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Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate
    #6766344 - 04/09/07 06:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Monday, April 9, 2007 5:22 p.m. EDT
Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate for CNN

Sen. Barack Obama will not participate in a Democratic presidential debate this fall co-hosted by Fox News Channel, making him the second candidate to snub the cable network.

An Obama aide said the Illinois senator had no plans to attend the Sept. 23 debate in Detroit that Fox agreed to co-sponsor with the Congressional Black Caucus Political Education and Leadership Institute.

Obama will take part in a different debate hosted by the institute and CNN in January.

"CNN seemed like a more appropriate host," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said.

Obama's decision comes three days after former Sen. John Edwards, another Democratic presidential candidate, announced he was pulling out of the Fox-sponsored debate.

Without Edwards or Obama, the debate would lack two marquee contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Democrats have been under pressure from liberal activists to avoid Fox-hosted debates. Last month, the Nevada Democratic Party canceled a debate that Fox was to co-sponsor in August. Democratic critics complain that the network displays a conservative bias in its news broadcasts.

"The debates are still scheduled as announced," said Candice Tolliver, a spokeswoman for the CBC Institute.

The institute, a nonprofit group whose directors include members of the Congressional Black Caucus, and Fox News announced an agreement nearly two weeks ago to air Republican and Democratic presidential debates. But activists, including civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, almost immediately called on Democrats to pull out.

Last week, the Democratic National Committee sanctioned six debates before the 2008 primary season, but did not include the Fox-CBC Institute debate among them.

James Rucker, head of ColorOfChange.org, an online organization of black activists, on Monday urged Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and other Democratic presidential candidates to join Edwards and Obama.

Calls by the Associated Press to Fox were not immediately returned.

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/4/9/172345.shtml?s=ic


WOW!!!! They want to be the President of the United States but they can’t stand up to Fox?!!!

The Dem candidates are a Bunch of PUSSIES....

Now will the Republicans do a reprisal boycott of CNN/MSNBC.
I wouldn't doubt it, they are a bunch of Pussies too.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6766876 - 04/09/07 08:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Although I see ALL major media outlets as biased on a range of topics, I see no reason why any candidate would opt out of the potential face time during a very heated Presidential election.

Do the dems not realize that eventually they WILL run against a republican, and that a large amount of republican voters idolize fox news? This is something that may haunt them once it comes time for the big guns to come out after the primaries


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: dedjam]
    #6767106 - 04/09/07 09:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What is happening here is the censorious clamoring of the nutroots to squelch debate in any forum which they do not deem fellatious enough to their agenda. Thou must BOW before the mighty KOS. Whatever. As they reap, so shall they sow. Ask Lamont.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6767222 - 04/09/07 10:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What about it, Lamont?



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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: zorbman]
    #6767342 - 04/09/07 10:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, so either the dems are punishing fox news by witholding their presence, or;

They think potential supporters are too stupid to notice biased questions/ formats when they see it.

Not saying the debate would have been biased, I really don't know much about fox news television. Am I the only one who doesn't watch the tv morons talk about stupid shit all day? Christ, read a fucking paper america.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: malcom43]
    #6767361 - 04/09/07 10:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You are not the only one and be damn careful about the paper you read too.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6768664 - 04/10/07 05:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think its a good idea. No reason not to be blunt about Fox, no reason to pretend it qualifies as a news media, not as merely a propaganda machine. Seems more like 'standing up' to them than if theyd continued with the charade as if nothing happened.
Logically, to accept someone as a host of a debate you need a neutral party, at least enough so to satisfy both parties. I dont see how Fox could possibly qualify.
Its only a great shame that they are not far more explicit about it...


Edited by aryah (04/10/07 09:24 AM)


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: malcom43]
    #6768880 - 04/10/07 09:01 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Christ, read a fucking paper america.




Journalism is nothing more than politically charged opinion any more. The paper is no better than the tv. Get your news from a variety of places, and dont stop with the story...do some research yourself.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: dedjam]
    #6769034 - 04/10/07 10:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Christ, read a fucking paper america.




Journalism is nothing more than politically charged opinion any more. The paper is no better than the tv. Get your news from a variety of places, and dont stop with the story...do some research yourself.




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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: dedjam]
    #6769125 - 04/10/07 11:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I run into so many people who only get their news from one source. Usually tv. They are almost impossible to reason with since they are only comfortable hearing news which validates their own opinion. They exist in an echo chamber. President Bush is like that. He lives in a bubble detached from reality where those with opposing views have learned to avoid him. He is uncomfortable with criticism and has his intelligence pre-cooked for him to match his inaccurate worldview.

