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what's wrong with the democrats?
    #3314849 - 11/03/04 02:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

they just aren't able to capture the amount of voters that the republicans are lately. the republicans have a clear edge on them.

what can they change that would attract voters from the republican side while losing the smallest amount of their own?

who are the most vulnerable republican voters? what can they change without fear of losing a lot of votes to the republicans?


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3314859 - 11/03/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think their biggest mistake was nominating the most liberal member of the Senate.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3314871 - 11/03/04 02:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

yep. wasn't a very rational choice on the part of democrats. then again, this wasn't a very rational race.

they've been losing across the board though, and by what i think is a statistically relevent margin. what can they do to gain votes?


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3314880 - 11/03/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I think their biggest mistake was nominating the most liberal member of the Senate.




That's what you get when you ask Michael Moore for political advice.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3314889 - 11/03/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

democrats are poor with developing easily-digested soundbytes; democrats lack the media-savvy that the Karl Rove's of America have successfully harnessed.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3314898 - 11/03/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

you're kidding, right?


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3314910 - 11/03/04 02:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

that's one of the flaws of the democrats.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3314918 - 11/03/04 02:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think the truth is they can't.
There are only so many issues that bode poorly for republicans (abortion, healthcare, etc), and the democrats have already capitalized all of them. It will also be impossible for a democrats to try and beat republicans on issues strongly held by conservatives (defense, family values, taxes, etc).

And if the republican party starts to drift from its religious tendencies, it will grow to be even stronger.

A party that's fiscally conservative, socially liberal and very strong on defense will be the party of the future. It will be easier for the republican party to make the needed adjustments than it will for the democratic party.

Then again, it's all relative, and a populace naturally wants to contend with itself, so... I don't know.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3314923 - 11/03/04 02:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

JesusChrist has often pointed out how Clinton moved to the center, and in doing so retained popular support(though his undeniable charm probably had something to do with it). So I'd say the Democrats need another Clinton.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3314940 - 11/03/04 02:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The problem is they are extremely divided internally and that was evidenced in Kerry's refusal to take a strong stand on any one issue. He was afraid of alienating some dems.

They insist on perpetuating racism and class-warfare to win elections when they really dont have to. The fact that Bush doubled his support among african-americans shows that this tactic will no longer work. The most outspoken people for thier party are Micheal Moore, Al Frankin, and Jeanine Geraffalo.

They endorse Micheal Moore who is a socialist and arguably anti-american, then they scratch thier heads wondering where they went wrong. They claim repeatedly to support the masses and then repeatedly insult our intelligence by assuming we are too stupid to take care of any social issue without having the "solution" crammed down our throats.

They continue to pander to any demographic they think they can "win" from the cons and then wonder why they lose support in other groups. They are being over-run by extreme liberals who weasel thier way in but who really have little to no support and cannot get anything constructive accomplished.

It is a shame because i agree in principle with so many democratic issues but i would never vote for that party as it stands...Well, actually i voted for Obama but only because i think he can bring change to the party.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3315007 - 11/03/04 03:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The democrates are MASTERS at soundbites. The only problem is that the American public wants them to explain themselves. Liberals cannot explain themselves because they represent only certain people, these people aren't the ones asking them to explain.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Catalysis]
    #3315015 - 11/03/04 03:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The only thing I hate more than the current political situation in
this country is pretentious celebrities who have no idea what
they are talking about, no idea how most Americans live their
lives, and insist on blabbing about their ideas in a condescending
and elitist way.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3315033 - 11/03/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

idiot celebrities are on both sides,
as you know.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3315059 - 11/03/04 03:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

they just aren't able to capture the amount of voters that the republicans are lately. the republicans have a clear edge on them.

Fear, being in the middle of a war. No mystery.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3315081 - 11/03/04 03:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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bi0 said:
idiot celebrities are on both sides,
as you know.




Yeah their on both sides, but, I don't recall Bush having Bruce Springstein having a tour to try sway the vote his way.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3315095 - 11/03/04 03:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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what's wrong with the democrats?




HUH? Is this a trick question?


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Stein]
    #3315097 - 11/03/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There's the governator.. celebrity pseudo politician. Same effect.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3315105 - 11/03/04 03:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

what about the countless celebs in the hollywood left?


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Stein]
    #3315106 - 11/03/04 03:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The republicans had plenty of celebrity supporters who made the rounds on the usual tv shows and public appearances, but that never mattered to me; I am capable of making up my own mind.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3315114 - 11/03/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I think their biggest mistake was nominating the most liberal member of the Senate.




That's what you get when you ask Michael Moore for political advice.



Actually, I seem to remember Michael Moore endorsing Wesley Clarke.


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