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OfflineMushmonkey
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7855929 - 01/09/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You're damned right I meant it mockingly.

There's no way they found squirrels fitted with spy gear.

It's much safer, more cost-effective, and easier to just throw a mic somewhere on somebody's person and have them walk around. Or have them stick it into a tree, if parks are what you want to spy on.


Honestly think to yourself what possible reason anybody would have to gather intel randomly and wantonly via squirrels. You're NOT going to get anything useful. It's too wide a net. It's too expensive.

We tried it with a cat in the 60s? O..k..? Back in the 60s the CIA was spending money left and right on hairbrained ideas with no basis in reality and absolutely no practical value.. acoustic kitty is just one of the funnier ones to remember, because 20 million bucks was immediately crushed under a taxi.


Iran did not capture squirrels spying on them. That's the dumbest shit I have ever heard in my life. No.. seriously. Ever.

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zorbman said:
Didn't Bush pardon a turkey last year?





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Don't intentionally be stupid.

It's become a tradition for the US President, every thanksgiving, to give one turkey a full presidential pardon. Harry Truman started it in 1947.

Yes, GW pardoned a turkey last year.

And the year before that.
And the year before that.
In fact, he's pardoned a turkey every year he's been in office.

So has every single president since 1947.


This isn't Caligula appointing his horse a consul. This is not a show of power and/or insanity. This is a silly tradition and nothing more.

It's certainly not on par with declaring that secret CIA squirrels have been spying on you, either.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7855950 - 01/09/08 08:31 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Sense of humor optional.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
    #7855988 - 01/09/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)



Iran is full of nutjobs


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #7856066 - 01/09/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I think my guy can take him:



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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
    #7856438 - 01/09/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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I think my guy can take him:







so cute/awesome!


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7858702 - 01/10/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Disco Cat said:
Regardless, it's a grossly incompetent move, stupid to the max.

Iran claims they used file footage, which I assume is old footage. Without a match up of audio and video we have zero evidence that this picture correlates to the claimed event.
They might as well have released footage of an old man feeding ducks at a pond.





To you, I'm sure it would have made no difference. To rational thinking human beings I expect a different reception. Say, Rosie, can you tell us again how fire can't melt steel.




The illogic therein (something we get used to with your drivel) is that the video footage didn't do what it was supposed to do, which is back up their claim. Showing separate audio and video of the important factor, when we know it would be filmed if it happened, is akin to a person holding up a book with the word "answers" on it, claiming they have the answers, but not letting anyone look inside the book. To say that this is enough for the majority of people is a deep insult to them.

So it looks like we add "rational" to the list of words you've used without knowing the definition of.
Again, I'm not arguing Iran's side, but merely pointing out the shortcoming of the tape released via rational (as per the dictionary definition) thought, as opposed to the duds that happen in the undesirable thing you must call your brain.
Now climb back aboard the short bus and take your medication like a good little retardo (You are a good one, arent' you?) and I'm sure the nurse will be happy to tell you more fairy tales of Iranian nukes, and of oil being inconsequential to Russia's power.

Next time just don't assume the majority of people as being as unintelligent as you clearly are, and you (yes, even you) should do ok, kemosabe.


Ad hominems are fun, eh zapwannabe? How awful for you, being someone who's got nothing else to rely on, that you're about as good at them at them as you are at not being a mental putz. Zappa would write you off as a loser, in any case, so you should stop pretending.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7858884 - 01/10/08 11:34 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Disco Cat said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Disco Cat said:
Regardless, it's a grossly incompetent move, stupid to the max.

Iran claims they used file footage, which I assume is old footage. Without a match up of audio and video we have zero evidence that this picture correlates to the claimed event.
They might as well have released footage of an old man feeding ducks at a pond.





To you, I'm sure it would have made no difference. To rational thinking human beings I expect a different reception. Say, Rosie, can you tell us again how fire can't melt steel.




The illogic therein (something we get used to with your drivel) is that the video footage didn't do what it was supposed to do, which is back up their claim. Showing separate audio and video of the important factor, when we know it would be filmed if it happened, is akin to a person holding up a book with the word "answers" on it, claiming they have the answers, but not letting anyone look inside the book. To say that this is enough for the majority of people is a deep insult to them.




