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Obama offers universal health care plan
    #6983322 - 05/29/07 08:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

IOWA CITY, Iowa - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) on Tuesday offered a plan to provide health care to millions of Americans and more affordable medical insurance, financed by tax increases on the wealthy.




Bemoaning a health care "cost crisis," Obama said it was unacceptable that 47 million are uninsured while others are struggling to pay their medical bills. He said the time is ripe for reforming the health care system despite an inability to do so in the past, most notably when rival Hillary Rodham Clinton pursued major changes during her husband's presidency.

"We can do this," Obama said in a speech in Iowa City at the University of Iowa's medical school. "The climate is far different than it was the last time we tried this in the early nineties."

Obama's plan retains the private insurance system but injects additional money to pay for expanding coverage. Those who can't afford coverage would get a subsidy on a sliding scale depending on their income, and virtually all businesses would have to share in the cost of coverage for their workers.

Obama didn't mention how much his plan would cost and the campaign refused to provide a total figure. A memo written by three outside experts and distributed by the campaign after his speech said the plan would cost an estimated $50 billion to $65 billion a year once fully implemented. That amount, however, is after deducting what the campaign says Obama's plan would generate through improved efficiency and other federal savings.

The experts also said Obama could pay for his plan mostly through steps that the candidate has already said he would take — allowing President Bush's tax cuts on dividends and capital gains and on those making more than about $250,000 a year to expire in 2010 instead of acting to make them permanent.

The rest of the $65 billion funding could come by raising taxes on inheritances worth more than $7 million. Many Democrats want to repeal Bush's elimination of taxes on estates worth more than $1 million. Obama wants the exemption to be higher but has not yet said exactly where it should be set.

Obama's proposal would spend more money boosting technology in the health industry such as electronic record-keeping. His package would prohibit insurance companies from refusing coverage because of pre-existing conditions. It would also create a National Health Insurance Exchange to monitor insurance companies and limit their profits. Obama said the typical consumer would save $2,500 a year on premiums.

Obama's first promise as a presidential candidate was that he would sign a universal health care plan into law by the end of his firm term in the White House. But there is some dispute over whether his plan would provide universal care — it's aimed at lowering costs so all Americans can afford insurance, but does not guarantee everyone would buy it.

"It's not totally clear that it would result in universal coverage," said Ron Pollack, executive director of the advocacy group Families USA. He praised Obama and other leading Democratic candidates for focusing on improving health care.

"What makes it a top national priority now is not simply a sense of sympathy for people who are uninsured but a sense of fear that the coverage that used to be taken for granted can no longer be taken for granted," he said.

Obama aides said they believe that everyone would buy health insurance if it were affordable enough, achieving universal care. If some Americans are still uninsured after a few years into the plan, Obama would reconsider how to get to 100 percent, the advisers said.

That's where he differs with Democratic rival John Edwards, the only other candidate who has laid out a specific plan. Edwards eventually would require every American to get health insurance, much like state requirements that drivers have auto insurance. Obama would only require that children be covered.

Edwards spokesman Mark Kornblau said Edwards' plan, estimated at a total cost of between $90 billion and $120 billion annually, is "truly universal."

"He believes that incremental measures are not enough," Kornblau said. "Any plan that does not cover all Americans is simply inadequate."

Clinton has has yet to provide specifics of her health care plan. Clinton policy director Neera Tanden issued a statement commending Obama for entering the health care debate that she has long been fighting and saying that Clinton supports "true universal health care."

In a CNN-Opinion Research poll conducted earlier this month, about two-thirds said the government should provide national health insurance for all Americans, even if it would mean higher taxes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070529/ap_on_el_pr/obama_health








I’m so excited! I just can’t wait for Katrina Care.

...calls on government, businesses and consumers to share the costs of the program.

Obama conceded that the overall cost of the program would be high, while not providing a specific number....

Will the Government pay for my groceries, too.....

Because when they “take my money away for this”, I won’t have enough for food.


The plan also would put a heavy focus on preventing disease through lifestyle changes.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6983398 - 05/29/07 08:43 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I would be a touch concerned if I wasn't 100% certain that, right or wrong, neither the first black nor the first woman elected president will be a liberal or a Democrat.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6983460 - 05/29/07 08:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6983465 - 05/29/07 08:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yep:smirk:

Although I still think Hillary could beat your boy Rudy.

Fred Thompson will kick their assess! (obama/hillary)




Future POTUS Fred Thompson and wife.


Our First lady is not bad looking. I'd Hit it.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6983479 - 05/29/07 09:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
I would be a touch concerned if I wasn't 100% certain that, right or wrong, neither the first black nor the first woman elected president will be a liberal or a Democrat.




Clinton will trump Guiliani or any other candidate the repubs will throw at her, Obama is a political joke, no ones going to vote someone with as little experience as him.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6983488 - 05/29/07 09:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




Minor details... who cares its FREE!

The "government" is going to pay for it...

That makes it "free" to us, right? sarc


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6983495 - 05/29/07 09:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




Minor details... who cares its FREE!

The "government" is going to pay for it...