The result? Iraq.

It used to be that along with your news you got some opinion not necessarily friendly to your own. I think that is healthy. Everybody got a plate and it had beef, potatoes and some green leafy vegetable on it. You didn't have to eat that veggie but it was there and you had to deal with it. Nowadays there are so many media outlets that you can simply turn off differing views and immerse yourself in what amounts to brain washing.

Is it any wonder our country is going down the tubes?


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: aryah]
    #6769277 - 04/10/07 11:47 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I think its a good idea.




So does the GOP. The Dem's are making a huge mistake here I think.

The Dem's are giving up early in the effort to draw Republican voters, Moderates, Independents, and swing voters.

That will hold them to no more than 43% of the popular vote in the 2008 election........




And Fox news should Ban all Dem's from Fox IMMEDIATELY.

They should kick off all those FUCKING liberals they EMPLOYEE Diane Feinstein, Juan Williams, Marla Liasson, Wesley Clarke, Shep Smith, Neal Gabler, Bob Beckel, Jane Hall, Geraldo, Alan Holmes, Laura Schwartz, Kristen Powers, Greta Van Susteren, et al.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6769331 - 04/10/07 12:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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The Dem's are giving up early in the effort to draw Republican voters, Moderates, Independents, and swing voters.

That will hold them to no more than 43% of the popular vote in the 2008 election........





Great point. They have nothing to lose by going on the debate. Fox News obviously caters to a certain crowd, and that crowd isn't going to vote for them regardless, so you might as well take advantage of an opportunity to reach some of their audience that might become sympathetic to one's own cause. Offer them some more conservative ideas and plans, coupled with the more liberal ones. Draw them in through the only soapbox you can reach them with - Fox News. :lol:


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6769346 - 04/10/07 12:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Where did you come up with this 43% number?


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Redstorm]
    #6769686 - 04/10/07 01:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Guessed. (looking at past results)




Percent of Popular vote.

1972 Richard Nixon 61% - George McGovern 38%

1976 James Carter 51% - Gerald Ford 49%

1980 Ronald Reagan 52% - James Carter 42%

1984 Ronald Reagan 60% - Walter Mondale 40%

1988 George H Bush 54% - Michael Dukakis 46%

1992 William Clinton 43% - George H.W. Bush 38%

1996 William Clinton 50% - Robert Dole 41%

2000 George W. Bush 48% - Albert Gore 49%

2004 George W. Bush 51% - John Kerry 48%


http://www.usconstitution.net/elections.html



So Clinton got 50% in 1996 and Carter did it in 1976 otherwise no Dem's has been able to break the 50% popular vote lately...


And I just don't see the Dem's getting over 50% of the popular vote when they are giving up early in the effort to draw Republican voters, Libertarians, Moderates, Independents, and swing voters.

So IMO this will hold them to no more than 43% of the popular vote in the 2008 election


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6769830 - 04/10/07 01:37 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I hope you are wrong because I do not want to see Giluani or Mc Cain as president. Perhaps that dude from New Mexico would be decent.... the medical marijuana thing and all....


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6769886 - 04/10/07 01:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There are many, many more effective ways to attract undecideds and swing votes than to appear on Fox News. I doubt many true independents or libertarians watch that channel.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Redstorm]
    #6769921 - 04/10/07 01:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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There are many, many more effective ways to attract undecideds and swing votes than to appear on Fox News. I doubt many true independents or libertarians watch that channel.





"Fox News currently leads the cable news market in the United States, earning higher points ratings than its chief competitors CNN and MSNBC combined. While more people are actively watching Fox News Channel at any given time, CNN still remains the leader in unique viewers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6769954 - 04/10/07 02:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope you are wrong because I do not want to see Giluani or Mc Cain as president. Perhaps that dude from New Mexico would be decent.... the medical marijuana thing and all....




As a registered republican i am not thrilled with the giuliani choice. (Anti gun- Pro dead babies) and I would rather vote for the Half-White honky racist Hussein Obama than vote for McCain.

And all the politicians suck on the marijuana issue, Democrats just suck a tiny bit less ...


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Edited by lonestar2004 (04/10/07 02:09 PM)


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6769966 - 04/10/07 02:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Obama's people are just trying to stop him from facing any difficult questions. Notice how the only interviews etc. he accepts are the ones where they will praise him most of the time, like Oprah and such. His PR people are making sure he doesn't get the opportunity to mess up. That is all.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6770462 - 04/10/07 04:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I realize that, but I would wager a guess that most of the people who watch that channel are solidly Republican.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Redstorm]
    #6770613 - 04/10/07 04:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty smart to be weary of democrats, but downright stupid to support republicans...


