially)






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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: trebbihm]
    #6527231 - 02/03/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i think this thread proves more than most that we need to switch our focus from who will be the democrate and republican candidates for president and worry about how we can spread the word for a third party candidate who isn't a total pawn wouldn't sell their soul to get elected. we all know and need to stop kidding ourselves about which of the main candidates will be good for america, the fact is they won't be good for america if they are a member of either of the big parties. until we realize that we will continue to have shit subpar presidents who either cheat on their wives, militarize space, invade countries for no reason, don't listen to what the americab public says etc etc etc. we need to wake up as a country because all the main candidates spell trouble for you, me and our country.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6535106 - 02/05/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Hope you are right, I loath the CUNT.

Its early but it looks bad.

I think she has a lock on the nomination, despite the Osama Obamagasm the MSM is currently having.

She gets 45% of the electorate who will vote for any Democrat no matter what.  On top of that she will get a huge number of votes from young women who would not have otherwise taken the time to vote.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."  Hillary 2004




You're starting to sound like her campaign manager :smirk:


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: gregorio]
    #6536616 - 02/06/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Hmmm....

8 years of Reagan/Bush
4 years of Bush
8 years of Clinton
8 years of Bush
4-8 years of Clinton (potentially)






And then it will be Jeb's turn.




We would have been alot better of with Jeb in the first place...oh well.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Kamin]
    #6536719 - 02/06/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I honestly dont believe Hillary will be the Dem Nominee, as I've said before.

Sure, she has what looks like a big lead in the Iowa caucus. But that doesnt really matter. Those people who vote in the early caucus' are mostly rabid left or right-wingers, not the actual voice of the majority of the party.

I think most of us think that Hillary, while personally attractive to us, is unelectable. I would vote for her w/out qualm in a presidential election, but I will vote *against* her in the primary for that simple reason.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #6540413 - 02/07/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I will be moving to Canada if Hillary is elected. That would be such a shame for women - the first female president of America only got her nomination because of her husband before her, who, by the way, was fucking a lot of skanky women behind her back.

Obama is sketchy as well. He went to a Muslim school when he grew up, changed his American name to something African, and has a lot of ridiculous liberal opinions.

I personally think all candidates in both parties suck. McCain will have my vote this year, though he is a little loopy.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: hungarianflower]
    #6540836 - 02/07/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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That would be such a shame for women - the first female president of America only got her nomination because of her husband before her, who, by the way, was fucking a lot of skanky women behind her back. 




Hey, maybe Monica Lewinsky would want to run for president! :smirk:


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: adrug]
    #6541483 - 02/07/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

They both have hideous taste in men


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Kamin]
    #6553371 - 02/11/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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We would have been alot better of with Jeb in the first place...oh well.




I agree.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6558443 - 02/12/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

NY State Poll


http://www.newyorkbusiness.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070204/FREE/70205023&SearchID=73271237191027



"New York voters would choose Senator Clinton over , Giuliani...."

"If the 2008 general election for president were held today and the candidates were Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, Republican Rudy Giuliana...."

Hillary Rodham Clinton 49%

Rudy Giuliani 27%


I know its early but it's not a good sign.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6558481 - 02/12/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Um, I don't think that is correct. I read other polls with Rudy handily pounding the skank in NY. Not to panic, my friend, he just seriously wowed them in California and is managing to assuage the fears of the pro-lifers and gun guys. Serious momentum going, although it is way too early. I'm getting hard though.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6559299 - 02/12/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Rasmussen, one of the only polling org. worth it's weight in shit, has Rudy up 49% to 43%.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: Redstorm]
    #6559396 - 02/12/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

In NY, right? Or nationwide? Frankly, I think he will absolutely beat on the brat with a baseball bat if they ever get to loggerheads. The debates will be one of the greatest baby seal clubbings of all time. She is absolutely shotless against Rudy.


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Re: Hillary Clinton [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6559407 - 02/12/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I believe that's nationwide. I'll see if they have anything for just NY.


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