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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> Right but you keep equating the government of Iran with a

The government of Iran is not like governments that we are used to seeing. Iran's way of working is "fractured" where the various parts of the government do not know what the other parts are doing, nor do they share common goals or interests.


Suess is right, Iran is a republic and its cadres are assigned to different tasks that dont always take their cues from the ayatollahs or ameninjad, These boats were trying to antagonize a response from the americans obviously. Cooler heads prevailed and their wasnt any hostility.

BTW, America has much of a right to international waters as any other country.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: jasonpwnd]
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jasonpwnd said:
Now I'm remembering why I hate the politcal threads.. Everyone and no one is right.


Indeed. A complete waste of time. Well, at least nobody gets killed in internet forums.

Video and audio recordings are available from the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7177946.stm


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Ohh no, the Iranians stuck their tongues out at me. :emocry:

Maybe if America wasn't looking for trouble, they wouldn't get it. :shrug:


We should nuke em. Lets hit em with everything we got. We been waiting for this.:thumbup: Then we can have their women. (except for the virgins in heaven of course)


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Icelander]
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Are you fucking kidding me? Have you seen their women?


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Are you fucking kidding me? Have you seen their women?


I've heard they have beautiful eyes.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: YidakiMan]
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If you like dull, lifeless mud.

Saw something that might be of some small explanation for what seems like near suicidal behavior by the Iran.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2548

Quote:
The most prominent expression of this doctrine was a series of naval battles with the U.S. Navy in April 1988. These took place during the final phases of the Iran-Iraq War, when hopelessly outclassed Iranian forces battled U.S. naval units in the Persian Gulf. Iran incurred heavy losses in the process. The experience taught Iran that large naval vessels are vulnerable to air and missile attacks, confirmed the efficacy of small boat operations, and spurred interest in missile-armed fast-attack craft. It also allowed Iran to expand the use of swarming tactics that form the foundation of its current approach to asymmetric naval warfare.




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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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gulf of tonkin redux

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Given your history of fallacious alarmist nonsense I would venture to guess


NOT


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zorbman]
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well the video clearly shows two speedboats coming way too fuckin close to our warships. crazy motherfuckers are lucky to be alive, of course they were prolly hoping for 100 virgins.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: sparks8]
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sparks8 said:
well the video clearly shows two speedboats coming way too fuckin close to our warships. crazy motherfuckers are lucky to be alive, of course they were prolly hoping for 100 virgins.


Why are they lucky to be alive?

They have the right to be in international waters, too, right?

:smirk:

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: kidaihuan]
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kidaihuan said:
sparks8 said:
well the video clearly shows two speedboats coming way too fuckin close to our warships. crazy motherfuckers are lucky to be alive, of course they were prolly hoping for 100 virgins.


Why are they lucky to be alive?

They have the right to be in international waters, too, right?

:smirk:


cuz we're america man, and we'll blow your fucking ass out of the water. do not...fuck with us.





























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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Syle]
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These Persians should have been destroyed on the spot. Could have been suiciders looking to poke holes into some ships.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: jasonpwnd]
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jasonpwnd said:
OK my bad, here's the down low on international waters in case you were wondering.

Just so you know neither Iran, nor the U.S. has ratified the UN's Law of the Sea, which entails all laws regarding the waters near and abroad. So according to both countries those waters were not international.



"The United States strongly objected to the provisions of Part XI of the Convention on several grounds, saying that the treaty is unfavorable to America's economy and security. The US felt that the provisions of the treaty were not free-market friendly and were designed to favor the economic systems of the Communist states. The US also felt that the provisions might result in the ISA becoming a bloated and expensive bureaucracy due to a combination of large revenues and insufficient control over what the revenues could be used for.

Due to Part XI, the US refused to ratify the UNCLOS, although it expressed agreement with the remaining provisions of the Convention. Even though the United States is not a party to the treaty, it considers many of the remaining provisions as binding as customary international law."


No, we DO recognize those waters as international.  The concept of "international waters" extends back FAR before there even was a UN.  It's a *centuries-old* concept straight from the very same European traditions that..  oh hey that created this nation.


Disco Cat said:
And a semi-amusing blog rant:And a semi-amusing blog rant:


Welcome to the Grand Guignol.

