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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said:
It will be interesting to see if the original version of events continues to unravel over time. Revelations like these are why I cautioned people earlier to reserve judgment until all the facts are in evidence.


Interestingly, in the transmission, after the "I'm coming to you" part and seconds before the "you will explode" part, the US ship states "you have not identified yourself" over the radio. So Iran's footage of their exchange can only take place after the supposed threat occured, yet in Iran's footage there is an objective and calm exchange of information, with the issue of the radio threat not being raised or hinted at.

There's been no footage or recording or even a claim from the US that the Iranian boats were questioned about the threat in their radio communication, and no radio response to the boats from the US has been implied by either party. I assume that after receiving a threat of attack you wouldn't ignore it and continue to exchange ship identification before just moving on. I also assume that regardless of where the transmission was coming from it's likely that someone else in the area might have heard it. Also, the Iranian boats should have also heard the threatening transmission, even if it didn't come from them.

Just some thoughts.

Edited by Disco Cat (01/14/08 03:10 AM)

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
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This just in..

Gulf prankster possible message source

1 hour, 32 minutes ago

CAIRO, Egypt - A threatening radio message at the end of a video showing Iranian patrol boats swarming near U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf may have come from a prankster rather than from the Iranian vessels, the Navy Times newspaper has reported.

A video and audio of the Jan. 6 incident in the Strait of Hormuz featured a man in accented English saying "I am coming to you. ... You will explode after ... minutes."

Cmdr. Lydia Robertson, spokeswoman for the Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, said the Navy was still trying to determine the source of the transmission but believed it was related to the Iranian actions.

"The Iranian boats were coming close to the ships, making aggressive maneuvers and objects were being dropped into the water," she told The Associated Press.

However, the Navy Times, a weekly newspaper published by the Gannett company, quoted several veteran sailors as speculating the transmission could have come from a heckler widely known among sailors in the region by the ethnically insulting term "the Filipino Monkey."

The newspaper, which serves the Navy community, said U.S. sailors in the Persian Gulf have heard the prankster — possibly more than one person — transmitting "insults and jabbering vile epithets" on unencrypted frequencies.

"Navy women — a helicopter pilot hailing a tanker, for example — who are overheard on the radio are said to suffer particularly degrading treatment," the newspaper said Sunday. "Several Navy ship drivers interviewed by Navy Times are raising the possibility that the Monkey, or an imitator, was indeed featured in that video."

U.S. Navy officials at Fifth Fleet headquarters in Bahrain could not immediately be reached for comment. However, Navy officials have said they were unsure where the transmission came from.

The threat, however, ratcheted up tensions in the incident, which began when Iranian patrol boats swarmed around three U.S. Navy vessels near Iranian waters in the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran has denied that its boats threatened the U.S. vessels and accused Washington of fabricating video and audio it released. Iran's government has released its own video, which appeared to be shot from a small boat bobbing at least yards from the American warships.

The Navy Times quoted Rick Hoffman, a retired captain, as saying a renegade talker repeatedly harassed ships in the Gulf in the late 1980s.

"For 25 years there's been this mythical guy out there who, hour after hour, shouts obscenities and threats," he said. "He could be tied up pierside somewhere or he could be on the bridge of a merchant ship," Hoffman said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080114/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us_navy_5

If he is the source of the audio I bet he's laughing his ass off right now.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
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I called it:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7844509#Post7844509

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: johnm214]
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"For 25 years there's been this mythical guy out there who, hour after hour, shouts obscenities and threats"


Can anyone vouch for zap's whereabouts? :grin:


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
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I'm in your apartment wearing your girlfriend out.

Not for nothing but this doesn't exactly say anything:

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However, the Navy Times, a weekly newspaper published by the Gannett company, quoted several veteran sailors as speculating the transmission could have come from a heckler widely known among sailors in the region by the ethnically insulting term "the Filipino Monkey."


Iranian speedboats buzzed navy vessels in provocation. It happened. Get over it.

Somehow, mystically and by completely separate channels, some whack job, accidentally and with no coordination, at the same time sent them a radio directed bomb threat. Just who's being a gullible tool here?


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm in your apartment wearing your girlfriends outfits

Go Zap!:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (01/14/08 02:02 PM)

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Icelander]
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Some of them are a little baggy, dude. Your girlfriend is fat fat fat.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I'm in your apartment wearing your girlfriends outfits

Go Zap!:thumbup:


:rofl2:


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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Somehow, mystically and by completely separate channels, some whack job, accidentally and with no coordination, at the same time sent them a radio directed bomb threat.


Who said anything about "accidently" or "coordination"? Can you not comprehend how some local idiot infamous for monitoring ship-to-ship radio traffic and then jumping in with insults and epithets may be the culprit for the radio transmission? Is this guy your long-lost brother or something?

Just who's being a gullible tool here?

Yourself.

You have gotten so far out in front of this developing story it will be funny if your limb gets sawed off completely and you go SPLAT! :grin:


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said:
You have gotten so far out in front of this developing story it will be funny if your limb gets sawed off completely and you go SPLAT! :grin:


It never gets old, does it? :thumbup: And it's happened at least once in this thread already  :congrats:

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said:
Just who's being a gullible tool here?




You are if you think this means anything at all:

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However, the Navy Times, a weekly newspaper published by the Gannett company, quoted several veteran sailors as speculating the transmission could have come from a heckler widely known among sailors in the region by the ethnically insulting term "the Filipino Monkey."


You will swallow anything as fact as long as it contradicts an "official" announcement. Knee jerk means YOU.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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You will swallow anything as fact as long as it contradicts an "official" announcement.

You are so silly.

I have not come down on one side or the other. You jumped the gun and made up your mind before all the facts were in. If you want unquestioning acceptance of official accounts I suggest you move to China.

President Bush could eat a live baby on tv and the next day you'd be looking for filet de' enfant in the grocery store.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
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yeah really,

zap I think everyone knows this story is very unclear. All we know is that some jackasses were driving around US ships in dinky boats and a threatening message was recieved. Yes, I'd be surprised if the two weren't related, but its not impossible.

Either way Iran has a history of these histrionics, and it just may bite them in the ass one day.

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