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Redstorm]
    #6770912 - 04/10/07 05:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I realize that, but I would wager a guess that most of the people who watch that channel are solidly Republican.



That's true enough.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Redstorm]
    #6771524 - 04/10/07 08:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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There are many, many more effective ways to attract undecideds and swing votes than to appear on Fox News. I doubt many true independents or libertarians watch that channel.




Why not try to attract republicans? I know many republicans who would consider voting democrat if their position was unifying instead of divisive. We need to stop this "us and them" mentality. The only thing divisiveness achieves is pushing away perfectly reasonable people and polarizing them for no reason. We need a democratic candidate who is willing to speak to republicans instead of ostracizing them and trying to get that 51% of the vote. This is not the way forward.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6771902 - 04/10/07 09:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I can understand this. Fox has been real rough on Obama. I don't know what Edwards excuse is.

But yeah, like Redstorm says, it doesn't really matter. Not many republicans would vote for Obama, and I don't think any would vote for Edwards.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Mourningdove]
    #6772797 - 04/11/07 12:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

W/ regards to the people who say all news is garbage political crap, I diaggree. I read my local paper (for local issues only, really, I don't care what the AP thinks unless I want to compare to other papers), and the NYT and the WSJ, as well as look online for stories I'm interested in.

I don't see why people think all readers of a particular paper agree with the viewpoints of such paper, and really, I don't find much blatant bias in the paper itself, and the opinion/editorials aren't news anyway.

Besides, I read for the facts and assess interpretations for their logical basis in those facts, which is why the tv is so frustrating. 1 min of factual content, 29 of people screaming at each other.

My personal beliefs are largely consistant with the libertarian party of the USA, but I don't mind reading papers which aren't identified with such a philosphy (most aren't) and I get value out of them.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Mourningdove]
    #6772813 - 04/11/07 12:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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It's pretty smart to be weary of democrats, but downright stupid to support republicans...




Lets make a distinction between the republican party (which I know you mean) and the republican voters. The later aren't all braindead. I know many that don't care about gay marriage/ flag burning/ killing brown people, and all the other b.s. distractions the rep. party uses, but nonetheless support the party due to a perception that they are better for taxation and economy issues.

While I agree with the desires of these people (those I'm speaking of who support the rep's for tax, economy issues) the track record of the rep. party is not too good in these issues at least on the national stage.

Besides I find the jailing of drug-offenders to be a human-rights issue as well as a sad waste of taxes and immoral subsidization of the ustice system's budgets and prison guard union.

THis is why I personally don't vote republican.

edit: also the iraqi war/ Patriot act are goot litmus test issues esp the latter that won't allow me to vote republican usually- depending on the candidate.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: malcom43]
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W/ regards to the people who say all news is garbage political crap, I diaggree. I read my local paper (for local issues only, really, I don't care what the AP thinks unless I want to compare to other papers), and the NYT and the WSJ, as well as look online for stories I'm interested in.

I don't see why people think all readers of a particular paper agree with the viewpoints of such paper, and really, I don't find much blatant bias in the paper itself, and the opinion/editorials aren't news anyway.

Besides, I read for the facts and assess interpretations for their logical basis in those facts, which is why the tv is so frustrating. 1 min of factual content, 29 of people screaming at each other.

My personal beliefs are largely consistant with the libertarian party of the USA, but I don't mind reading papers which aren't identified with such a philosphy (most aren't) and I get value out of them.




You disagree because you are the exception. Based upon your statements, you actually read the paper, you think about what was presented, you take in additional viewpoints from various other sources, and finally, you make an informed opinion. Most people are sheep; they are content reading the headlines, allowing the media to lead them by the nose.

Also, to a certain extent, journalism has changed from objective reporting of current events to subjective money-making sensationalism. As such, it doesn't matter if we read The NY Times, or watch Fox News, we are still being bombarded with subjective money-making sensationalism rather than objective journalism, for the most part.


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Re: Like Edwards, Obama Ditches Fox News Debate [Re: Kamin]
    #6774148 - 04/11/07 10:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Obama's people are just trying to stop him from facing any difficult questions.  Notice how the only interviews etc. he accepts are the ones where they will praise him most of the time, like Oprah and such.  His PR people are making sure he doesn't get the opportunity to mess up.




That is the objective of all PR people for all candidates, duh. :lol:


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