The only question to be asked is, “Are the American people as stupid as they have shown themselves to be in recent times?” What have we here? Five little motorboats appear- or so we’ve been told- to have threatened 3 United States Navy warships. I’m waiting to hear about another related but under-reported event which involved a handful of Iranian schoolboys throwing rocks at a Navy submarine. This event seems to have resulted in the submarine coming within minutes of launching a Tomahawk missile at the boys. The ship’s commander, who remains anonymous as does everyone reporting on everything concerning all of these incidents, said that the crew of the submarine felt gravely threatened by the boys and that several of them had to receive onboard counseling.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uss_cole

Bloggers often skimp on actual facts and historical precedent so they can rant louder and more ridiculously.

Load a speed boat up with explosives and run it into a ship -- well gee, that boat's holding more explosives than a torpedo!  I bet it'd make a big kaboom.


Diploid said:
For all those taking Iran's side in this: Speculate about what Iran's goal was with doing this in the first place.

What exactly were they trying to accomplish? Do they think we're going to drop everything and pull out of that part of the world now that they scared us?


I refuse your challenge based on the fact that Iran is fucking insane and thus it is an impossibility to apply reasoning and logic to their actions.

I submit this old story as proof.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12131243

Iran announced it captured 14 secret spy squirrels.

I do not believe that a country that would actually announce to the world that it believes it captured squirrels secretly equipped with equipment to spy on them -- and which I can only presume gathered us unrivaled intel into the secret lives of iranian trees and nut-hiding-holes -- would have any reason to do anything that any of us could even begin to fathom.
I wouldn't be shocked if they announced they believe the US is responsible for poop.  by which I do mean feces.  THEY ARE BAT-SHIT INSANE.


kidaihuan said:
Why are they lucky to be alive?

They have the right to be in international waters, too, right?

:smirk:


I'd be willing to bet that there is a distance defined somewhere that vessels must keep unless permitted to approach closer, in the interests of not blowing up cruise ships mistaken for pirate ships..  or at the VERY least in order to prevent collisions of ships in international waters.
I'd further bet that the distance is a fair sight longer than 200 yards.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Mushmonkey]
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Great post.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Mushmonkey]
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That post has everything, legal research, reasoned opinions/ thoughful commentary, and tree-born espionage of the squirrel variety.


+5

" do not believe that a country that would actually announce to the world that it believes it captured squirrels secretly equipped with equipment to spy on them -- and which I can only presume gathered us unrivaled intel into the secret lives of iranian trees and nut-hiding-holes..."

priceless

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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The_Red_Crayon said:
Seuss said:
> Right but you keep equating the government of Iran with a

The government of Iran is not like governments that we are used to seeing.  Iran's way of working is "fractured" where the various parts of the government do not know what the other parts are doing, nor do they share common goals or interests.


Suess is right, Iran is a republic and its cadres are assigned to different tasks that dont always take their cues from the ayatollahs or ameninjad, These boats were trying to antagonize a response from the americans obviously. Cooler heads prevailed and their wasnt any hostility.

BTW, America has much of a right to international waters as any other country.


:thumbup:

seems like people would rather give Iranian boats "making threats" the benefit of the doubt over American ships who didn't fire and exercised restraint. seems logical to me :rolleyes:

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: KillerPicklez]
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iranians should stay in the desert where they belong

any iranian ship is a pirate ship


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: kidaihuan]
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> Why are they lucky to be alive?

Because they "buzzed" a naval war ship. It is kind of like shooting a tiger with a sling shot... not too difficult of a concept to grasp.

> I'd be willing to bet that there is a distance defined somewhere that vessels must keep unless permitted to approach closer

We had a US Navy Destroyer dock on island shortly (few days) after the Cole attack. We were told that anybody that got within 500 meters of the destroyer would be sunk.


The entire thing sounds like a recon mission by Iran to see how the US navy responds to new tactics. Iran now knows how quickly the US ships can move to evade obstacles, how quickly the US navy reacts to incoming threats, how close speedboats can get to US navy ships before being engaged, etc. Valuable information to have on your opponent.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: jasonpwnd]
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jasonpwnd said:
i would rather blindly distrust until facts are shown from which i can make my own decisions, than to blindly throw my allegiance to the place i was coincidentally born in.


Blind belief in anything is the sign of a weak mind,

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Redstorm]
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ya know squirrel spies are funny but have you ever heard of Operation Acoustic Kitty?

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