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Taking back the swastika
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Wondering what people here think about a movement to bring back the swastika as an honorable symbol in Western culture.

Besides the cross, it offers an interesting and powerful design, simply and symmetrically.

The Nazi's use of the symbol has stereotypically been the tilted, right-facing black swatika on a white/red background.

Not being anti-semitic at all, but the Jewish community is often quick to attack the uses of the symbol and call being critical of Israel possibly anti-semitic.

Now obviously Jews, in general, have a much more powerful conception of the meaning of the swastika, whereas other groups would not be as offended and some even use it in their religion.

So is it inconsiderate to display the swastika, given that it is far removed from the Nazi symbol by using opposite orientation and different colors? Surely at first glance, the resemblance of the symbol to the Nazi one, would be a reminder to atrocities that we are very familiar with for some people and especially Jews. But anyone with half a brain and a knowledge of history would discern its use here to be benign.

So is it rude to bring these memories to people, even though it's not the intention? Or is it a noble and controversial use of free spreech?

Also, being super white doesn't help. What are the chances of someone reacting violently?

It's nearly impossible to find items adorned with the Swastika these days that don't either deal with racism or anti-racism.

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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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Is the symbol that important? I mean really... cant you just use another symbol? "Bringing it back" wreaks of unnecessary instigation.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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It's all over the place in India. In Japan and Korea it's only used in the opposite direction as the Nazi symbol but it's still all over temples and stuff. In India it's just like it was always our symbol. It is and always was a Buddhist symbol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: kake]
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Sure there are other great symbols: the peace symbol, the pentagram, the taijitsu, the sun cross, the omkar.

But, besides the cross, none are as easy to depict/draw. And they don't carry the meaning they do in Hinduism and Buddhism.

In a broader sense, it is because it represents the Past oppressing the Now, that it might hint of new thought and change. Or a reconnecting to the ancient past because of its great history.

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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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The christian cross used to be something a little nicer too but I sure as hell don't want that back after what they've done with it.

Besides, wouldn't this make the skinheads go ape shit?


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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I totally agree.  Let's take it back.  :thumbup:

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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: MOTH]
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yeah, why should anti semites own the symbol...didn't it mean peace?


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: VisionsToReality]
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thats weird, i had this idea 2 days ago also.

on further reflection i'm going to have to agree though, unneccassary instigation.

its not like its a circle or something i care about.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: truekimbo2]
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it'd be lovely to have it back and debase anything it meant to the nazi's.. like spitting in their face..
however i don't see it as something that will happen...

but hell, i'd certainly support such a thing if it came into effect.
i'd much rather it as a sign of honor than hatred.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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Quote:
the taijitsu

What's that?


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo2 said:
thats weird, i had this idea 2 days ago also.

on further reflection i'm going to have to agree though, unneccassary instigation.

its not like its a circle or something i care about.


unnecessary instigation, what a bullshit phrase for this topic.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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I'd like the same to happen with being a skinhead, there are people that are clueless that the Jamaicans started the whole skinhead groups in Britain with ska. This is why people need to turn off their TV, fucking networks would rather do a segment on neo-nazis than they would about the original skinheads.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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Swastikas don't have any negative connotations for me, unless it's the Nazi version- black with a white circle and red all around it. Looks seriously menacing. A version with dots around it, in a more benign colour, just looks like an ancient Hindu and Buddhist symbol, to me, though I know very little about the origins of the Swastika.

Don't let a group of angry, scared, violent little boys with big guns from the past ruin a holy symbol.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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Compass said:
the taijitsu, the sun cross, the omkar.



I don't think I'm familiar w/ any of these


I was thinking about this topic the other day as well. Really though most people just don't know anything about it and simply associate it w/ the nazis and it kind of sad.

I don't see it coming back as long as people still use it as a sign of hate and/or ignorant of it's roots like the postage stamp mustache. :nonono:


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: CosmicFool]
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Yeah... I see it a lot here in China.

Often on the windows of buildings, on a in the temples, etc.

I even saw one right beside a marijuana leaf in a temple. Took a picture, but I can't find it right now (because I'm too lazy to get the camera out).

It's actually backwards, though, I mean, the Nazi Swastika is the mirror image of the Buddhist one.

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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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in my eyes it is a beautiful symbol. if you are still bothered by residual nazi programming it helps to flip it so the top arm points left


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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Quote:
So is it rude to bring these memories to people, even though it's not the intention?


I would say it is insensitive.

Quote:
Or is it a noble and controversial use of free spreech?


No, it is not noble.


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: EllisDSox]
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I'm finding quite a large network of people for this cause online.

Read more about ManWoman, who covered his body with swastika tatoos (interview) -
http://dreamflesh.com/interviews/manwoman/

Website "Reclaim the Swastika" -
http://reclaimtheswastika.com/

A little article -
http://www.manwoman.net/article1.html

The Swastika Declaration of Independence (by the Friends of the Swastika) -
http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/fots3.html


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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Compass]
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You have to recognize that you can not take back this image for a long, long, long time. It can be taken back way after you're dead, dude. Seriously, forget it. I know it's a cool looking symbol but you're not going to reverse the meaning that it has for most people. Unless you become more famous than Hitler.








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Re: Taking back the swastika [Re: Learyfan] * 1
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Learyfan said:
You have to recognize that you can not take back this image for a long, long, long time. It can be taken back way after you're dead, dude. Seriously, forget it. I know it's a cool looking symbol but you're not going to reverse the meaning that it has for most people. Unless you become more famous than Hitler.



I will become more famous than Hitler, and I will bring back the Swastika.


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