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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said:
The fact that the republican establishment might start a war to get elected or the insurgents starting a war because they WANT a war and they know a republican will give it to them.



Which candidates have made themselves out to be warhawks? McCain, Guiliani,
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I'll bet al Queda is keeping tabs on our elections as closely as we are.


Last time al queda attacked American soil, a Republican took office as President just a few months before.

Personally, I'm more frightened that Bush will exacerbate a national emergency and use it to stay in office after January 2009.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: YidakiMan]
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That would cause some serious rioting here in DC

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said:
That would cause some serious rioting here in DC


The girlfriend and I have already agreed, if there were any delay in the Swearing-In Ceremony of the President then we would be on a bus to DC by the end of the day.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: BrAiN]
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The other side:
Iran 'did not harass US warships'

An Iranian official has dismissed Washington's claims that IRGC speedboats harassed three US navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz.

The US vessels approached the Iranian boats in the Persian Gulf on Sunday, warning they were in the red zone, the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Press TV on Monday.

He added that the Iranians had asked the warships to identify themselves, as such radio communications are usual between vessels in the Persian Gulf.

Although the Pentagon claimed that US sailors were given orders to open fire on the Iranian boats, the official confirmed no hostile encounter took place.

MD/HGH/RA

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
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And a semi-amusing blog rant:


Welcome to the Grand Guignol.

The only question to be asked is, “Are the American people as stupid as they have shown themselves to be in recent times?” What have we here? Five little motorboats appear- or so we’ve been told- to have threatened 3 United States Navy warships. I’m waiting to hear about another related but under-reported event which involved a handful of Iranian schoolboys throwing rocks at a Navy submarine. This event seems to have resulted in the submarine coming within minutes of launching a Tomahawk missile at the boys. The ship’s commander, who remains anonymous as does everyone reporting on everything concerning all of these incidents, said that the crew of the submarine felt gravely threatened by the boys and that several of them had to receive onboard counseling.

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I’m going to state unequivocally that no Iranian motorboats threatened any U.S. Navy ships. It’s possible that the main shit stirrers in the Middle East (Israel), with the cooperation of the U.S. Navy, staged a kindergarten stunt in preparation for a coming false flag operation.

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How big of a moron do you have to be to believe that Iran, which just had a major PR boost from the NIE report, would harass Navy warships with small motor craft? When dealing with psychopathic lying sacks of shit always look for the point of the action.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Disco Cat]
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321005,00.html

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The U.S. military has video and audio recordings of Iranian boats that threatened to blow up U.S. Navy vessels in the Strait of Hormuz and plans to release them, the top Navy commander in the Mideast said Tuesday. President Bush described the confrontation as a "provocative act."

Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff disputed Iranian claims that the incident early Sunday was a routine encounter, saying Iran's "provocative" actions were "deadly serious" to the U.S. military.

"It was a dangerous situation," Bush told reporters at the White House. "They should not have done it, clear and simple. I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act."

The confrontation was an unusual flare-up of U.S.-Iranian tensions in the Persian Gulf as Bush begins his first visit to the Mideast. In the tour, Bush is to visit Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Arab allies, in part to coordinate in confronting Iran.


I guess we'll have to wait for the tapes to be released before we can draw any firm conclusions. If, however, the reports I've read are accurate, then the commander on the scene was derelict in his duty and should be relieved of command instantly, if not court-martialed.



Phred


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Phred]
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Maybe they were hoping they could pull some prisoner shit like what happened last winter.

Then they realized... oh crap... the Brits are pussies... yea mayyYyYYbe we shouldn't do that to the U.S.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Phred]
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Although the Pentagon claimed that US sailors were given orders to open fire on the Iranian boats, the official confirmed no hostile encounter took place.


