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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: jasonpwnd]
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exactly this -> they established the point that they don't want us there.

Duh. They get the Captain Obvious award then.

And the Captain Stoopid award too, for thinking this will do anything other than bring MORE US military attention to them, not less. It will also bolster the Bush argument for invading them.

Stoopid Muslims? No surprise there. :shrug:

i for one have never heard of heat seeking boxes

Ever hear of a mine?

Remember reading news about the USS Cole?

No?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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So what you're saying is that if our government pulled a false-flag operation and had one someone record whatever as evidence, and they said, "see, here is your proof this was the evil Iranians," you guys would just bend over and go "duh, okay."  :flowstone:  Dumb sons of bitches.  We'll trust the war-hawks when it has been observed throughout history that they lie and manipulate us into believing what they want us to in order to have their wars.

I'm not saying it didn't go down as the U.S. reports, but rather that it is too early to tell with any certainty, and that one is foolish and ignorant to blindly believe either way.

And Diploid, as per what you wrote, what do you think Iran's motives were assuming it happened as the U.S. reports?

In your speculation you keep equating the government of Iran with a suicide terrorist.  It is nonsensical and asinine to believe that the Iranian government wants a conflict with the United States.  Yes, they will send a few little motor-bomb-boats over to coax the U.S. into destroying their country.  Your logic is fuzzy.


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"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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Nobody knows why they did it(except maybe you), that's why I made a speculation.

and oh damn I've never heard of mines, they must be some new thing that isn't an explosive, like I just said and you quoted.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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The current President of Iran is a confrontational poseur who is quite capable of ordering this. You are a knee jerk anti-American. Your repetition of the false Bush-lied meme does not make it any truer now than it was before. Thankfully you are not now, nor is there much chance you ever will be, in a position of responsibility of the magnitude of any one of those sailors.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: jasonpwnd]
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Now I'm remembering why I hate the politcal threads.. Everyone and no one is right.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: jasonpwnd]
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I'm right. Always.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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:topicsucks: until we know more - and stop trying to tell everyone who is right when we don't know, we're all just taking shots in the dark so chill.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: jasonpwnd]
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and oh damn I've never heard of mines

It didn't seem to me that you had considering your comment.

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even if they were full of explosives - we would have to have be pretty close to get harmed by them


These boxes were dropped in the path of the ship. Had an alert sailor not seen them, the ship could well have run into them. And 200 yards doesn't take long to cover in a boat besides. A few seconds at most.

So again, as with your apparent non-knowledge of mines, you also have no knowledge of what superstitious Islamic morons did to the USS Cole with a boat.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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So what you're saying is that you don't really care what the truth of the situation is.

If I am a "knee-jerk anti-American" then you are a dimwitted, hardheaded, overly patriotic, ignorant dipshit who would fall for the same trick endless times. I love America. I despise ill-informed, knee-jerk paranoid, I'll-believe-whatever-you-say-without-question-uncle-sam, preemptive bullshit peddling, warmongers like yourself.

It's good to think critically of your government. History has shown how we have been mislead into wars, yet you are unable to accept that American politicians could ever do such a thing....


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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I put it 95-5 that the Navy is telling the truth. I said nothing about it until there was a drumbeat of loons seemingly taking the exact opposite position, which position I find to be revelatory of a particular bias not born of experience, just bent.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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the Cole was attacked from a small boat by Al-Qaida[citation needed] suicide bombers, while she was harbored


different story there.

And im sorry for not knowing the explosion range of an unknown sized box in the water. We can't all be as knowledgable as you, I mean you must be a scholar, how else would you have such unbiased opinions/knowledge of the muslims as a whole community??
:whatever:


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I put it 95-5 that the Navy is telling the truth. I said nothing about it until there was a drumbeat of loons seemingly taking the exact opposite position, which position I find to be revelatory of a particular bias not born of experience, just bent.


I'll concur given the fact that Iran has been involved in so much shit ever since they helped with the bombing of the U.S. marine barracks in the previous Lebanon war in the 80's... yet continue to deny their involvement in everything.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: zappaisgod]
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Quote:
I put it 95-5 that the Navy is telling the truth. I said nothing about it until there was a drumbeat of loons seemingly taking the exact opposite position, which position I find to be revelatory of a particular bias not born of experience, just bent.


You could be absolutely correct, however I am doubtful.

Why would the Iranians do this?

It is extremely obvious who would lose in an U.S.-Iran conflict. Iran does not want any excuse for the U.S. to invade and occupy them, which is precisely what the U.S. reports imply they are trying to do.

Do you seriously think that Iran is baiting America into invading them? I speculate that the U.S. wants to be involved with Iran. I know that Iran does not want to be conquered by the U.S. Looking at those it is not difficult to see that it is likely that the U.S. isn't telling all.


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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Why would the Iranians do this?

For the virgins. You keep assuming logic is involved here. It's not.

The things that motivate you and me are not the same things that motivate irrational religious fanatics.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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Quote:
Why would the Iranians do this?

For the virgins. You keep assuming logic is involved here. It's not.
The things that motivate you and me are not the same things that motivate irrational religious fanatics.


Right but you keep equating the government of Iran with a once-i'm-dead-I'll-have-virgins-and-punishment-won't-matter suicide bomber. What I'm saying is that Iran wouldn't do this. Maybe through proxies where they can't be directly linked and punished. But their official military would not send a death wish to the U.S. Navy.

C'mon man they are smarter than that.


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

Edited by SoY (01/08/08 03:31 PM)

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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But their official military would not send a death wish to the U.S. Navy.

The evidence is against you. Apparently there is video of military boats under Iran's flag doing exactly what the US is saying they did.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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Apparently. Where is it then?


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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In the works. You aren't paying very close attention to this thread.

CAIRO, Egypt — The U.S. military has video and audio recordings of Iranian boats that threatened to blow up U.S. Navy vessels in the Strait of Hormuz and plans to release them, the top Navy commander in the Mideast said Tuesday.

and

"There is video" of the incident, Cosgriff said. "We're using it as part of our assessment. That will be made available in due course, as well as the audio."

Here's Phred's link again: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321005,00.html


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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> Right but you keep equating the government of Iran with a

The government of Iran is not like governments that we are used to seeing. Iran's way of working is "fractured" where the various parts of the government do not know what the other parts are doing, nor do they share common goals or interests.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Seuss]
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Quote:
In the works. You aren't paying very close attention to this thread.


Actually I have been following this thread all day and I have not seen a video or heard recordings. People can say what is on them as much as they want, but it means shit until I see them.


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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