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johnm214



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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: YidakiMan]
#7852754 - 01/09/08 09:22 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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YidakiMan said: ya know squirrel spies are funny but have you ever heard of Operation Acoustic Kitty?
1. cat's are sociable around people 2. people pet cats 3. cat's don't hide out in trees
and: "The first cat mission was eavesdropping on two men in a park outside the Soviet compound on Wisconsin Avenue in Washington, D.C.. The cat was released nearby, but was hit and killed by a taxi almost immediately. Shortly thereafter the project was considered a failure and declared to be a total loss." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: johnm214]
#7852784 - 01/09/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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You forgot to mention that they put the transmitter in its tail!
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: johnm214]
#7853039 - 01/09/08 10:52 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Redstorm said:
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jasonpwnd said: i would rather blindly distrust until facts are shown from which i can make my own decisions, than to blindly throw my allegiance to the place i was coincidentally born in.
Blind belief in anything is the sign of a weak mind,
Well, he was talking about blind disbelief, which wasn't actually blind, since he identified the reason for disbelief as not trusting the source. But whatever.
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johnm214 said:
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YidakiMan said: ya know squirrel spies are funny but have you ever heard of Operation Acoustic Kitty?
1. cat's are sociable around people 2. people pet cats 3. cat's don't hide out in trees
and: "The first cat mission was eavesdropping on two men in a park outside the Soviet compound on Wisconsin Avenue in Washington, D.C.. The cat was released nearby, but was hit and killed by a taxi almost immediately. Shortly thereafter the project was considered a failure and declared to be a total loss." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty
Hilarious. You're trying to justify fitting a cat with espionage equipment, a cat which wasn't even specifically situated, but just let out in the open... while holding that it couldn't be true for a squirrel - without having a slight clue beyond a few self-deduced points.
I'm not saying that I've made any assumptions on the validity of the squirrel story, but it seems you're just too eager for a chance to say booya against Iran, if this is what you're resorting to.
It's really irrelevant that cats don't climb trees, etc. The squirrels were said to be fitted with mics. I might question whether it was really for spying, but there's nothing doubtworthy of the idea that they found something. And if it was a dumb idea to fit squirrels with audio equipment, well... it wasn't Iran's.
Spinning this brief report into proof of Iran being crazy is a huge "sign of a weak mind." Fr srs, there's just no substance there to be had, it's a case of "everybody point your finger and laugh and pretend." Brilliant, very convincing, if you've got a weak mind.
Now while I thought it to be a very good possibility the US story against the Iranian boats would turn out to be true, I also found it quite possible to separate the information from a sense of personal validation. Thinking objectively is a skill some people here lack. Saying Iran possesses no reason or logic, because they are crazy, because they found rigged squirrels, would be truthfully batshit crazy - but I assume Mushmonkey meant it mockingly and not 100% seriously (however you appear to take it completely seriously, since you're defending that train of thought). Again, thinking objectively (+logic) is a skill some people here simply don't appear to have.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
#7853336 - 01/09/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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well the lead story on CNN now is about the encounter.
"The Pentagon released dramatic video of Sunday's encounter, which occurred in the narrow channel critical to the shipment of oil from the Persian Gulf. Iran's navy said the video was faked, according to state-run media."
So it basically all comes down now to whether or not u think the U.S. military faked a video.
I don't think we had video of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
#7853610 - 01/09/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I bet that the ships weren't even Iranian. They were probably just some drug smuggler's speedboats or something.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: xFrockx]
#7853668 - 01/09/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Probably hard to pass off a war/battleship with a speedboat.
Although I'd imagine, on video, it would be easy to forge the audio of the message that was sent.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
#7853681 - 01/09/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Iran says US navy video is 'clumsy fake' 8 hours ago
TEHRAN (AFP) — Iran accused the United States on Wednesday of "clumsily" fabricating footage claiming to show Iranian speedboats harassing US ships, as Washington issued a new warning to its archfoe on the first day of a Middle East visit by President George W. Bush.
"The pictures that the Pentagon broadcast of the naval incident are file pictures and the voices have all been fabricated," the Fars news agency quoted a senior commander in the Revolutionary Guards as saying.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
#7853755 - 01/09/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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WTF is the Iranian national guard doing in a speedboat running up to a warhsip and threatening it?
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
#7853768 - 01/09/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
#7853801 - 01/09/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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They showed the motion of the speedboats in the "altercation" it just looked like they were passing by the US warships and some of them moved around either side of the 3 U.S. ships. It hardly looked like any display of aggression, their own video is a testament to how retarded the claims are that Iran was the aggressor here. In the video itself they say on radio that they didn't know the identity of the ships, what changed after they left?
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Seuss]
#7853827 - 01/09/08 01:56 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Seuss said: The entire thing sounds like a recon mission by Iran to see how the US navy responds to new tactics. Iran now knows how quickly the US ships can move to evade obstacles, how quickly the US navy reacts to incoming threats, how close speedboats can get to US navy ships before being engaged, etc. Valuable information to have on your opponent.
yep and we should have sunk them!
Phred said: "the commander on the scene was derelict in his duty and should be relieved of command instantly, if not court-martialed."
yep
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: YidakiMan]
#7853951 - 01/09/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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YidakiMan said: You forgot to mention that they put the transmitter in its tail!
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7854463 - 01/09/08 03:55 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Luddite]
#7855200 - 01/09/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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So why does the video footage switch from showing the bridge when the radio trasmission comes on? We can hear the response of the guy at the radio, why don't they show it? It seems the combination of sight and sound would be the only way to prove it.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
#7855219 - 01/09/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Disco Cat said: So why does the video footage switch from showing the bridge when the radio trasmission comes on?
To fuck with your head, dude, that's why they do everything.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
#7855248 - 01/09/08 06:26 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Regardless, it's a grossly incompetent move, stupid to the max.
Iran claims they used file footage, which I assume is old footage. Without a match up of audio and video we have zero evidence that this picture correlates to the claimed event. They might as well have released footage of an old man feeding ducks at a pond.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
#7855308 - 01/09/08 06:40 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Disco Cat said: Regardless, it's a grossly incompetent move, stupid to the max.
Iran claims they used file footage, which I assume is old footage. Without a match up of audio and video we have zero evidence that this picture correlates to the claimed event. They might as well have released footage of an old man feeding ducks at a pond.
To you, I'm sure it would have made no difference. To rational thinking human beings I expect a different reception. Say, Rosie, can you tell us again how fire can't melt steel.
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
#7855360 - 01/09/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Disco Cat said:
Hilarious. You're trying to justify fitting a cat with espionage equipment, a cat which wasn't even specifically situated, but just let out in the open... while holding that it couldn't be true for a squirrel - without having a slight clue beyond a few self-deduced points.
I'm not saying that I've made any assumptions on the validity of the squirrel story, but it seems you're just too eager for a chance to say booya against Iran, if this is what you're resorting to.
I'm too eager to criticize Iran? Cuz they claim to have found spy squirrels?
Untill proven otherwise, anyone claiming that the squirrles are spying on them should be viewed as crazy. Good rule for life
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: johnm214]
#7855402 - 01/09/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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johnm214 said: anyone claiming that the squirrles are spying on them should be viewed as crazy. Good rule for life
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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: johnm214]
#7855740 - 01/09/08 07:48 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Didn't Bush pardon a turkey last year?
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