Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

General Interest > Science and Technology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |  [ show all ]
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7887765 -

Quote:
Almost all other galaxies have been observed to be moving away from us.


Our little expanding bubble might include all detectable galaxies.



Quote:
The law of conservation of energy is a property of our universe. It came into being as the universe did. There was no 'nothing' for the universe (something) to spring from. Time began as space began.


This assumes the big bang to be an uncaused first cause of everything, an event that began the physical universe that is itself not bound by the laws of physics. Big bang theory suffers the same philosophical problems as saying God created the universe.



Quote:
Just because we don't fully understand something does not mean it is magical.


I meant magical in the sense of explanation. If one cannot give a scientific explanation for the big bang, and one cannot, then other explanations appear magical. Magical in the sense of not natural.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: Asante]
    #7887867 -

As for myself, I believe in the following:

The Void is infinitely vast, there is no end to it. Contained within it is an infinite amount of energy. This energy cannot be lost, nor can extra energy come into being. This basic energy can come together and form manifestations of other forms of energy that are composed of it. In time however, these manifestations will fall apart again until the Void and the most basic energy remains.

Very very rarely, which means spread very thinly across the Void, there is a kind of super-manifestation. This is where a shitton of basic energy comes together and forms a Big Bang, which gives rise to a material universe with particles and light.

A Big Bang, like a star, is bound to certain size limits, lower and upper, to the amount of energy involved. Because given physical constants only allow limited manifestations, there is only a finite number of shapes and courses a Big Bang universe can take. And, also there is a finite number of Big Bang variations possible. Eventually the last bit created by any Big Bang shall dissolve into the Void once more.

Because time is infinite and change the only constant, what you get is that every possibility within every Big Bang, and every Big Bang itself, is manifest infinitely, both in time as in space.

And we're smack in the middle of that :awesome:

You have a sense that you're you. This particular sense may be present in an overwhelming number of lifeforms. You get to live all those lives over and over into infinity. Just like that everything that can possibly happen to Sodium silicate will happen to it infinitely, so will every possible life you can live be yours.

Everything which is possible is in a constant oscillation between existence and non-existence, and will be that forever. It goes for a particular rock, it goes for you in all of your guises, it goes for a thought, a pattern of protons in a star, for love, for a galaxy and it goes for any given Big Bang - eternal motion between being and not being.

Voila, eternal life, all your dreams will be fulfilled, discomfort is only temporary and the Adventure never ends!
Want fries with that?


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: Asante]
    #7887959 -

no, i don't want fries with that. :crankey:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: Asante]
    #7888297 -

Wiccan_Seeker said:
As for myself, I believe in the following:

Voila, eternal life, all your dreams will be fulfilled, discomfort is only temporary and the Adventure never ends!
Want fries with that?


Is this just your personal philosophical cosmology?

Or do you have some proof for these beliefs?


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7889647 -

No one can look past the Singularity and have proof, otherwise it wouldn't be a Singularity to begin with. One of us may be correct (I hope its me because I'd LOVE a universe of neverending experience) but we can never have certainty.

I've assumed a few givens that are not overly unreasonable in the light of contemporary science and logic supplied me with a Whole I can live with. The above post is an interpretation of part of what I believe in, typed out in a sleep deprived state :wink:

No one here has proof, if any of us knew what caused the big bang and could prove it, it would be an instant nobel prize.


If time is eternal and energy is in neverending flux within a finite set of possibilities, neverending reincarnation in all possible guises is the nature of everyone and everything that can possibly exist.
As for proof, science "isn't there yet" but it may very well go in that direction because there don't seem to be many directions an universe ultimately can take.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

Edited by Asante (01/16/08 06:53 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: Asante]
    #7889819 -

i think its quaint ol chaps, that we call it the "singularity" in the past tense. how do we know we aren't still in a singularity, a singularity that is just getting larger?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: sleepy]
    #7889929 -

Because thats not the definition of a singularity. How do we know we arent in a singularity? For starters, a singularity has infinite density and we do not have infinite density.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7890007 -

how do you know

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: sleepy]
    #7890077 -

Because thats how its defined... Words are invented by humans, and their definitions are invented by humans. The definition of singularity, as defined by humans, is necessarily a point of infinite density. If its not infinitely dense, its not a singularity... plain and simple.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7890095 -

Quote:
Our little expanding bubble might include all detectable galaxies.


Maybe, I just don't see a reason to believe in an 'expanding bubble' except to make a provision for rejecting the big bang theory.

Quote:
Quote:
The law of conservation of energy is a property of our universe. It came into being as the universe did. There was no 'nothing' for the universe (something) to spring from. Time began as space began.


This assumes the big bang to be an uncaused first cause of everything, an event that began the physical universe that is itself not bound by the laws of physics.


This is what's so fascinating about the big bang; everything we know about how things work in the universe (the laws of physics; "nothing happens without a cause") only apply to the universe. If the big bang had a cause, that cause is not part of our universe, because our universe did not exist.

Quote:
Big bang theory suffers the same philosophical problems as saying God created the universe.