So a possibility is that either a false-flag or real-flag-but-need-an-excuse-for-war operation was trying to be executed by the higher-ups, but the commander, having some common sense and reasoning abilities, assessed that the Iranian vessels were inconsequential and nonthreatening, and violated his superior's orders to create a conflict.  Kudos to the commander for being rational and adverting the much-wanted excuse to fuck up Iran. :thumbup:

That's just a possibility of course...


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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if so, i bet that commander donated to ron paul.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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the Iranian vessels were inconsequential and nonthreatening

How can you come to the conclusion that calling up on the radio and saying "you're about be blown up" immediately after dropping boxes in the water in the path of the ship equals 'nonthreatening'.

Is it only threatening AFTER the declared threat of violence has taken place?

WTF?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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I did not come to that conclusion, but obviously the commander did, or action would have been taken.

We don't even know if the boxes and transmissions exist. And like I said, given the beneficiary and loser of a U.S.-Iran exchange........ I highly doubt the event unfolded as the U.S. is reporting.


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

Edited by SoY (01/08/08 02:16 PM)

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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According to the reports, action was already in progress. The Iranians probably saw the Americans getting ready to respond and hightailed it back home.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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For all those taking Iran's side in this: Speculate about what Iran's goal was with doing this in the first place.

What exactly were they trying to accomplish? Do they think we're going to drop everything and pull out of that part of the world now that they scared us?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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We don't even know if the boxes and transmissions exist.

I'd wager that when the Fox report comes out, it will include audio and video of the incident and it will be substantially as the US has reported.

And like I said, given the beneficiary and loser of a U.S.-Iran exchange

This would make sense to me if there weren't suicide bombers in the world who clearly find death for their superstition more beneficial than life.

Read again the excerpt I linked earlier of an interview with one of these nutjob Muslims. You're assuming logic influences them. They're only influenced by their superstitions.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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You're assuming logic influences them. They're only influenced by their superstitions.


And your only capable of thinking in fatuous generalizations.

Even if audio comes out, we do not really know if it is the Iranian government. That is what we're told but that does not make it true.

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For all those taking Iran's side in this: Speculate about what Iran's goal was with doing this in the first place.

What exactly were they trying to accomplish?



That's my point. Logic supports the Iranians' account when you look at the beneficiaries and losers.


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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And your only capable of thinking in fatuous generalizations.

Did you read the excerpt I linked?

That's my point. Logic supports the Iranians' account when you look at the beneficiaries and losers.

Does logic support the act of a suicide bomber?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
According to the reports, action was already in progress. The Iranians probably saw the Americans getting ready to respond and hightailed it back home.


"Praise allah, peace be upon him, we pulled it off, Zahid. Now we know how close we can get with our bomb-boat (TM 10/12/2000) before the infidel fools react. We live to be future martyrs, lalalalalalalalala."


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: SoY]
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Even if audio comes out, we do not really know if it is the Iranian government.

Oh this is classic.

Bitch that we can't know what really happened because we weren't there and so give Iran the benefit of the doubt, but then if real evidence comes out showing Iran in the wrong, disavow that evidence.

You guys should do stand-up. :rofl2:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Even if audio comes out, we do not really know if it is the Iranian government.

Oh this is classic.

Bitch that we can't know what really happened because we weren't there and so give the Iran the benefit of the doubt, but then if real evidence comes out showing Iran in the wrong, disavow that evidence.

You guys should do stand-up. :rofl2:


Why?  They couldn't possibly be as good at it as they are at bend over.


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Re: Iranian Navy threatens U.S. ships [Re: Diploid]
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The Iranians probably saw the Americans getting ready to respond and hightailed it back home.
if the commanding officer had wanted them dead - it WOULD have happened.

What exactly were they trying to accomplish?
exactly this -> they established the point that they don't want us there. now the american people know.. fah sho.

i for one have never heard of heat seeking boxes.. even if they were full of explosives - we would have to have be pretty close to get harmed by them and 200 yards or w/e isnt that close.

again the message is, stay away america


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Disclaimer: Everything I say is a lie intended to make my e-reputation more prestigious.

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