There is not one thing that would satisfy you. The video was shot from on deck and the message was received in the radio room. Are you daft? If they were both actually on the same tape it would be suspect. You must think the world is a movie set. Not surprising given your easily led nature.
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So it looks like we add "rational" to the list of words you've used without knowing the definition of.
Again, I'm not arguing Iran's side,




Um, yes, you are. Since that is the Iranian side, you are obviously doing exactly that.
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but merely pointing out the shortcoming of the tape released via rational (as per the dictionary definition) thought, as opposed to the duds that happen in the undesirable thing you must call your brain.




Rational people are capable of making judgments without 100% stone cold evidence, which is an impossibility (that's the rational part, in case you didn't know). That's why criminal proceedings are held to a "beyond reasonable doubt" standard and not "absolute certainty" standard. "Absolute certainty" is a fantasy, as any rational person knows.
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Now climb back aboard the short bus and take your medication like a good little retardo (You are a good one, arent' you?) and I'm sure the nurse will be happy to tell you more fairy tales of Iranian nukes, and of oil being inconsequential to Russia's power.

Next time just don't assume the majority of people as being as unintelligent as you clearly are, and you (yes, even you) should do ok, kemosabe.


Ad hominems are fun, eh zapwannabe? How awful for you that you're about as good at them at them as you are at not being a mental putz. Zappa would write you off, in any case, so you should stop pretending.




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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7858886 - 01/10/08 11:34 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

You're damned right I meant it mockingly.
There's no way they found squirrels fitted with spy gear.
It's much safer, more cost-effective, and easier to just throw a mic somewhere on somebody's person and have them walk around. Or have them stick it into a tree, if parks are what you want to spy on.



Don't be intentionally arrogant. Still not claiming the story's validity here, but it should be obvious that audio equippment is neither 60's priced or sized these days. Fitting 14 squirrels with mics won't even cost $50 G, and releasing said squirrels over a wall into a gov't building's courtyard to inhabit its trees could be of benefit. It takes playing dumb not to be able to imagine a scenario where such a device has benefit, and where sticking mics in trees, or having your people walk around with them, is inapplicable.

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Honestly think to yourself what possible reason anybody would have to gather intel randomly and wantonly via squirrels. You're NOT going to get anything useful. It's too wide a net. It's too expensive.
We tried it with a cat in the 60s? O..k..? Back in the 60s the CIA was spending money left and right on hairbrained ideas with no basis in reality and absolutely no practical value.. acoustic kitty is just one
of the funnier ones to remember, because 20 million bucks was immediately crushed under a taxi.



Yeah, I get it, you thought by being emphatic you'd sound more authorative, yet while simultaneously having no basis of knowledge for what it might cost and failing to imaginge a scenario where your alternate methods were inapplicable.
Also, the acoustic kitty isn't a CIA example, and nothing in Iran's claim mentioned anything about CIA squirrels.

For the whatevereth time, not assuming anything about the squirrel report, but your argument isn't an argument for the above stated reasons of cost and scenario application.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7858980 - 01/10/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:


So it looks like we add "rational" to the list of words you've used without knowing the definition of.
Again, I'm not arguing Iran's side,




Um, yes, you are. Since that is the Iranian side, you are obviously doing exactly that.




No, you're just used to being a wretch who views everything as us vs them, good vs evil, win vs lose, and so you expect other people would be of similarly low quality and intelligence, making repeated fools of themselves as you do yourself.
I don't believe the Iranian side. But it takes someone stupid to think that the media release was a smoking gun for the US' claim. Clearly it was enough for you. Again, your assumption that others are going to be as poor quality human beings as you are blinds your judgement, as it did into thinking that I was arguing for Iran.


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Rational people are capable of making judgments without 100% stone cold evidence, which is an impossibility (that's the rational part, in case you didn't know). That's why criminal proceedings are held to a "beyond reasonable doubt" standard and not "absolute certainty" standard. "Absolute certainty" is a fantasy, as any rational person knows.



Correction, rational people are capable of making sound judegemts without %100 evidence, you are not.

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@ zapwannabe:
Now climb back aboard the short bus and take your medication like a good little retardo (You are a good one, arent' you?) and I'm sure the nurse will be happy to tell you more fairy tales of Iranian nukes, and of oil being inconsequential to Russia's power.

Next time just don't assume the majority of people as being as unintelligent as you clearly are, and you (yes, even you) should do ok, kemosabe.


Ad hominems are fun, eh zapwannabe? How awful for you that you're about as good at them at them as you are at not being a mental putz. Zappa would write you off, in any case, so you should stop pretending.