That makes it "free" to us, right? sarc




I've always been told their's no such thing as "free money"; maybe i was taught wrong.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6983507 - 05/29/07 09:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think both of you are nuts if you think the bitch will beat Rudy. I live in NY and I'm telling you both he will carry the state if they are the candidates. She will beat almost no one she is so widely reviled. The uber cunt would be a housewife if Rudy hadn't gotten cancer. He was well on his way towards destroying her until he got sick. Think about it. Republican mayor of NYC. Republican gets upstate votes, NYC mayor obviously gets downstate votes against a carpetbagger skank. The only reason she's a Senator is cancer. That poor dope they trotted out against her had no chance because he had no time.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6983540 - 05/29/07 09:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




Try reading the article. About half of the stanzas are a description of where the money will come from.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6983581 - 05/29/07 09:30 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

New York 2008: Clinton 50% Giuliani 29% Bloomberg 15%


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/new_york_2008_clinton_50_giuliani_29_bloomberg_15




I like Rudy but Hillary is going to win New York.

Without bloomberg I think Rudy could make it close, but i prey the RNC does not spend a dime in your state. (New York is a lost cause:sad:)




It will come down to 3 states:

FL, OH, PA. Whoever gets 2 wins it.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: gluke bastid]
    #6983597 - 05/29/07 09:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

gluke bastid said:
Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




Try reading the article. About half of the stanzas are a description of where the money will come from.





'calls on government, businesses and consumers to share the costs of the program.........


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6983671 - 05/29/07 09:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

gluke bastid said:
Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




Try reading the article. About half of the stanzas are a description of where the money will come from.





'calls on government, businesses and consumers to share the costs of the program.........




HERE:

plan would cost an estimated $50 billion to $65 billion a year once fully implemented. That amount, however, is after deducting what the campaign says Obama's plan would generate through improved efficiency and other federal savings.

The experts also said Obama could pay for his plan mostly through steps that the candidate has already said he would take — allowing President Bush's tax cuts on dividends and capital gains and on those making more than about $250,000 a year to expire in 2010 instead of acting to make them permanent.

The rest of the $65 billion funding could come by raising taxes on inheritances worth more than $7 million. Many Democrats want to repeal Bush's elimination of taxes on estates worth more than $1 million. Obama wants the exemption to be higher but has not yet said exactly where it should be set.

Obama's proposal would spend more money boosting technology in the health industry such as electronic record-keeping. His package would prohibit insurance companies from refusing coverage because of pre-existing conditions. It would also create a National Health Insurance Exchange to monitor insurance companies and limit their profits. Obama said the typical consumer would save $2,500 a year on premiums.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: gluke bastid]
    #6983728 - 05/29/07 09:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well, there's your answer. Money will be stolen from some to be given to others. Meanwhile, there will be a disincentive to brilliance and innovation. Thanks.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6983777 - 05/29/07 10:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
New York 2008: Clinton 50% Giuliani 29% Bloomberg 15%


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/new_york_2008_clinton_50_giuliani_29_bloomberg_15




I like Rudy but Hillary is going to win New York.

Without bloomberg I think Rudy could make it close, but i prey the RNC does not spend a dime in your state. (New York is a lost cause:sad:)




I call bullshit, that poll is valid only for this condition:
In the unlikely event that three New York politicians are on the Presidential ballot in 2008,
First line of the poll.
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It will come down to 3 states:

FL, OH, PA. Whoever gets 2 wins it.




I'm not so sure Wisconsin is lost and I'll be damned if I give up on NY if Rudy is the nominee.  You are right that those are the usual suspects, though.  Seriously, I don't think Hilary has a chance in hell against almost anybody.  I know Ron Kuby lefties who've told me they would vote Republican for the first time ever if the whore gets the nod, she is that hated.  She doesn't scare me a bit.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6984115 - 05/29/07 11:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
I’m so excited! I just can’t wait for Katrina Care.

...calls on government, businesses and consumers to share the costs of the program.

Obama conceded that the overall cost of the program would be high, while not providing a specific number....

Will the Government pay for my groceries, too.....

Because when they “take my money away for this”, I won’t have enough for food.


The plan also would put a heavy focus on preventing disease through lifestyle changes.




Meh. We're the only industrialized society on Earth that doesn't have UHC...and it can't possibly be worse than my HMO, so I'm all for it.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6984123 - 05/29/07 11:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




Easy. Stop handing Halliburton $86,000,000,000 every time they ask for it, and it's paid for. Badabing.


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: TGRR]
    #6985887 - 05/30/07 06:48 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

One of the few socialist platforms that I might support is health care. However, there is no way that it will ever work until the problems we have created with the current system are fixed. Liability must be limited for doctors. Malpractice insurance rates must be capped (assuming the liability limits don't do the job). The pharmaceutical market must be open to competition from foreign manufacturers. The patent system must be overhauled to encourage competition while protecting innovation. Pharmaceutical advertising must be stopped. The FDA must be gutted/fixed to remove corruption. etc. It makes no sense to tax the middle class to pay for health care for the poor so that the rich can get richer.

> Easy. Stop handing Halliburton $86,000,000,000 every time they ask for it, and it's paid for. Badabing.

*yawn*


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6985900 - 05/30/07 07:01 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




the richest 20 percent hold over 80 percent of the wealth

this would raise taxes on that top percent, and that money would be used to provide healthcare for people that would normally not be able to afford it


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Re: Obama offers universal health care plan [Re: SunshineSuperman]
    #6986562 - 05/30/07 12:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

SunshineSuperman said:
Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
and where is he going to get the money for this, im sick of politicians promising everything and delivering nothing.




the richest 20 percent hold over 80 percent of the wealth

this would raise taxes on that top percent, and that money would be used to provide healthcare for people that would normally not be able to afford it




Unfortunately the Democrats definition of Rich/Wealthy = Anyone not on public assistance


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