Can you elaborate?

Quote:
I meant magical in the sense of explanation. If one cannot give a scientific explanation for the big bang, and one cannot, then other explanations appear magical. Magical in the sense of not natural.



Science is only what we know so far. There are undoubtedly phenomena in our universe we do not understand or do not know about; that does not mean they are not natural.


--------------------
Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7890099 -

yeah i know what it means but how do you know i'm not infinitely dense? i mean, you might say because i don't weigh an infinite amount, because if i did then i would cause the earth to wobble or something right? but the earth is also infinitely dense, so thats why it doesn't happen.

density is based on the assumption that all things are separate ya know, and you know what they say about assumptions. "assumption is the mother of invention" invention of bullshit ideas that is

Edited by sleepy (01/16/08 08:20 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: sleepy]
    #7890108 -

are you serious?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: maggotz]
    #7890128 -

phil lesh's guitar is plenty able to move galaxies

Edited by sleepy (01/16/08 08:52 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: sleepy]
    #7890187 -

:but i still could be right:

every genieous is derided in his time

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7890397 -

Quote:
Big bang theory suffers the same philosophical problems as saying God created the universe.



Can you elaborate?



When people say "God created the universe", a standard response is "Who created God?".

"The big bang is the source of all energy in the universe." - "What is the source of the big bang?"

The big bang is just an hypothesis, one that cannot account for anomalies, like "dark energy". It's not a fact like dinosaurs existed is a fact; there are no BigBang bones. There is just a whole lot of stuff flying through space in a pattern consistent with a large explosion. Big bounce can just as easily explain the pattern but it does not rely on positing a state of affairs which is impossible.

"infinite density" is not possible. It's just a trick of language and an indication that our theory has gone wrong.


--------------------
come together

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: Cubie]
    #7890412 -

Cubie said:
Sorry but but that's your opinion.and everyone knows what those are like. Everyone thinks in such differnt ways that 'you' couldn't imagin. How someone else thinks. So just because they have a better understanding doesn't make it wrong.







Yup


--------------------

Sid and Mr. Madhat <part one> A story by Cubie P. Cubensis
<> I WANNA SMOKE THIS BOWL <> <A comic by Cubie P. Cubensis>

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: Cubie]
    #7890451 -

This is probably my most favorite topic to think and talk about.  I could go on forever...  but then again that's the point :lol:.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7890476 -

"The big bang is the source of all energy in the universe." - "What is the source of the big bang?"
The big bang is not the source of all energy, its a process through which the universe went. Big bang theory makes no claims as to the source of the energy.

It's not a fact like dinosaurs existed is a fact; there are no BigBang bones.
Thats funny, because often the cosmic background radiation is directly compared to relics and fossils from the big bang.


"infinite density" is not possible. It's just a trick of language and an indication that our theory has gone wrong.
Your right its not possible. Its a limit. Similar to limits in math, as you go back in time farther and farther the density gets greater and greater. It never reaches infinity, but keeps approaching it. Infinity is the destination that the density approaches as the time goes backward in the bang. Thats what is meant by a singularity.

The same things happen in black holes. The closer and closer you get to the center the more space-time gets warped and the more the density approaches infinity.

Of course these kinds of things dont seem possible, but evidence supports it. Does the universe have to conform to an evolved species' intuition? Of course not.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7893348 -

you guys are not factoring in jesus


--------------------


∞
I am incapable of conceiving infinity, and yet I do not accept finity.
- Simone de Beauvoir -

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Beyond the Singularity - What do you think caused the Big Bang? [Re: snoot]
    #7893352 -

Ideally the more we learn about the nature of thing's, naturally the more we wonder.


--------------------


∞
I am incapable of conceiving infinity, and yet I do not accept finity.
- Simone de Beauvoir -

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |  [ show all ]

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

General Interest > Science and Technology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Big Bang Theory Busted By 33 Top Scientists
( 1 2 all )		 FrankieJustTrypt 5,769 27 08/06/11 11:17 PM
by cortex
* Am I missing something? Or is the big bang bullshit?
( 1 2 3 all )		 Flux 8,647 47 01/29/04 04:48 PM
by Shmoppy McGillicuddy
* Big Bang Theory Put To Test Jackal 999 6 06/19/03 08:18 PM
by whiterasta
* Nothing exists MushyMay 1,264 8 03/11/03 10:23 AM
by iconoclast
* Pink noise causing visual/auditory hallucinations
( 1 2 all )		 trendalM 7,296 38 06/12/03 06:40 PM
by Sev
* system instability caused by nvidia getforce 3 ti500 driver HidingInPlainSight 1,639 13 11/29/03 07:38 PM
by Le_Canard
* Is a time machine possible?
( 1 2 all )		 daba 4,847 28 12/08/03 12:43 PM
by cyrus
* 40 gram Trip (Relocated for alternate discussion) lnfectedMushroom 2,618 4 09/26/15 02:32 AM
by Salomon

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: trendal, automan, Northerner
5,851 topic views. 0 members, 8 guests and 3 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.033 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 16 queries.