QFT

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I am smarter than you. By a lot.



Yeah, el oh el etc. Let's be serious here. You simply can't afford to play a game of wits. It's a good thing people like you will never be anything more than armchair delinquents.

It's clear that you enjoy pretending you're delivering lines akin to Frank Zappa's own, but you're a miserable imitator, and FZ didn't pathetically and deperately reach for opportunity to show off skills he didn't have, as you do. The man would spit on you for being the loser you are.

If you can't gauge that holding a book labeled "answer" isn't the same thing as seeing the answer for yourself, then you can't gauge intelligence either. You've just shown that. Again. Put down the keyboard, you're done. Have a nap.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7858992 - 01/10/08 11:51 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7859075 - 01/10/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Showing separate audio and video of the important factor, when we know it would be filmed if it happened

You never fail to amaze me, DC. Just when I thought you couldn't come up with anything more absurd than the last thing you said, you manage to say something more absurd:

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There is not one thing that would satisfy you. The video was shot from on deck and the message was received in the radio room. Are you daft? If they were both actually on the same tape it would be suspect.




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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
    #7859197 - 01/10/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Ah, the brain-fried retired guy rears his head in another desperate grab at revenge for having been shown to be incapable of putting two and two together in several previous debates.
It'd be more impactful if you could work from your own thoughts, but I understand that's rarely a viable prospect of yours. Now if you go back to the video, whether it's in the bridge or the radio room we have footage of the person on the radio calling for the boats to identify themeslves. Obviously there is going to be footage of the moment when the transmission came through.
Yes, yet again you were eager to jump up in desperation at the thought of delivering a jab without first turning on your brain. That's a terribly bad habit of yours.


So anyway, here's Iran's video release of the incident:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ce8_1199961781


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7859202 - 01/10/08 12:27 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Wow, and you talk about ad hominems. :tongue:


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
    #7859227 - 01/10/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Wow, you try to play off the ineptitude of your previous assertion which I just put on display. Maybe if you don't speak up with substanceless banter I can address whatever info you might present instead of reminding your how faulty your approach and motive is.

You've heard the expression "if you play with fire you might get burnt," well, you've habitually liked to do hit and run igniting (due to bitter revenge purposes,I assume), and then cry foul because it comes back on you. Why don't you grow up and/or put the pot down, because you would do well to be able to accept when you were wrong and not carry around a desire for retribution that clouds your senses.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7859278 - 01/10/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Direct answer please:

In light of Zap's pointing out that the video and the audio MUST come from two different sources because they were recorded in two different locations on the ship, do you still consider the provided tapes bogus because the two information streams (audio and video) are on separate tapes?

Do you agree that if they somehow WERE provided on a single media, then THAT would make it suspect and not the other way around?


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
    #7859291 - 01/10/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I never considered the tape bogus, I said it was stupid not to release the only thing that mattered, which was a combination of the audio and video - the possibility of which I addressed directly:

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Disco Cat said:
Now if you go back to the video, whether it's in the bridge or the radio room we have footage of the person on the radio calling for the boats to identify themeslves. Obviously there is going to be footage of the moment when the transmission came through.





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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7859300 - 01/10/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I don't understand what you're saying.

Are you saying that someone recording in the radio room and someone recording up on the deck of the ship should both end up with the same recording?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
    #7859309 - 01/10/08 12:53 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4115702&page=1

In this ABC News report, a Navy Admiral isn't even sure where the voice came from.

The comments section on it is pretty funny.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7859315 - 01/10/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

There's no way to know for sure where the voice came from, but I don't think it's a coincidence that it just happened to come when the speedboats were darting around and dropping boxes in the path of the ship.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
    #7859331 - 01/10/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
I don't understand what you're saying.

Are you saying that someone recording in the radio room and someone recording up on the deck of the ship should both end up with the same recording?




There isn't someone standing in those locations with a video camera. There are automated cameras constantly recording everything in many areas on the ship. We know there is a camera recording where the radio communication between the US and Iranian boats is taking place, we see it for ourselves. Therefore, if this transmission really came through, there will be a video recording of it as it comes, while it is received. We will see the moments before, when the guy on the radio sends a request for them to identify themselves (which is shown on one of the videos), and we will see the moments when the audio is received. The camera cuts away before we see the moments when the transmission is received, and instead the audio is presented as a seperate file. Not the most logical way to present things. In fact, it's very sketchy.


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